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<struktured> I'm trying to use js_of_ocaml module, but I always get a "Unimplemented Javascript primitive caml_json!" when I run my executable. From utop I get a similar error when I do #require "js_of_ocaml". Anyone know what module dependency I'm missing?
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<adrien> morning
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<erider> morning
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<wwilly> salut
<adrien> morning
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<erider> bom dia
<gasche> companion_cube: it looks like the great opam-repo people are enjoying a day off
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<flux> btw, was there some effort to make opam work for windows?
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<adrien> I believe it's completely useless to try to do so, at least currently
<adrien> before "opam" there's a load of other things to do
<adrien> but when I think "windows" for ocaml, I think of native windows, not posix layers (msys*/cygwin)
<adrien> (because besides the mostly unneeded bash dependency, ocamlbuild, oasis and probably others work just fine on native windows)
<Redhasafn> It always amuses and puzzles me that so much stuff only works on a family of OS'es which has like 1% of the market share.
<Redhasafn> Numbers may be inaccurate.
<adrien> Redhasafn: ocaml *WORKS* on windows
<erider> is there a bot here
<adrien> and windows is a first-class target
<adrien> erider: yes but it's not interactive
<adrien> (it handles the logs afaik)
<adrien> (at least I htink it's a bot)
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<erider> ah ok
<Redhasafn> Well, opam apparently doesn; t work on windows I gather.
<adrien> I don't think anyone knows
<adrien> I also believe it works under one of the posix layers, which should alleviate most issues
<smondet> hi, anyone knows whether the runtime-types presented last october are in trunk?
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<gasche> the reason OPAM status on Windows is unclear is because no one that cares about OPAM uses windows
<gasche> if the 99% of the market share want OPAM, they just have to send pull requests
<adrien> smondet: they're not
<Redhasafn> That's the part that interests me, how such a small world can be all I hear about, the environmental bias and stuff.
<adrien> also, re opam, I wasn't clear: I don't think it's useless to try to get opam nice and everything on windows; I believe saying that is the wrong target
<adrien> s/target/goal/
<adrien> there are other things to think about first
<adrien> (imho)
<smondet> adrien: thanks, do you know why? or if there is an opam switch?
<gasche> smondet: if you are referring to Pierre Chambart and Benjamin Grégoire's work, it's not ready
<gasche> argh
<gasche> Grégoire Henry
<adrien> smondet: last thing I've learnt is because everything wasn't working yet but then hnrgrgr (who does the work) told me there was a way to solve it; I don't know the current status and what might currently be blocking
<gasche> I think him+Jacques and Alain are not in agreement about fine points of the static semantics in presence of abstraction
<gasche> it's going at the research pace, that is slowly
<smondet> ok, thanks for the update
<gasche> (also the implicit-values stuff which I am excited about is in the status that we're not sure it's not better to just add type-classes)
<gasche> (but this isn't their priority)
<adrien> don't say these words!
<adrien> you're going to wake up companion_cube
<gasche> smondet: if you are interested in playing with runtime types, you should definitely ask hnrgrgr whether he could make an opam switch available
<gasche> I think he had a working patch on the compiler at some point, but he may have changed semantic since then and not have anything easily showable; but if he has, I'm sure he wouldn't mind feedback
<companion_cube> ?
<adrien> no, nothing :P
<adrien> I've tried ocaml-ty from its git repo from last may
<smondet> ah interesting
<companion_cube> would some people be unhappy if ocaml had typeclasses ?
<gasche> companion_cube: thomasga just merged the new version in OPAM
<companion_cube> yes, I saw the mail
<adrien> I used the testsuite as reference and there were only a couple things not completely up-to-date in it
<companion_cube> (github mail)
<gasche> I haven't written the announce mail yet
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<Drup> companion_cube: if you had done enough haskell, you would know typeclasses are no the holly grail :p
<companion_cube> Drup: nah, but they would nicely complement modules ;)
<Drup> I don't know how much of a mess the typechecking would be with typeclasses + modules/functors, though.
<erider> is toplevellib in the standard build of ocaml
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<companion_cube> Drup: I suppose it would be "cleaner" with implicits?
<adrien> Drup: and polymorphic variants and objects; maybe that could beat C++'s error messages
<companion_cube> (with the advantage that you can overload the typeclass' default choice)
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<smondet> adrien: is it this one: https://gitorious.org/ocaml-ty/pages/Home ?
<adrien> yup
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<gasche> companion_cube: I see that (edit_distance : t -> t -> int) is in 2.2.0
<gasche> that's one of the function I'd put in Incubator :-'
<companion_cube> aww
<Redhasafn> Screw typeclasses, type hierarchy is the way to go.
<Redhasafn> dependent type hierarchy.
<Redhasafn> Give it all babhy
<Drup> x)
<Redhasafn> Type branching a s well.
<adrien> smondet: I've used the testsuite as a guide but
<Redhasafn> head (x : 'a list) should be a compile time error.
<adrien> smondet: but there was a change that wasn't propagated to the testsuite
<adrien> smondet: see 08653e0bf682e70e989d5e55cdbc74885113f1c0
<adrien> smondet: start from the end of the diff:
<adrien> - name (print ty) (field_get v)
<adrien> + name (print ty) (field_get fd v)
<adrien> that's what you'll have to keep in mind while following the testsuite, and good luck :P
* adrien goes fetch his sarrasin
<companion_cube> gasche: would you have waited to have a cutoff argument implemented?
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<smondet> thanks adrien & gashe
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<gasche> companion_cube: that may affect the interface, yes
<gasche> but now we'll do a separate function
<gasche> which was an option
<companion_cube> gasche: I think that was your intent
<companion_cube> I thought*
<gasche> I'm not complaining
<companion_cube> or an optional parameter? wouldn't it be compatible?
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<gasche> People of the Chan, feel free to give feedback on the soon-to-be-sent announce mail for Batteries 2.2.0:
<gasche> (sorry for the painful-to-read color alternation)
<companion_cube> olol @ statistics :)
<thizanne> gasche: are/is Batteries supposed to be singular or plural ?
<thizanne> I read "Batteries is..." and then "Batteries follow..."
<gasche> I will fix this, thanks
<gasche> companion_cube: current OPAM packages do not have bounds on the OCaml version
<gasche> I wanted to point out the lowest version we support, but it's not written
<gasche> it would be good to make this explicit in the future
<companion_cube> I don't know either
<companion_cube> travis indicates it passes down to 3.12
<companion_cube> but no idea about 3.11
<gasche> ok
<companion_cube> (which is very old anyway)
<gasche> I was just checking that, thanks
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<adrien> gasche: framapad is nice too :)
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<avsm> has anyone tried this LightTable thing?
<companion_cube> friends of mine, for clojure-scripts or other weird things
<companion_cube> \o avsm
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<avsm> there's some ocaml plugins now. just curious
<adrien> gasche: I don't understand that "statiscally less helpful" thing
<companion_cube> it's an incentive for people whose name is near the end of the alphabet, to contribute
<adrien> it sounds quite aggressive
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<gasche> thanks adrien, I removed that part
<gasche> I just sent the mail
<gasche> back to my paper, I guess
<gasche> (someone should update the forge webpage, but that's for another day I guess)
<adrien> gasche: I was going to tel you to say what was the bugfix :P
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<gasche> adrien: too late
<gasche> hm
<companion_cube> gasche: pv
<gasche> did you receive the mail?
<adrien> I did
<companion_cube> me to
<companion_cube> +o
<gasche> yeah, it's in the archives
<adrien> took only a few seconds
<adrien> that mail stuff is incredible, way better than our minitel
<companion_cube> ^^
<companion_cube> wait, you have electricity in france?
<adrien> I built my own dam at home: I carry water at the top of a hill and then let it flow
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<adrien> another energy provider is the tour de france
<companion_cube> just wait a few hundred years and we might get coal
<adrien> afaiu, 400W is what is acknowledged to be the human limit (and some go above it)
<adrien> coal would be really awesome
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<erider> does ocamlsdl work in ocaml 4.01.0
<erider> better question is anyone using ocamlsdl for the latest ocaml
<companion_cube> I don't, sory
<companion_cube> +r
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<oriba> I want to only have a http-HEAD-request with libcurl-ocaml. How can I do that?
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<jdoles> oriba: why would you use undocumented code?
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<oriba> jdoles, what?
<jdoles> oriba: if you look at the Curl website, it states that the ocaml bindings are not documented.
<oriba> well, yes, they are not very well documented
<jdoles> oriba: right, so why would you want to use ocaml for that then?
<oriba> It's not sdo easy to follow it, yes
<jdoles> oriba: all it will do is make your project take more time and have more costs.
<oriba> but lib-curl itself, even it has much docs, is IMHO bad documented (the webpages is not very well done)
<jdoles> oriba: so, then don't use curl.
<oriba> I would use ocamlnet possibly.
<oriba> Do you know how to solve that problem in ocamlnet?
<jdoles> oriba: why not just use that?
<oriba> (I have curl running in one of my tools, so I thought I could just add some lines of code)
<oriba> jdoles, Didn't knew that
<jdoles> oriba: neither did I.
<oriba> so, how can you recommend it?
<jdoles> oriba: but really, if something is badly documented, just abandon it.
<jdoles> oriba: avsm doesn't create complete crap.
<oriba> https://github.com/avsm/ocaml-cohttp is a http-server
<jdoles> oriba: the code is easy to read.
<oriba> I need client
<jdoles> oriba: that also has a client.
<jdoles> oriba: module Client kind of gives it away.
<oriba> where?
<jdoles> oriba: (** Send an HTTP HEAD request *)
<jdoles> oriba: anyway, I am not here for the handholding and arguing.
<oriba> and for what are you here?
<jdoles> oriba: to add you to my ignore list.
<jdoles> oriba: which has now been done.
<companion_cube> :/
<oriba> omg
<oriba> what an idiot
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<companion_cube> oriba: don't forget he helped you...
<oriba> yes.
<oriba> but not friendly
<oriba> the helping was a side effect
<oriba> I was in the ignore list before I could theank for the help.
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<oriba> he is not here "for the handholding and arguing".... but talking this way it is very unfriendly
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<companion_cube> anyway, you should move on, don't waste time on anger on the internet, imho
<oriba> yes, you are right companion_cube
<companion_cube> :)
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<adrien> hmm?
<adrien> also it's often useless to document bindings which API tracks the original library
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<mrvn> I have a list of strings. Some with " " at the end, then some without followed by some with again. Who can come up with the nicest way to split that into 3 lists?
<adrien> List.fold_left? the argument should be easy to write
<adrien> use an accumulator which is a triplet
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<companion_cube> or a variant
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<def-lkb> mrvn: http://pastebin.com/Xz3hB1VY without checking
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<def-lkb> (should be (notf pred))
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<mrvn> companion_cube: Batteries? cheater :)
<gasche> open Batteries; match List.group_consecutive (fun s -> String.end_with s " ") with [a;b;c] -> ... | _ -> sensible error
<mrvn> gasche: noce
<mrvn> nice
<companion_cube> aww
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<adrien> :)
<companion_cube> I'm happy I didn't paste directly my first version using Enum
<gasche> in fact group_consecutive has a slightly different interface, so it has to be a tad longer
<companion_cube> gasche: PR incoming ^^
<companion_cube> (well, ticket comment)
<companion_cube> would a BatTrie be useful, btw?
<mrvn> Can the regexp library match a string 'Name: x1, x2, ... and x3' and return me a list of the xes?
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<companion_cube> doesn't sound easy...
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<gasche> mrvn: split on commas, then trim and remove "and" from the last
<mrvn> gasche: sure. but that is boring :)
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<mrvn> well, I need a list_of_words_of_string function anyway.
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<companion_cube> String.nsplit?
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<erider> does any have any suggestions on build systems for newbies ie: omake vs ocamlmake vs gnu make vs ocamlbuild
<def-lkb> if you are compilling regular ocaml code (you don't need a lot of customisations), I would recommend ocamlbuild
<companion_cube> +1, it's quite simple for simple projects
<adrien> omake is not trivial
<erider> it can handle many source files in different directories right?
<companion_cube> erider: ocamlbuild can, yes
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<companion_cube> you just need a few "include" directives
<erider> ok neat so no on ocamlmakefile
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<rgrinberg> i'll recommend ocamlbuild as well it's probably the only ocaml build system where you can build your project with 1 command
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<Drup> (I would recomend oasis, become you don't have to deal with _tags files :p)
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<orion> Hi. Does OCaml support asynchronous timers?
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