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<xtalmath> hi, im new to ocaml, and am trying to run/build alg : http://math.andrej.com/2011/01/22/alg/ but I get an error
<xtalmath> Error: This expression has type int array array but an expression was expected of type (int array * int * 'a) array
<xtalmath> since this is from januari 2011, i'm assuming ocaml changed a bit such that the code no longer works?
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<xtalmath> im currently following the tryocaml thing, but I suspect that even after I completed it, I wont necessarily be able to fix the code
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<xtalmath> so if someone understands the algebra/algorithm behind alg, feel free to help me out
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<Drup> xtalmath: afaict, the code is just false, period. It wouldn't have worked with an older version of ocaml.
<Drup> xtalmath: also, the last commit is from and 2013, changed the file were there is the error and is called "Nonworking version"
<Drup> xtalmath: the commit just before compile
<xtalmath> euhm, I got the tar.gz, you have it from Mercurial repository
<xtalmath> ?
<Drup> it's the same
<xtalmath> and it just doesnt work? is it possible to revert changes to the last working version somehow?
<xtalmath> at some time it must have worked, or they wouldnt put up the blog entry
<Drup> the tar.gz is auto generated from the repository
<Drup> (I checked)
<xtalmath> erm, im new to hg as well tbh
<Drup> me too
<Drup> (after cloning)
<xtalmath> you have a clue how to make it work?
<Drup> xtalmath: sure, just checkout the previous commit
<Drup> "hg checkout 194:7b1185cf609f"
<Drup> I did "hg lg", copy pasted the reference, and used "hg checkout"
<Drup> not very different to git :D
<Drup> hg log*
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<xtalmath> thats from the many-sorted branch?
<Drup> apparently
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<xtalmath> which is the same as the ones before I assume?
<xtalmath> ah yes now its compiling
<xtalmath> hmm now "./src/alg.native --count --size 8 theories/group.th" gives "Syntax error: line 2, 11"
<xtalmath> thanks for helping me compile btw!
<Drup> can't help you with actually using the thing, now idea what it's about :)
<xtalmath> it searches finite models that satisfy axioms entered, so you can give say ring axioms, and some more requirements and it can display models that fit
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<xtalmath> ah it works with the second last version (so not the many sorted one) :D
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<jbza> I am getting poor performance on an algorithm that I have written that relies on pattern matching where there is ~500 distinct patterns. I am wondering if this poor performance may be due to the pattern matching?
<jbza> Is it linear time to search for matching patterns?
<Drup> 500 patterns O_O
<jbza> Would a trie/hashtable encounter better performance?
<Drup> is it auto-generated or what ?
<jbza> There are 500 distinct datatypes, but would reformulating them as strings be faster?
<jbza> Yes, auto-generated
<jbza> not datatypes, constructors
<Drup> pattern matchin (without guards) is as clever as you can get
<Drup> constructors are ints, and an efficient decision tree is generated
<jbza> Hmm
<Drup> but 500 hunder is quite ridiculous
<jbza> It is a java grammar
<Drup> java gramar has 500 hundred keywords ?
<Drup> baah
<Drup> -hundred
<jbza> in BNF form, yeah
<Drup> I don't really know, your use case is weird :/
<Drup> I think you will have to compare
<jbza> That's okay, if it isn't the pattern matching, then my algorithm must be slow
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<Drup> you profiled, I suppose ?
<jbza> I did but I didn't get very far
<jbza> what is the equivalent of "-auto-all" in from gch profiling
<jbza> For getting in the inner methods
<Drup> compile with the switch 4.01.0+fp
<Drup> it will add various dwarf information and give you the call graph in perf
<jbza> Thanks
<MercurialAlchemi> there is one thing I don't understand - I try making my opam package following the docs and using a testing repo. Since it tends to blow up upon install, I install all the deps listed in the /opam file first. Then I tell opam to install my package, and sure enough, it's reinstalling all the dependencies
<Drup> MercurialAlchemi: build script ?
<MercurialAlchemi> just three lines, ocaml setup.ml -{configure,build,install}
<MercurialAlchemi> nothing particularly odd
<MercurialAlchemi> haha
<Drup> show me :)
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<MercurialAlchemi> of course it blows up when reinstall ocamlfind with # Makefile:150: depend: No such file or directory
<MercurialAlchemi> # ocamlfind: Package bytes is already installed
<MercurialAlchemi> (which it installed just fine 30min ago)
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<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: http://pastebin.com/7SAiqWVv
<Drup> right
<Drup> I've seen a bug with bytes, but don't remember the details, sorry
<MercurialAlchemi> I think there are two bugs here
<elspru> trying to compile ocaml-google, keep getting can't find CamlGI
<MercurialAlchemi> a weird dependency bug which means ocamlfind can't update itself or reinstall itself
<elspru> i'm on raspberrypi debian
<MercurialAlchemi> and the fact that it shouldn't try to do that anyway
<elspru> is there some kind of ocaml package manager, or some other way of installing camlgi?
<elspru> ocamlfind says META file is missing
<Drup> elspru: opam is the ocaml package manager
<Drup> MercurialAlchemi: why shouldn't ocamlfind be upgraded ?
<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: because before installing my package I did "opam install core core_extended fileutils mustache sexplib lambda-term toml"
<Drup> and ?
<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: starting from a "blank" opam
<Drup> oh, ok
<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: that's the dependencies of my package
<Drup> which version of opam ?
<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: then when I try to install it... it wants to reinstall everything before blowing up
<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: 1.1.1 says "opam --version"
<Drup> if it's 1.1 ... there are multiple solver weirdness
<Drup> especially if you are not using aspcud
<MercurialAlchemi> What's that?
<Drup> an external dependency solver opam can use instead of the built-in one
<Drup> and it's much better
<MercurialAlchemi> (and unfortunately it's the only version packaged for Debian)
<MercurialAlchemi> hm
<MercurialAlchemi> There is an aspcud package on Debian
<MercurialAlchemi> You think if I install it, opam will magically detect it and use it?
<Drup> yes
<elspru> wow
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<elspru> ocaml has labeled arguments :-) I like that.
<elspru> I'm considering making human speakable syntax for it.
<MercurialAlchemi> Drup: thanks
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<elspru> trying to opam install libext, tells me camlp4of not found.
<elspru> i install camlp4 so not sure what i'm missing.
<elspru> says it can't find camlp4-extra
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<elspru> found it in ubuntu repositories
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<madroach> OCaml 4.02beta is complaining "This comment contains an unterminated string literal" when there are braces '{' in comments.
<madroach> Is this known / wanted behaviour?
<adrien_oww> it's not something like
<adrien_oww> (* "foo *)
<adrien_oww> ?
<madroach> no
<madroach> something like this in coq: (* between u v = {w|u<=w<=v, w canonical} *)
<madroach> or this in ocamlnet: * As recommended by RFC 2045, the characters [!#$\@[]^`{|}~]
<def`> {a|… is a string literal in ocaml
<acieroid> madroach: yep it is explained in the changelog
<def`> you have to close it with a corresponding |a}
<def`> ocaml 4.02*
<madroach> thanks.
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<ggole> Wait, what?
<ggole> # {a|what|a};; - : string = "what" O_o
<ggole> So what's the purpose of this somewhat surprising construct?
<def`> preprocessors, matching "a" qualified strings
<ggole> ppx?
<def`> Maybe, I don't know exactly if that's ppx, but it must be something related
<def`> (I just saw that when porting lexer to merlin :P(
<def`> )
<tane> still, why would that impose certain constructs being written out in comments?
<ggole> OK, thanks.
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<def`> tane: ocaml allows code inside comments, so lexical rules for code apply inside comments
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<tane> oh ok, thanks
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<adrien> def`: that is getting restrictive for comments
<adrien> plus it breaks compat
<ggole> It'd be nice if it only applied to specially formatted comments
<def`> I agree
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<whitequark> def`: ggole: ppx.
<whitequark> it's for things like {html| |html}
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<nojb> Why are the compiler-libs installed both under /usr/local/lib/ocaml and /usr/local/lib/ocaml/compiler-libs ?
<whitequark> they aren't
<nojb> whitequark: are they supposed to be installed only under lib/ocaml/compiler-libs ?
<whitequark> yes
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<hcarty> Is there a proper opam-way to retrieve (or write) an application with a set of dependencies and then install those dependencies? A functioning version of 'opam get-me-what-i-need-to-hack-on /path/to/my/project/'
<whitequark> hcarty: opam pin add -n /path/to/your-project ; opam install -d your-project
<whitequark> er, --deps-only, not -d
<hcarty> whitequark: Ah, thank you!
<hcarty> whitequark: What does -n do?
<hcarty> Is that a 1.2-ism? I don't see it in the help text. I'm still on 1.1.1.
<whitequark> 1.2-ism
<whitequark> try opam pin your-project /path/to/your-project
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<orbitz> mfp: i found a representation of snapshots + log i liked for my design. logs are a list (effectively) and snapshots are 'nil'
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<mfp> orbitz: 'nil', as in "not reified"?
<mfp> In my state machine, snapshots themselves do not appear (it only tracks ongoing snapshot transfers, to avoid sending again when there's already one in progress). Then, on the "install_snapshot" event, the log is trimmed (it's assumed the snapshot affects the state of the replicated state machine, which the core Oraft state machine is oblivious to).
<mfp> is your representation anything like the above?
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<orbitz> mfp: nil as in the end ofa list. so conceptually a log is a bunch of cons cells with a nil at the end, but 'nil' is just teh last snapshot
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<orbitz> mfp: yes, my implementation involves the implementation doing more of the managemetn
<mfp> where the list is inverted, right? (i.e., the snapshot being actually the *beginning* of the log list chronologically)
<mfp> when I looked around for implementations in other langs for ideas, I found they usually take over snapshot transfer and force you to serialize the whole thing to a string
<bernardofpc> Mercurial> # ocamlfind: Package bytes is already installed -> same here
<mfp> my mid-term goal is to replicate LSM data which allows trivially efficient incremental transfer, so I wanted to keep the Raft state machine oblivious to the specifics of snapshot shipping
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<mfp> another way would be to just functorize everything out, but since the SM is already pure, simply handling snapshots with "received snapshot" / "snapshot send failed" events and "send snapshot with at least log entries up to N to X" actions is cleaner
* mfp bbiaw
<orbitz> mfp: yes, inverted
<orbitz> mfp: yes i'm still not sure how exactly i want to do snapshot transfer
<orbitz> definitly not serialize the whole thing to string since, like you, i want tens to hundresd of gigabytes
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<Drup> whitequark: RIP, _oasis for ppx
<whitequark> Drup: hmm?
<Drup> "please do a bug report, no ETA"
<Drup> is pretty much equivalent to "never" in my book
<whitequark> ah, yeah.
<Drup> (at least for oasis)
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<orbitz> evening
<bitbckt> mornin
<orbitz> how goes it bitbckt
<bitbckt> fair-to-middlin'. how're you, orbitz?
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<orbitz> bitbckt: i'm good. Working on some Ocaml, whee
<orbitz> Intereste to see what 4.03.0 looks like with namespaces
<orbitz> compiletimes with Core are pretty weaksauce
<bitbckt> yeah, they're hoping to fix that up soon-ish. packs are a pain.
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<orbitz> I like the idea of packs at least
<orbitz> I think the Core library layout is kind of unfriendly to modularity thouhg
<flux> 4.03 is going to have namespaces?
<adrien> birth of a rumor
<flux> oh, 'scheduled for release 2015-05-01', so I guess it could have anything :-)
<orbitz> that's what yaron said in a mailing list
<adrien> may?
<adrien> for beta then
<adrien> hmmm, btw
<adrien> the mantis roadmap is what the bugs say
<adrien> but bugs can be postponed again and again
<flux> I also heard they are going to add the parallel GC there as well.
<flux> adrien, ^ do you mean this?
<adrien> - 0006353: [OCaml runtime system] [github patch] Ephemerons - confirmed.
<adrien> :P
<adrien> flux: :)
<adrien> and - 0005282: [OCamlbuild (the tool)] .cmo files are generated even for native compilation (xclerc) - assigned.
<adrien> it was 4.01
<adrien> then 4.02
<adrien> now 4.03
<flux> and then it's not found from 4.04 either?
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<adrien> ;-)
<flux> http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=6327 - cool, I'm going to use this from now on :-)
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<whitequark> flux: it's kind of horrible
<adrien> :D
<flux> it -is- a bit annoying to add parens/beginend around those matches.. but I'm guessing the emacs autoindenter won't deal with that :)
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<flux> nice, this would have saved me from messed up permissions a couple times: http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=6291
<flux> sadly these also always brings up the projects that use -Wall -Werror in releases :P
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