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<mcc> So I'm trying to figure out what if%XXX will look like to a PPX mapper
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<mcc> wait, i think i've got it
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<mcc> so... if a then b else c
<mcc> if you use the "if a then b" syntax... if you don't specify a c...
<flux> then it's automatically else ()
<mcc> does that imply that the statement has to be of type unit?
<flux> so, yes
<flux> (expression)
<mcc> coool
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<companion_cube> anyone knows how to print backtraces in a regular toplevel?
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<MercurialAlchemi> companion_cube: any reason of using a regular toplevel?
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<companion_cube> or utop
<companion_cube> but even with Printexc.record_backtrace true, I can't get a proper backtrace
<flux> I don't think there's a way
<flux> and apparently it's not trivial to implement
<companion_cube> :/
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<flux> apparently a patch to enable that against 3.10.x has existed at skydeck.com/blog/programming/more-stack-traces-in-ocaml, but that link is dead (worse than dead, advertisements)
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<mcc> hey uh... let's say i just wrote a ppx extension that implements an if%const that can do some comparison of constant expressions and then replaces itself with the ast one or the other clause of the if. equivalent of cppo #if . ... anyone have any opinions about whether if%const is a good syntax or if another name is better?
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<flux> sounds fine to me. possible alternative: if%static - but it's one character longer!
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<flux> mcc, what are you going to use that extension with, or just because you can?-)
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<mcc> oo... that makes sense, although writing a lot of C++ has left me with a horrible aversion to that particular word! ^_^;
<mcc> (it could just mean SO MANY THINGS. in c++, i mean)
<mcc> flux: gonna use it with whitequark's ppx_getenv, and then that obviates cppo for the purposes i wanted to use cppo for
<mcc> plus, my ast gets checked for correctness.
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<flux> mcc, make sure you support not only expressions but statements and patterns as well :-)
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<mcc> oh, that's interesting
<mcc> *thinks*
<mcc> i… think i cannot support patterns, since that would not constitute a valid ocaml ast
<mcc> and ppx is limited in that its inputs must be valid ocaml asts
<mcc> so i don't know where i'd stick the decorator for patterns
<mcc> decorator's the wrong word i guess
<mcc> is there some werd "where" magic you can use with patterns? ocaml has so much syntax...
<mcc> ok sleep now
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<MercurialAlchemi> "ocaml has so much syntax", you should try scala for size :)
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<companion_cube> ocaml has lots of small syntax details, it's true
<companion_cube> but the semantics is generally very simple
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<MercurialAlchemi> it's not that bad
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<bobfang> Hi
<bobfang> a quick quesiton
<bobfang> if I have a file bar.ml in a folder foo
<bobfang> how can I open bar outside foo?
<bobfang> thanks :)
<MercurialAlchemi> what do you mean by "open"?
<MercurialAlchemi> bobfang: in the toplevel?
<bobfang> in a source file...
<bobfang> in an ocaml source file
<bobfang> just outside foo
<Leonidas> bobfang: add it to the search path, -I
<bobfang> what if I am using ocamlfind?
<Leonidas> ocamlbuild -I foo filethatreferencesbar.native
<bobfang> cool got it
<bobfang> nice
<Leonidas> ocamlbuild -I foo foo.native -classic-display -use-ocamlfind
<Leonidas> here, works with ocamlfind as well
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<gal_bolle> hi all, i have compiled an ocaml program with -g. When I run it as "ocamldebug ./program", everything goes fine. But when I cd to some other directory and run "ocamldebug ../../program", it cannot find the source files. What can I do? (i need the program to be running in that directory in order to see the behaviour I'm interested in)
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<gal_bolle> I have the same problem if I run "program" from the directory where it lives and use the "cd" ocamldebug command before doing "run"
<jbrown> try "dir /path/to/source" in the debugger
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<gal_bolle> it works, thanks jbrown
<jbrown> np!
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<thizanne> is there a difference between module ... with (constraint1) with (constraint2) and module ... with (constraint1) and (constraint2) ?
<companion_cube> I never say the first
<thizanne> that does make a difference
<thizanne> thanks
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<dmbaturin> I did opam switch 4.02.1 and imported the package list. ocaml REPL etc. work fine, but in an oasis project ./configure still configures it for the old compiler. What migth I have missed?
<companion_cube> maybe the setup.data should be deleted
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<dmbaturin> companion_cube: Thanks, let me try.
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<rgrinberg> Drup: back to work on cohttp ocsigen once you rebase the cohttp PR? :P
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<Drup> I can rebase the PR for you, but I'm still finishing Z3/termite
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<rgrinberg> Drup: would be great if you could
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<rgrinberg> I haven't spent any time understanding Vouillon's objections
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<Drup> that's the easier rebase I ever did.
<Drup> easiest*
<Drup> I have nothing to patch
<Drup> it feels .. surprising
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<rgrinberg> Drup: \o/
<rgrinberg> now i just need a way to test the reverse proxy
<Drup> I also rebased dinosaure's fix branch
<Drup> which I invite you to review.
<rgrinberg> which branch is that?
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<vanila> hi nice people
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<vanila> im just confused about an error message
<vanila> $ opam pin add tlstunnel https://github.com/hannesm/tlstunnel
<vanila> gives me: Package tlstunnel does not exist, create as a NEW package ? [Y/n]
<vanila> is that expected? or do i need to do something else first
<Drup> it's expected
<Drup> tlstunnel indeed doesn't exist and it will create a brand new package (pointed at the git repo)
<vanila> hmm it's now saying: Invalid opam file ..
<vanila> i might need to swithc back to the other ocaml..
<Drup> do you have a recent opam ?
<vanila> a strange thing about this is that it puts ME as the maintainer in the opam file
<vanila> im not sure how to check that, im running opam update now
<Drup> opam --version
<vanila> ah! 1.2.1
<Drup> hum, there is something fishy
<vanila> oh!
<Drup> ah yes, the instruction is broken
<vanila> OCaml version 4.02.1
<vanila> but I need 420
<Drup> opam pin add tlstunnel https://github.com/hannesm/tlstunnel.git
<vanila> maybe?
<Drup> this is better
<vanila> ooh!
<vanila> thatsworking now!
<vanila> thanks very much for helping me :)
<Drup> no problem
<Drup> you should report/fix the bug upstream
<vanila> sure
<vanila> hmm i did actually get some errors
<vanila> ERROR while installing lwt.2.4.8
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<vanila> it seems to be failing since it can't find wikidoc
<vanila> ocamlfind: Package `wikidoc' not found
<Drup> no, that's a warning.
<Drup> (don't worry about this one, it doesn't matter)
<vanila> http://lpaste.net/130711 even this is okay?
<Drup> obviously no, but wikidoc is not the issue, something else is
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<vanila> ooh
<vanila> i just have to opam switch back to 'system', I think.. it looks like it doesn't get along with metaocaml
<Drup> ah yeah, that's not completely surprising
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