<dmarschal> good morning!
<dmarschal> I located http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Toolchains and have a question
<dmarschal> I need an assembler to run on my NN.
<dmarschal> Please suggest one. I'm not a porting/recompiling guru. (-: Thank you in advance!
<dmarschal> mips.sde links are dead )-:
<xiangfu> Yi, hi
<xiangfu> zhangyi, Hi
<zhangyi> xiangfu: hi
<xiangfu> zhangyi, http://linux.solidot.org/article.pl?sid=10/05/06/0837240 here is the Chinese Article about Debian run on Ben.
<zhangyi> xiangfu: ah, great!
<zhangyi> xiangfu: well done! Thanks!
<xiangfu> xiangfu, will post in my blog too.
<kristianpaul> ohh solidot.org :)
<wolfspraul> darfgarf: blame the qi server, no problem :-)
<wolfspraul> it's not 100% stable yet
<darfgarf> better than mine, one of the fans fails and the cpu heatsink fell off yesterday XD
<wolfspraul> yes but I do need to spend some more time on stability
<wolfspraul> little bit more about ACh
<larsc> good, thanks
<emdete> .
<larsc> o
<kristianpaul> _
<emdete> sry
<emdete> its just to test if my proxy works again, hetzner was down...
<kristianpaul> :)
<heberth> hi!!
<nebajoth> hello :O
<heberth> nanonote plays the video?
<heberth> I do not speak English
<nebajoth> what language?
<heberth> spanañol
<heberth> español
<nebajoth> it should play video if you have graphical environment installed
<nebajoth> resolution is small though
<heberth> ok
<nebajoth> but it should play video well enough
<heberth> openwrt ?
<nebajoth> debian works on the nanonote now
<nebajoth> as of 2-3 days ago
<heberth> I heard that
<nebajoth> but the latest openwrt image from the nanonote developers
<nebajoth> also has a graphical environment
<heberth> ahhhh
<nebajoth> the chip in the nanonote
<nebajoth> is the JZ4740
<nebajoth> it has an xburst mips processor
<nebajoth> and a Video Post Processor
<nebajoth> that can do things like resize video on the fly
<nebajoth> so videos should work pretty well
<nebajoth> although I have not tried myself
<zear> no, nonote does not play video yet
<zear> *nanonote
<nebajoth> have you tried with debian?
<heberth> try!
<zear> no, i only tried mplayer i compiled myself
<jd823592> Hello, may i ask about the processor used in Ben... what are the specs? is it compatioble with MIPS32 or MIPS64 .. i dont know much about MIPS but how about multithreading support? .. from what i have read about MIPS i would love to see Ye stick with it
<mth> it's 32 bit, little endian
<jd823592> thanks, are there any ideas about what processors are inteded for the upcoming successors to ben?
<mth> I don't know exactly, but I'd expect something from the same range
<mth> maybe JZ4750
<jd823592> These processors are probably not comparable to current intel processors Atom etc
<mth> no, it's a totally different architecture
<mth> but that doesn't really matter if the software you run on it is open source
<mth> ah, comparable, not compatible
<mth> I think they are comparable to ARM processors
<mth> Atom has better performance, but also draws a lot more power
<jd823592> I see.. if i asked you about ilustrative comparison of performance.. could you plase give me an idea?
<mth> it's not easy to compare since a lot depends on what CPU the code was optimized for
<mth> for example video decoding benefits a lot from SIMD instructions and hardware acceleration
<mth> I don't actually have a NanoNote myself, but a Dingoo, which has similar hardware but not the same
<larsc> i think wolfgang said he would like to see the jz4760 on the ya
<mth> on the Dingoo most emulators of 8-bit systems run fine
<jd823592> well i know about SIMD instructions
<jd823592> but i thought you could point out something like these processors perform at 70% of commonly used x86 compatible processors created by intel
<urandom_> will the ben drop in price soon? i am really thinking about buying one
<maden> urandom_: really?
<maden> you think that it's expensive
<maden> ?
<urandom_> the price i fine in general but it lacks usb host so not sure how much or for what i would use it
<maden> i still don't see how it could be any cheaper.
<urandom_> yeah you are right i think
<zedstar> and buying one is supporting project and increasing the chance of other devices!
<urandom_> yeah is really like the whole ideology behind it
<jd823592> Is it difficult to use better display with NanoNote?
<jd823592> i mean in the hardware design
<nebajoth> jd823592: there's a message on the mailing list from a day or two ago
<nebajoth> that benchmarks the nanonote
<nebajoth> and compares it against an atom and so on
<nebajoth> "It is in a class similar to a Pentium 200"
<nebajoth> is the short story
<tuxbrain> urandom_: If you achieve someone buy me 1000 units at once I assure you a great discount :P
<nebajoth> interestingly enough, the JZ4740 seems to have usb host functionality
<nebajoth> its just not used in the current Ben design
<nebajoth> although I haven't spoken to the devs about this, I personally imagine it was done to save power
<nebajoth> once you start powering usb gadgets you get into a whole new ballgame, power-wise
<nebajoth> and the nanonote doesn't have a huge battery
<larsc> i would rather say it's not there cause it was not needed
<jd823592> nebajoth: thanks :)
<nebajoth> np dude
<nebajoth> not needed for what?
<nebajoth> usb host opens up the ability to add ANY missing peripheral
<nebajoth> which is kind of a big deal
<nebajoth> easily add, I should say
<nebajoth> no need to solder to UART points that break basic keyboard functionality, for example :P
<urandom_> could finally make up my mind, buying a ben nanonote
<jd823592> i would buy it right away if i could :D
<urandom_> now i have to wait :(
<zear> are they out of stock or something?
<urandom_> no i hope not, but i have to wait till they bring it to my house
<jd823592> where do you order it from?
<urandom_> pulster.de cause i live in germany and they ship it with a free laserpen ;)
<urandom_> 128.50¬ with all the shit, not so cheap but they seem to be friendly
<jd823592> :)
<jd823592> its more than initial $99
<urandom_> well shipping from china to germany and then from there to where i live costs a bit
<zedstar> plus u can have fun with cats now with a laserpen which is priceless ;)
<urandom_> yeah
<zedstar> or annoy pilots landing
<jd823592> i will have to wait for Ye :)
<jd823592> hopefully it doesnt end up like 3d7k (openmoko's gta03)
<urandom_> i have read somewhere that it might take at least 6 months for the Ye
<urandom_> so happy waiting :P
<urandom_> but this would be still much better than waiting for the pandora
<jd823592> well i will wait 6months without even noticing it after i waited 1year for 3d7k which will never see the day's light
<urandom_> well you could speed up everything with buying a ben since they first need to sell them to have the money for the Ye, i know 100 is a lot of money but it is for a great idea ;)
<jd823592> it indeed is... i would love to but buying it now would mean i would wait 6months for it to reach me anyway :D:D:D... and secondly, i would really appreciate bigger screen and maybe faster cpu, bigger storage... i know, i have high demands
<jd823592> :D
<urandom_> ah just give it 64mb ram, USB host and something like a trackpoint and it will be awesome
<urandom_> i personally dont see the need for bigger storage but yeah a bit bigger screen would be nice
<jd823592> storage is last of my requirements :)
<jd823592> but 64mb ram seems quite too little
<urandom_> depends if it gets a better CPU, for the current 64mb would be much fun
<jd823592> i have noticed 512MB was mentioned on the proposal list on the web
<urandom_> if it should cost 99$ i dont think it will get 512mb, maybe the modell after the Ye
<urandom_> even the pandora hast only 256mb and it costs 3 times as much and is not open hardware
<sid__> ... pulser is great! i bought my moko there too and with the nanonote order i got the moko debugboard for free
<jd823592> i didnt say i would expect it to cost only $99 with 512mb
<jd823592> i am off to bed now, nice talking to you.. cant wait to get my hands on that note :)
<jd823592> good night
<urandom_> yeah, see you!