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<ruzu> what kind of perf hit does one take from js_of_ocaml? if you're say wanting to make a 3d webgl application
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<philtor> ruzu: not sure if there would be a perf hit.
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<Drup> ruzu2: compare to what ?
<Drup> handwritten js ? I would say none
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<whitequark> oooo, Alain has merged all my patches
<whitequark> he also broke all my released code, it seems
<dmbaturin> Which patches?
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<Drup> :)
<whitequark> actually, not just my code, *all* ppx code in existence
<Drup> gloups.
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<whitequark> companion_cube: dude
<whitequark> containers are awesome
<Drup> (I keep bashing him to advertise his stuff more)
<companion_cube> :p
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<whitequark> Drup: merge https://github.com/ocsigen/lwt/pull/73 already
<Drup> whitequark: oh yes, I wonder yesterday while writing the doc if that was handle
<Drup> and forgot to ask you
<Drup> guess that answers the question
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<whitequark> grr, utop is broken too
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<whitequark> although I have commit bit. so that is easily fixed.
<nojb`> how do I specify a certain opam switch as a dependency in my `opam' file ?
<Drup> whitequark: can't you use "[%expr ? exception _ ]" to match ?
<Drup> nojb`: you can't, but you can specify an ocaml version
<whitequark> Drup: ooooh right
<whitequark> let me fix that
<whitequark> [%pat? exception _], but yes
<Drup> :)
<nojb`> Drup: ok, thanks
<Drup> also, you have several "fun foo -> match foo with ..."
<Drup> (which you can sumarize by function)
<whitequark> updated
<Drup> are you sure your "exhaustive" is correct ?
<whitequark> pretty sure. what about it?
<Drup> "| _ ->" doesn't catch exception, afaik
<whitequark> it doesn't
<whitequark> try_bind does
<whitequark> oh, wait
<Drup> "[%pat? _]"
<whitequark> yep, that's an error
<Drup> right
<whitequark> updated
<Drup> huh O_o
<whitequark> argh
<Drup> "{ pc_lhs = [%pat? exception [%p? _]]}" this is wrong too
<whitequark> *now* it should be ok
<Drup> this isn't going to catch "exception x -> ...", isn't it ?
<whitequark> okay, why did I listen to you in the first place? should've kept record matching
<Drup> ahah xD
<Drup> well, for the other match, the new version is better :D
<whitequark> fixed
<Drup> right :D
<Drup> travis is happy, merging !
<Drup> jenkins*
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<ia0> Is there a function 'string -> string' taking a filename and returning its content? If no, how would you write it?
<whitequark> there isn't
<Drup> ia0: open a channel, create a buffer, put everything in the buffer, close the channel, extract the content of the buffer
<whitequark> let read_in filename = let chan = open_in filename in let content = really_input_string chan (in_channel_length chan); close_in chan; content
<ia0> ok thanks, I'll take a look at really_input_string
<Drup> really_input_string ?
<Drup> is that new ?
<whitequark> I think it's been around for a while
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<Drup> really_input, yes
<Drup> but it's not the same signature that you are using
<Drup> seems to be new in 4.02
<Drup> indeed, definitely new in 4.02.
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<pippijn> companion_cube: at some point we should exchange pgp keys
<companion_cube> hmmm, right
<pippijn> just read your ANN
<pippijn> and noticed that you had signed it
<companion_cube> ia0: with the next release of sequence, that would be: Sequence.IO.chunks_of ~size:4096 "somef_file" |> Sequence.concat_str;;
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<jpdeplaix> companion_cube: (--) in CCList is perfect ! :)
<Drup> isn't that in BatList already ?
<Drup> oh no, only BatEnum
<Drup> meeh
<jpdeplaix> oh right « Since 2.2.0 »
* companion_cube should find some infix version of CCList.range' (excludes right bound)
<Drup> There are various range operators in BatEnum
<Drup> I think --- is the one with right bound excluded
<companion_cube> the point is that (--) works both for decreasing and increasing ranges, so it will never be empty
<companion_cube> (in my version)
<ygrek> ia0, Std.input_file in extlib and I believe batteries
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<ebzzry> How can I catch a `Sys_error: "foo.txt" Permission denied' exception using `try'?
<Drup> try ... with Sys_error m -> ..."
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<ebzzry> Drup: I did that with http://pastebin.com/sBmCSZUx. Presuming "ro.txt" is a read-only file, when I `copy_file "foo.txt" "ro.txt"' I get "Exception: Sys_error "ro.txt: Permission denied", instead of "error". Why?
<Drup> I suppose it's because the exception is raised by open_out, which is not inside the try .. with
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<ebzzry> Drup: Ah, ya. When I moved the calls to `open_in' and `open_out' to the scope of try/with, it worked. However, how can I close `ic' and `oc' with it?
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<Drup> I think you will need separate handlers to close everything properly
<adrien_oww> yeah, no finally
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<companion_cube> you can write a "finally" function
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<ebzzry> How can/should I do that?
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<dmbaturin> http://bpaste.net/show/NFJypHWBF2t281rpW4Y8/ Which is the recommended way to format long let/in constructs?
<Drup> 1) don't indent after "in"
<Drup> never.
<dmbaturin> The third way is there just for completeness, it looks awful indeed.
<Drup> do the third way without indenting
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<Drup> what I do is that, if it fits in one line, I put the "in" at the end of the line, if it doesn't, I put the "in" alone in the next line
<Drup> tes
<Drup> yes*
<companion_cube> ebzzry: let finally ~handler f = try let x = f () in handler(); x with e -> handler(); raise e
<dmbaturin> Drup: That looks good I think, thanks!
<ebzzry> companion_cube: let me try that.
<ebzzry> companion_cube: Is this documented somewhere?
<companion_cube> no, it's just an easy thing to do
<companion_cube> I tend to write specialized versions of it
<companion_cube> like: with_in_file : string -> (in_channel -> 'a) -> 'a
<companion_cube> opens the file, apply function, close the file, returns result
<companion_cube> if the function raises, close the file and re-raise
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<dmbaturin> Is there a way to see how exactly the compiler did type inference?
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<ggole> -dtypedtree might be helpful
<ggole> (But probably not.)
<Drup> dmbaturin: what do you want to see exactly ?
<dmbaturin> Drup: Well, trace what are the types of individual expressions and how the type of the whole thing was inferred from them.
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<bernardo1pc> https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/commit/483d773c44d2171988cae70effafd7a6d44711c7 -> gasche: is it normal that "thread" appears twice here ?
<ggole> Er, not typetree, -annot
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<bernardo1pc> https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/commit/b7dd6d2c91df5eefdbd41981c18655f198ff7c4d -> I find it awkward that in the .mli of mapi, the description is "f takes a char and its index" whereas f : int -> char -> char
<jpdeplaix> bernardo1pc: gasche is not here
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<bernardo1pc> oh bang
<ebzzry> companion_cube: ok.
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<nojb> where do I find nat.js ? I tried [js_of_ocaml +nat.js ...] and js_of_ocaml complained that it could not find nat.js .
<Drup> you probably mean num
<nojb> let me check
<nojb> no, it also cannot find num.js
<nojb> is it supposed to be installed separately ?
<Drup> no it's not
<Drup> but something about those libraries was changed recently, but can't remember how
<Drup> does it complains if you don't put +nat.js at all ?
<nojb> yeah, it says that certain primitives that have _nat_ in the name could not be found
<Drup> right
<Drup> I don't remember how to do it with older js_of_ocaml, but if you use dev version, you shouldn't need to add anything
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<nojb> Great - I will try that . Thanks !
<Drup> try "+js_of_ocaml/nat.js" instead
<nojb> No, that does not work either ...
<Drup> you did put -I before, didn't you ?
<nojb> Ahh .. No, I did not - but it does not seem to matter . If I put it, then it does not complain that it does not exist, but it still reports that the symbols involving _nat_ are not present
<nojb> *it does not complain that nat.js does not exist*
<Drup> meh
<Drup> jpdeplaix: do you know ?
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<nojb> Drup: it works with the github version, thanks. I still had to write +nat.js to make it work.
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<dmbaturin> Writing in barely familiar language is fun: you can get carried away by trying to implement something and spend an hour before you realize the algorithm was flawed. :)
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<Drup> dmbaturin: but if it typecheckes, it workes !
<Drup> works*
<Drup> ;)
<dmbaturin> Drup: s/works/compiles/ :)
<Drup> no no, works :p
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<dmbaturin> I agree that this kind of typechecking prevents most, if not all, accidental coding errors though.
<Drup> (It's only an humorous static typing proverb :p)
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<dmbaturin> Ada typechecking is very hard to accidentally violate as well.
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<papna> dmbaturin: What are 'accidental coding errors'?
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<jerith> I try to avoid deliberate coding errors. ;-)
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<ggole> Deliberate errors can be useful in some circumstances. To figure out if a test suite covers a certain class of error, for instance.
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<scriptdevil> Is there a reason why the order of labelled arguments must be retained in higher-order functions?
<dmbaturin> papna: if(a = 0) { ... }
<papna> dmbaturin: Ah, it's that one thing. Not really a hard one to avoid any number of ways
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<dmbaturin> What I don't like about python is that many errors are hidden until you run it (not too hard to avoid, but still).
<Drup> scriptdevil: the only reason is that the typechecker is not clever enough to figure it out
<papna> dmbaturin: I agree that a good static type system has the opportunity to help you write non-buggy code; I find it more than a little ridiculous to think 'this kind of typechecking prevents most, if not all, accidental coding errors'
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<companion_cube> dmbaturin: you might also be interested in merlin, to obtain the types of expressions in your editor
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<dmbaturin> companion_cube: Yeah, I should try that.
<def`> dmbaturin: by the way, I added annotation of tail positions / tail calls in latest merlin git (not official release)
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<nlucaroni> What is the current status on mirageOS on Docker?
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<smondet> nlucaroni: not sure what you mean, but just to let you know that there is a #mirage (quite active but sometimes used by Cambridge people to meetup for lunch and so on :) )
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<arjunguha> does anyone know how to coax ocamlbuild/oasis to pass an extra flag to the compiler? Can I do this without hacking the myocamlbuild.ml that oasis produces?
<whitequark> arjunguha: you can do this: https://github.com/whitequark/ocaml-lz4/blob/master/_tags
<whitequark> to coexist with oasis
<arjunguha> thanks, this helps a bit. unfortunately have to run, i'll ask more questions later
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