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<erider> ocaml is not a lazy language?
<Drup> erider: No
<erider> oh
<Drup> It's possible to have lazy computation, but you have to do it explicitly
<erider> ah ok
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<sgnb> can the ~/.opam/4.01.0/build can be safely removed?
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<companion_cube> no idea
<companion_cube> o/ btw
<Kakadu> sgnb: ~/.opam/4.01.0/build/* can be
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<sgnb> oh, opam itself is not packaged in opam...?
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<bernardofpc> Especially concerning the remark "The first alternative is empty because there are no symbols between the colon and the first |; this means that input can match an empty string of input (no tokens).", which implies that foo: | bar | baz is NOT the same as foo: bar | baz
<companion_cube> maybe you could look at the generated code, and diff it
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<bernardofpc> well, I rather prefer a stable definition than have "the standard is defined by the program"
<bernardofpc> but I'll try that tonight
<mfp> any OPAM admin/developer around? I can see Travis-CI skipping the packages introduced in my pull request as "not installable"
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<mfp> looking at .travis-ci.sh, I can't figure out how it would ever work, though, as it doesn't add a custom repos or apply the patch so that the new package appears on `opam list -s -a`
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<mfp> I guess it's hardcoded somewhere in travis' machinery to use the new HEAD?
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<mfp> hmm it does say > Synchronizing with /home/travis/build/ocaml/opam-repository
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<UltimateGOTO> Is there any reason why sequencing needs to be special syntax and ; can't just be an operator (that's how it was originally explained to me but it turned out false)
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<companion_cube> UltimateGOTO: evaluation order; I think
<companion_cube> a; b would first evaluate b then a
<companion_cube> if it was just an operator
<UltimateGOTO> companion_cube, evaluation order is from right to left?
<companion_cube> currently yes
<UltimateGOTO> Ahh, that figures I guess
<UltimateGOTO> What's the reason for making it right to left?
<def-lkb> AFAICT, evaluation order is left undefined in "specification", the implementation is free to choose the most suitable one. As of today its right to left.
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<def-lkb> This imply that you shouldn't rely on a specific evaluation order. And the reason for making it right to left is that the abstract machine ocaml is built upon is more efficient when using this order
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<UltimateGOTO> OCaml has a specification?
<UltimateGOTO> I thought it had just one implementation
<def-lkb> (after right to left evaluation order, arguments on the stack match the state expected by calling convention, leading to simpler and more efficient code)
<def-lkb> See the "scare" "quotes", there is at least partial specification, though not a formal one, but more informed sources could give you more details or prove me wrong :)
<def-lkb> UltimateGOTO: for the abstract machine design, see http://pauillac.inria.fr/~xleroy/publi/ZINC.ps.gz -- evaluation order is justified, see index; the current caml model is close to the design exposed in the paper
<Anarchos> def-lkb there is also a recently released paper from Krivine about his abstract machine
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<smondet> def-lkb: just to be complete, the operators && and || are special cases evaluated left to right (to do like C/C++/Java/...)
<def-lkb> yes, and evaluation can short circuited
<def-lkb> can be*
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<tnguyen> is there some lib (batteries etc) that implements list combination ? That is, a function to obtain a sublist of size n from list (equiv to python's itertools.combinations(iterable, r) )
<companion_cube> I'm not sure
<tnguyen> combinations, permutations etc seem to be used frequently enough that should be in some libraries
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<Anarchos> List.combine ?
<companion_cube> tnguyen: that's right, you should add a ticket on batteries
<tnguyen> List.combine is to combine 2 lists into 1 list
<tnguyen> not what I want
<companion_cube> tnguyen: is it really urgent?
<tnguyen> companion_cube: not really , I just thought it would be in some extended lib
<tnguyen> I found a usable implementation at http://ocaml.org/learn/tutorials/99problems.html
<companion_cube> well, you can add a ticket on batteries'github page
<companion_cube> it will be discussed
<tnguyen> by ticket you mean posting a new issue on batteries's git hub page ?
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<tnguyen> I need a github account to post
<companion_cube> yes
<companion_cube> (to both)
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<tnguyen> if you have a github account maybe you can add that request for me -- I really don't want to create additional online accounts
<companion_cube> I'll do
<companion_cube> for List or Array
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<tnguyen> I think for List is more common
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<erider> what is the type int->int
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<erider> is that a function that takes a int and returns a int?
<Thooms> erider: yes
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<erider> so types with -> are function types?
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<Drup> yes
<erider> ok
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<erider> are : only used in type declarations?
<adrien> labelled arguments too
<adrien> at least
* erider is new!!
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