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<johnf> next camlp4 question I'm trying to build a quotation for an option type so, 'let z = Some 3' then 'let b _loc = <:expr< $?:z$>> hopefully that makes some sense
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<johnf> hmm this seems to work <:expr< $uid:"Some"$ $`int:z$>> for the case where z is Some and then the other branch for z is None.
<johnf> at least looking at the printer and comparing it with <:str_item< Some z >>
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<pgomes> Hi
<pgomes> i tried to install ocamlp4 with 4.02.0 and it failed
<pgomes> is there any fix for it ?
<pgomes> Im on MacOSX
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<zennist> Can someone take a look at this piece of code? I keep getting the error "parse error: "module" or "open" or [opt_rec] expected after "let""
<zennist> let fs e f = List.partition (fun l -> List.mem e l) f in
<zennist> let as, ars = fs a forest in let bs, brs = fs b ars in
<zennist> the parse error occurs at the second 'let'
<def`> as is a keyword
<def`> choose another identifier
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<zennist> I spent half an hour staring at that and didn't realize T-T
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<whitequa1k> def`: we should have some better message for "keyword used where identifier was expected"
<whitequa1k> this is very common
<def`> whitequa1k: you are welcome to enrich this page :)
<whitequa1k> ha
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<def`> Any other idea? It's doable, but we need a clear goal
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<whitequark> def`: I think it should be done in ocamlc
<whitequark> well, we could test it out in merlin, too...
<chris2> is there a camlp4 tarball?
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<chris2> ah, opam 1.2 doesnt depend on camlp4 anyway
<chris2> now if it built, that would be nice -.-
<def`> whitequark: of course, it's more a place for me to experiment, and i
<def`> don't worry doing 'disruptive' changes that would be harder to do on the compiler, espcially since the infrastructure for tweaking parser is already in place
<whitequark> indeed
<whitequark> def`: there are some ideas in the mantis
<whitequark> like for the _
<whitequark> which is not a valid identifier
<def`> (work is planned with gasche to move things upstream)
<def`> ('plan' is maybe too strong :')
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<adrien_kobo> so bleh
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<adrien_kobo> afaict the insallaion of the fake bytes package for pre 4.02 is broken in findlib
<whitequark> adrien_kobo: I believe this was fixed
<adrien_kobo> or at least weird
<whitequark> what do you mean?
<adrien_kobo> inwhich version would that fix be?
<adrien_kobo> after 1.5.2?
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<adrien> 1.5.2 is the latest
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<adrien> weird = it seems you have to configure findlib before installing it
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<adrien> i.e. you need to tell it where to install stuff first
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<chris2> does it still make sense to package compiler-libs? make install seems to install some
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<whitequa1k> uhhhh, camlp4 install is broken
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<adrien_> gasche__: now that 4.02 is released, what about splitting ocamlbuild? :D
<adrien_> (if done I'd probably try to go with chambart's way which is a single makefile)
<adrien_> (or at least fewer)
<adrien_> anyway, I'm almost done with the upcoming release of win-builds and I'd like to work on the cross compilation patches again but I'll first need this answer :)
<adrien_> (I expect the release of win-builds 1.5 to take up to a month from now)
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<Algebr> How does something like utop work? Does it like open up a socket and then talk to regular ocaml top level over that socket?
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<flux> I think it's a modified ocaml top level
<flux> ocaml top level doesn't really have a nice protocol to interact with..
<Algebr> So utop is kind of like a fork of the top level?
<flux> that is my understanding
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<def`> Algebr: large parts of the toplevel are exposed in compiler-libs
<def`> that's what utop reuse, with finer analysis of user input and fancy interface above
<whitequark> this is what happens when rubyists try to write ocaml
* def` more-or-less never wrote unit tests :'
* whitequark normally uses ounit2
<whitequark> it's a bit horrible, but it gets the job done
<def`> what do you dislike about it ?
<whitequark> the test runner is complete crap
<whitequark> it has several dozens of options, but no options which you actually need
<whitequark> like "specifying tests to run with a glob/regexp"
<whitequark> and the logs it writes are barely usable
<def`> Ok, I was thinking more of the api / langage extension.
<whitequark> no, OCaml API is mostly ok
<whitequark> it could probably be done better but I do not have a lot of complaints
<def`> yep
<whitequark> as for the pa_test, I don't want it as well
<whitequark> as in, I never felt a need
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<artagnon> When I do GenericValue.as_pointer, how do lltypes map to types in OCaml?
<whitequark> they don't
<artagnon> What happens then?
<artagnon> What kind of value do I get from GV.as_pointer?
<whitequark> you can't manipulate the values of your language unless they are also valid OCaml values
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<whitequark> (i.e. are located on OCaml's heap and so on)
<whitequark> you'll have to write C code that would unbox your values and allocate the corresponding OCaml data structures.
<artagnon> But GV.as_int works.
<whitequark> sure
<artagnon> If I unbox it as int first.
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<artagnon> So, to get a generic value back in OCaml, I have to unbox it in C?
<whitequark> yeah
<whitequark> if it's a pointer, that is
<artagnon> So how does it work? I take the result of GV.as_pointer and run it through a C function?
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<whitequark> yes.
<whitequark> OCaml allows to pass around unboxed opaque pointers
<artagnon> Hm, I currently know how to call C from LLVM.
<whitequark> so you just add "external unbox_value : 'a -> lang_value", where "type lang_value = LangInt of int | LangFloat of float | LangString of string | ..."
<whitequark> basically.
<artagnon> Got it.
<artagnon> Let me try it out.
* artagnon has never used the OCaml <-> C interface
<mrvn> ctypes can do that without C code
<whitequark> generally, yes
<whitequark> but C code would be easier to debug
<artagnon> I see.
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<mrvn> don't use empty vars
<mrvn> ups
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