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<brownxoat>
hey, I am an idiot trying to get abcl working on windows. can anyone help? I am getting "spawning child process: invalid argument" with this setq
<brownxoat>
|3b|: that works! thank you so much :)!
<brownxoat>
also are people on here switching to libera.chat?
* |3b|
notes that sbcl works reasonably well on windows too
<|3b|>
not sure if there is general agreement about moving yet (or to what channel if so), though looks like some people have moved
<brownxoat>
|3b|: the last I heard is that sbcl is missing threads or something on windows, which made me stay away from it. I just heard people backtalking sbcl on windows on the internet for the last few years, so I didn't even consider it.
<brownxoat>
not that I am smart enough to even write multi-threaded code
<|3b|>
it has threads, and i've been using sbcl/windows as my main dev setup for years with no particular problems
<brownxoat>
|3b|: then I am repeating nonsense
<|3b|>
it might not be 100% compared to linux, but it is good enough for general use
<|3b|>
(the test suite has some things that break on windows, but probably mostly not things you'd do too often in real code, like constantly running GC in one thread while constantly recompiling files in another, or whatever)
<|3b|>
i think ccl is lacking in available maintainer time lately :/
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<fiddlerwoaroof>
morning, beach!
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<phoe>
morning
<phoe>
|3b|: yes
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<jnewton>
Good morning everyone. Does anyone know a lot about RISC instructions in general?
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<jnewton>
I'm reading something which directly contradicts a fundamental principle of how RISC works. Maybe my understanding has been wrong all this time.
<|3b|>
has "RISC"/"CISC" has any meaning for the last few decades?
<|3b|>
(and/or any relevance to #lisp)
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<jdz>
Yesterday there was a discussion like this on #lisp@libera.chat
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<jnewton>
My question is if I load (write) data into a register, and in the next instruction I try to read from that register. will I (1) read the old value, or (2) will the processor automatically stall waiting for the data to be ready? I though (1) was the case and that that was considered a feature.
<jdz>
jnewton: There was an article how Apple's new CPU can have sane instruction stream decoding and speculative execution (because of constant instruction sizes), whereas x86 is screwed because it has to process too many false positives since it has to try instructions at every byte position.
<jdz>
jnewton: Stalls are usually associated with writes/reads to memory. And even then CPUs speculate.
<|3b|>
not sure it is even guaranteed to show you the old value on old mips (or anything else with load delay slot), might depend on cache hit, or might stall automatically and delay slot just gives you a chance to do something during the stall
<jnewton>
|3b|: thanks. gocha
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<White_Flame>
jnewton: "RISC" was a concrete architecture, with a bunch of interconnected tradeoffs. Talking about "RISC style" is as contentious as "What is a Lisp?"
<White_Flame>
and comparing it to LISP 1.5 or whatever
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<jcowan>
White_Flame: what concrete architecture do you have in mind?
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<White_Flame>
jcowan: Berkeley RISC I
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<dieggsy>
huh, i hadn't seen lisp-lang.org
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<green__>
I'm trying to get ironclad's sha256 hash to give them same output as sha256sum. Something is way off. When I ask ironclad to sha256 sum a file, I get the same output as sha256sum. But if I feed it a byte array that's the same as the file I get a different output. Google-searches suggest others have had this problem, but there's no pointer to resolution... Anybody else struggle with this?
<phoe>
the only possible problem I see is the implicit newline that unix text files have at the end
<phoe>
I account for that in my Lisp string, whereas a file on a unix filesystem created e.g. with nano or vim will usually have a newline at its very end
<green__>
OMFG.. vi!! I hate you! Should have used emacs. Verified that it is OK. Thanks!
<phoe>
hey
<phoe>
emacs does the same thing
<phoe>
:D
<green__>
I was able to create a 1 char file with emacs
<green__>
"A"
<green__>
my vi "A" file was 2 bytes
<phoe>
afaik it's a setting with emacs
<green__>
yes,.. I've set that
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<CL-ASHOK>
How to access the colors used in Emacs for CL syntax highlighting?
<phoe>
CL-ASHOK: afaik these are standard emacs faces
<phoe>
place your point over the face you want to edit, M-x customize-face RET RET
<CL-ASHOK>
phoe: Thanks, do you know how to see their rules?
<CL-ASHOK>
I am adjusting highlight-lisp.js to match Emacs better
<phoe>
I used to do that some time ago, but I don't remember anymore; #emacs might know better
<CL-ASHOK>
phoe: Thank you, that helped and is enough for me to figure it out
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<ebrasca>
Can I make a video out of images taken by a camera in CL?
<ebrasca>
Is there a library for it?
<jmercouris>
ebrasca: there is that one library by Xach
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<MacGyver22>
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<MacGyver22>
CONNECT TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT FOR ALL YOUR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY NEEDS
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<Cthulhux>
damn italians.
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<dieggsy>
hmm. I'm defining a generic in one package (with a default :method) and a couple methods in a different package that uses that one, but from the second package doesn't seem to know about the original's method
<nij>
Did you remember to refer the CLASS in the package FIRST in the package SECOND by FIRST:CLASS?
<phoe>
dieggsy: right, check if you are referring to the proper GF (via the proper symbol)
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<nij>
So.. in general I think you should do, for instance, (make-instance 'first:class) while living in other packages.
<phoe>
yes, that's a very good idea in general
<phoe>
and/or use package-local nicknames to shorten FIRST:CLASS into e.g. F:CLASS
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<dieggsy>
errrr hold up
<dieggsy>
i don't think the class name is the bottleneck, I'm not mentioning the CLASS in FIRST in SECOND at all
<nij>
How did you get access to an object defined in class that's defined in the first package then?
<dieggsy>
I'm dealing with classes that inherit from that one, but all these classes are themselves defines in a third package
<dieggsy>
phoe: it's gross and massive and probably not allowed. I'll keep poking at it though, i appreciate the suggestions
<nij>
Or maybe check out your (defclass..) form?
<phoe>
dieggsy: OK, then try the following
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<phoe>
go into the package where the class is defined and (describe 'foo) where FOO is the name of the class
<phoe>
then repeat the same in the package where you define the method
<dieggsy>
they seem to have the same output
<nij>
Say PERSON is the main class defined in the package THIRD, and CHILD is the subclass you want to define. Did you do (defclass child (THIRD:person) ()) instead of (defclass child (person) ())?
<dieggsy>
nij: no, it's defined as the latter
<nij>
Then it's not referring to the right 'PERSON :)
<dieggsy>
but let's assume i can't touch that part of the code
<nij>
then no.. CHILD isn't inheriting anything from THIRD:PERSON..
<dieggsy>
.....I'm thinking maybe if i didn't take care to export the generic definition properly this might happen?
<nij>
I think you have to import 'PERSON from the third package to the others then.. phoe help
<dieggsy>
nij: i mean, it could be, no? if the package CHILD is in uses or imports from THIRD
<dieggsy>
i think it :use s it though
<nij>
CHILD in my context isn't a package. It's a class..
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<dieggsy>
nij: i know, my wording wasn't the greatest but i meant "if the package that CHILD is in uses or imports from THIRD"
<dieggsy>
which it does
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<nij>
How did you define your second or first package? Can you share that part of code?
<nij>
Usually it starts with (defpackage..)
<dieggsy>
nij: something like (defpackage :second (:use :first :third) ...)
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<dieggsy>
aaaaaand it's magically working
<dieggsy>
.....I'm going to chalk it up to a hard PEBKAC there
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<dieggsy>
possibly i hadn't recompiled everything i needed to or wasn't exporting or something....
<dieggsy>
sorry for the noise then, but then again maybe I'll be back in 5 mins lol
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<nij>
Glad it works :D
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<dieggsy>
so wait, has this channel officially moved
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<Bike>
this channel is an anarcho syndicalist commune that does not make official announcements, but there is #commonlisp on irc.libera.chat
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