<Drup>
but I think it's a bit hard coded using the deriving stuff
<Drup>
and the output format is not really nice, it's more like a json version of marshalling that you can use with the json parser included in javascript
<rgrinberg>
the copyright says martin jambon and gregoire henry, maybe it's been imported from some other package? or were they contributors
<Drup>
they are contributors
<rgrinberg>
didn't see them as committers for the file
<rgrinberg>
forgot that you guys switched to github ^_^
<Drup>
from darcs, yes
<rgrinberg>
yeah I guess I might add deriving_json as well although i'm not sure how general purpose it is
<Drup>
it's not really :p
<Drup>
(afaict)
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<covi>
Is (@) an ordinary function?
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<zRecursive>
covi: (@) : 'a list -> 'a list -> 'a list = <fun>
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<sagotch>
Ola todos, any bisect user today?
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<gasche>
sagotch: what is your question?
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<sagotch_>
Cannot succeed to compile. Let me post a Makefile
<gasche>
the workflow of bisect is that you preprocess your program with "camlp4o `ocamlfind query bisect`/bisect_pp.cmo", and running the preprocessed program will generate coverage results on the side
<gasche>
I will be very asynchronous today, so may not be able to help you much more
<sagotch_>
(if I do not pass the -I _build option, it will complain about missing tests/basic_tests.cmp missing
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<rks`>
struktured: open an issue (iirc the deriving syntax is bot supported in merlin)
<lapinou>
if anyone feels like doing it, I've improved things in win-builds for linux hosts and could do with some testing
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<adrien>
also the manual needs a mention on from when Printexc.get_raw_backtrace is available
<adrien>
(and print_raw_backtrace)
<adrien>
can I bribe someone to have that updated?
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<sagotch_>
(and with -verbose) : Processing file 'src/lexer.ml'... ... file has 33 points *** system error: src/lexer.ml: No such file or directory
<sagotch_>
src/lexer.ml has 33 points but there is no such file (one more time, there actually is)... well...
<adrien>
hmm, few more things to fix in the new win-builds script :P
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<Kakadu>
sagotch_: can you try to execute bisect-report from _build directory?
<sagotch_>
seems to work, I have to check result
<sagotch_>
yes THANK YOU, it works
<sagotch_>
but it is strange... could it be a bug?
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<Kakadu>
I guess when you set path using -I it is not set well enough
<Kakadu>
I could be a bug
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<sagotch_>
I have to put a `cd _build` instruction in my Makefile, but it works, so thank you again for your help
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<companion_cube>
\o
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<Kakadu>
o/
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<sagotch_>
bisect-report result is weird (and vary if i run the code coverage test 1 or 2 times). Tests in a suit (using OUnit2) are red-colored, whereas it is actually ran (OUnit says 11/11 tests OK, and if I run the coverage twice, some red-colored code becomes green)
<sagotch_>
is OUnit2 running multiple threads? Is it supposed to be a known issue with bisect?
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<companion_cube>
it's not running multiple threads afaik
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<sagotch_>
Since OUnit2 it is possible to run using different cores, but I do not know if it is the default behavior, nor how to turn it off is so (yet)
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<companion_cube>
oh, is it? my bad then
<sagotch_>
Okay, running test with the old OUnit API (v 1.???) gives me a 100% code coverage, so the problem was indeed multi core/thread test running.
<sagotch_>
(cannot find out how to use the old sequential test runner instead of the new one with OUnit2).
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<gasche>
sagotch_: it may be possible to make Bisect re-entrant to avoid your issue
<gasche>
10:09 < adrien> can I bribe someone to have that updated?
<gasche>
get*backtrace are available when backtraces are available :-'
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<gasche>
(documentation accepts patches too)
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<sagotch_>
I don't know. Bisect manual says few words about thread-safety and safe/fast/faster mode. But there is no example setting a specific mode, as there is too few explanation/example on how to use bisect with ocamlbuid (and without myocamlbuild.ml)
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<gasche>
sagotch_: why not use a myocamlbuild.ml if you want to use ocamlbuild?
<sagotch_>
I used to write complete rules for makefile, but I was lazy this time and tried ocamlbuild. I have no idea how to use a myocamlbuild.ml file, and you are not supposed to **have to** use it, do you?
<gasche>
yes you are, if you want to define new tags or rules
<sagotch_>
Hum... I should have a closer look to myocamlbuid.ml
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<lapinoww_>
gasche: no time for patches right now; presenting at fosdem next sunday :P
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<ggole>
The common practice of calling the "primary" type in a module t, e.g. Foo.t, seems to have a precursor in Modula-3. Is that where it came from? Is there an earlier antecedent?
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<pippijn>
in C, people like to (although posix says you shouldn't) call their type names foo_t
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<ggole>
That's a bit different though: that's just short for _typedef
<ggole>
It *is* very lexically similar, true
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<gasche>
rks`: could you talk a bit about what went on in this "refactor" branch that you cite in a pull request?
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<gasche>
something like a blog post for example?
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<gasche>
(if you gh-pages something, I'll happily reddit it)
<rks`>
gasche: sure, as I said the other day
<rks`>
def-lkb has a partial blog post about that
<rks`>
we'll put it online as soon as it is finished :)(
<rks`>
-(
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<def-lkb>
gasche: I want my ocamllex :)
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<gasche>
I'm currently grading master projects, and it's a *lot* of work
<gasche>
but yeah
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* lapinoww
hands gasche a stair
<gasche>
I think you need several stairs to produce a non-obvious grading :-'
<lapinoww>
boolean: 0 or 20!
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* companion_cube
gives gasche the path to an elevator
<companion_cube>
should be more efficient than stairs
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<lapinoww>
happy 200th connectee \o/
<lapinoww>
(in a few seconds, a leave)
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<kaustuv>
When is 4.01.1 scheduled for release?
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<Drup>
Is it a trick question ? :D
<Drup>
ocaml releases are on some sort of "when we have enough stuff" basis
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<kaustuv>
OK, so when are you scheduled to have enough stuff?
<Drup>
no idea
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<Drup>
kaustuv: are you looking for something specific ?
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<Drup>
I disagree quite strongly with type/4.
<Drup>
I agree with most of the rest :)
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<Drup>
it's not the first time I have seen this list
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<Drup>
there is somewhere an article "why ocaml sucks" which is mostly the same, the conclusion is just different
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<companion_cube>
well those propositions are intereesting, but I fear that most just won't happen
<ggole>
He doesn't seem to understand some of the syntax he is complaining about
<ggole>
For instance :: is a ordinary *constructor* (apart from how it parses).
<companion_cube>
well maybe constructors should also be operators
<companion_cube>
it's a pain to write (fun x l -> x :: l), honestly
<companion_cube>
(same for user-defined variants)
<nicoo>
companion_cube: It used to be, in Caml Light
<ggole>
It's rarely needed. It would be ok to just provide named functions for the few cases you actually want, like that one.
<ggole>
(It would be nice if there was a Pervasives.cons.)
<companion_cube>
I don't agree it's rarely needed
<companion_cube>
Some, for instance, would make a very useful function
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<ggole>
I seem to remember Appel arguing that it should not have been in ML
<companion_cube>
why not? what are the drawbacks?
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<ggole>
I have the paper I think it was in, let me see if I can find it
<companion_cube>
(well that would be better if constructors were curried, but still)
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<ggole>
Can't find it. :/
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<companion_cube>
also, record fields should have associated functions (hence "fieldlib" on opam, I think)
<ggole>
Can't agree, I don't want opening a module to shadow even more than it does.
<companion_cube>
well, don't open modules
<companion_cube>
that's the safest
<companion_cube>
I think opening modules should trigger a warning unless open! is used :)
<companion_cube>
but some people seem to like it
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<nicoo>
companion_cube: record fields shoud have associated lenses
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<companion_cube>
arf
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<erider>
adrien: thanks for the help I finally got it to compile
<adrien>
nice :)
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<seliopou>
anybody have experiencing speeding up travis-ci builds for ocaml projects?
<erider>
btw what is an cmx file
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<seliopou>
in particular, building core an async is like a 20 minute ordeal in and of itself
<adrien>
have you managed to get everything as a patch? I'm really curious about the changes you had to make
<seliopou>
any ideas?
<adrien>
a .cmx file is one of the output of native compilation
<adrien>
basically: .ml through ocamlopt gives .cmx and .o
<adrien>
.o has the raw object code; .cmx has a few other informations
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<erider>
adrien: so the main issue was that I didn't have the correct environment for the build system so I had to add some symlinks to fix things
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<adrien>
:o
<adrien>
like what?
<erider>
once I study to .mk files I was able to figure out how they where looking for the deps
<erider>
so my environment I use opam which makes an alternative location for the libs. so they are not in a standard location that a build system is looking for. normally they are looking in /usr/lib/ocaml but opam doesn't have the modules there but ocamlfind can find the location without any issues but a normal ocamlc or ocamlopt can not
<erider>
so I symlink to /usr/lib/ocaml and that made things happy :-) I wish I would have done that from the beginning :-(
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<adrien>
ahhh
<erider>
I was very close to moving on to allegro ;-)
<adrien>
the dark ages of ocaml: before ocamlfind use was widespread
<adrien>
(and before we were free to threaten people who didn't support ocamlfind)
<erider>
it was frustrating because I am very new to ocaml and I want to use ocaml
<Drup>
erider: what are you using sdl for, by curiosity ?
<adrien>
yeah =/
<erider>
sdl
<adrien>
but as you can see: use ocamlfind/findlib to locate ocaml libs :)
<Drup>
erider: well, you are building something :)
<erider>
yes I was but its built now \o/
<erider>
yes ocamlfind is very cool!
<Drup>
what are you doing with sdl, that's my question =)
<adrien>
definitely!
<erider>
I want to use MLGAME lib
<Drup>
hum, didn't know that
<erider>
the system look very complete for what I want it for
<Drup>
it's a bit all in one
<Drup>
I would not use it, but why not
<avsm>
seliopou: you could just pickle up an opam build of async and stash it on S3, which Travis can download
<erider>
Drup: I am new to ocaml and I want to learn it with a project interesting to me
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<Drup>
erider: I cant argue with that :)
<Drup>
erider: just saying that you could probably find a combination of library that would do a better job than mlgame, that's all ;)
<erider>
were you having some issues with sdl
<Drup>
not with sdl, no
<erider>
yes I was going to turn to allegro the ocaml binding looked straight forward
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<Drup>
there is an alegro binding, but I thing it's quit old, not sure if it's working