<wolfspraul>
date again, someone was going insane yesterday over the date. was that you?
<xakh>
indeed.
<xakh>
I found out why.
<xakh>
you have to put the year at the beginning of the string
<xakh>
not the end
<xakh>
because of the way BusyBox handles it
<DocScrutinizZzer>
busybox is crap. It's a script interpreter optimized for execution speed and low I/O load, for example to boot up small devices. It never was meant for interactive use
<andrewwwww>
I want to add Sox to my Nanonote, I've got the latest official image flashed onto the nn and I've been reading about the commands git and make menuconfig are these commands I run from the usbboot tool?
<xiangfu>
hi andrewwwww
<gbraad>
hi xiangfu
<xiangfu>
gbraad: hi
<gbraad>
will you be at the next meeting of BeijingLUG?
<gbraad>
is a friend of rejon (Jon)
<xiangfu>
gbraad: not sure.
<gbraad>
would be cool if we could meet up.
<gbraad>
but else some other time is also ok.
<gbraad>
xiangfu: no prob. catch you some other time. will see wolfgang first then...
<xiangfu>
gbraad: ok.
<gbraad>
btw, you show interest in Fedora? also noticed you in fedora-zh
<xiangfu>
gbraad: no. I join the fedora-cn because one news.
<xiangfu>
gbraad: they are port fedora to mips. so I join that channel. but seems that channel not very active about mips :-)
<andrewwwww>
hello
<gbraad>
xiangfu: I do the port with a friend of mine ;)
<gbraad>
xiangfu: we are in #fedora-mips
<xiangfu>
gbraad: oh. great.
<gbraad>
xiangfu: was one of the reason I would like to talk with you
<gbraad>
xiangfu: eventually we want to support the Ingenic/Nanonote but still need to straighten out some issues with our distro
<xiangfu>
gbraad: great. fedora in Nanonote.
<xiangfu>
andrewwwww: is the sox work in your nanonote ??
<andrewwwww>
oh, I think I'm setting up the package manager git, just waiting for the terminal.
<andrewwwww>
I think I'm on the right track
<wolfspraul>
I thought sox was included? I remember it was once, then we had to kick it out because of libmad/mp3 dependencies.
<andrewwwww>
yeah thats right
<wolfspraul>
but we will try to get it back in asap without patented codecs, at least hopefully that's easy to configure out
<andrewwwww>
well I'm just learning about how to add packages myself
<andrewwwww>
I like this nanonote a lot, it is teaching me a lot about linux that modern distros gloss over with gui interfaces
<xiangfu>
andrewwwww: great.
<wolfspraul>
andrewwwww: yes! :-) glad you see it that way
<kyak>
[A
<kyak>
hello guys
<kyak>
[A
<wolfspraul>
hey
<kyak>
i'll be hanging here for a while now :)
<wolfspraul>
that's nice to hear, welcome!
<kyak>
i was talking to Yi Zhang via e-mail, and he suggested IRC for a faster comminucation
<kyak>
so zhangyi, thanks for invitation, i'm leaving right now and talk to you later!
<zhangyi>
kyak: r u michael?
<kyak>
i am
<zhangyi>
nice
<kyak>
good :)
<kyak>
so when i'm back home, i'll check your shop
<zhangyi>
kyak: good, thanks. we haven't turned it on yet
<kyak>
all right
<zhangyi>
kyak: how about we set up a time slot today or tomorrow?
<kyak>
tomorrow is a good day
<zhangyi>
sounds good. just give me a time frame, then mirko and I will go through the payment with u
<zhangyi>
kyak: thanks so much!
<zhangyi>
kyak: ounds good. just give me a time frame, then mirko and I will go through the payment with u
<kyak>
so you're 4 hours ahead, is it ok for you to do it in the evening?
<zhangyi>
kyak: evening is not a problem for me
<kyak>
i'm back home at 19:30, it's 23:30 your time
<zhangyi>
kyak: that will be fine
<kyak>
good, then let's keep in touch
<zhangyi>
kyak: so 19:30 for you and 23:30 for me. great!
<kyak>
yes!
<zhangyi>
kyak: vegyraupe will help us on this
<zhangyi>
kyak: vegyraupe is the king of the shop :)
<kyak>
ok, so we know whom to blame :)
<zhangyi>
kyak: haha, here you go
<vegyraupe>
kyak: more the servant who tries to keep things running ;)
<kyak>
a good king is always a servant to his people :)
<zhangyi>
vegyraupe: would 17:30 tomorrow be okay with you?
<vegyraupe>
i thought 19:30 ...
<vegyraupe>
confused
<vegyraupe>
sure
<vegyraupe>
17:30 tomorrow should work
<zhangyi>
vegyraupe: 19:30 is for kyak. he is in Russia
<vegyraupe>
ah
<vegyraupe>
ok
<vegyraupe>
so tuesday 17:30
<vegyraupe>
(for me)
<zhangyi>
vegyraupe: yep
<kyak>
got to go now guys.. se you later
<vegyraupe>
19:30 in Russia
<vegyraupe>
22:30 in China
<vegyraupe>
got it :)
<vegyraupe>
kyak: thx and ttyl
<zhangyi>
vegyraupe: yes :)
<vegyraupe>
perfect
<zhangyi>
kyak: yes, thank you indeed! we see you tomorrow
<xiangfu>
Hi which is the better ways for add 'imgv' to openwrt-package.git ? 1. add the 'imgv' source code to openwrt-package.git 2. create a project somewhere, then add 'makefile' to openwrt-package.git like usual.
<nebajoth>
the pyneo filesystems won't work for me
<nebajoth>
well, they work
<nebajoth>
but apt-get fails
<nebajoth>
with a Bus error
<nebajoth>
going to try this debian-sid.ubi :D
<tuxbrain>
the only thing Is not working out of the box was ssh, but reinstalling it with apt-get it solves
<nebajoth>
awesome
<nebajoth>
what applications are you running on it besides arduino-programming stuff?
<tuxbrain>
really nothing yet,
<nebajoth>
does sound work?
<tuxbrain>
I don't know on the nano I installed debian  I have broken sound badly (in hardware) I only have one of the stereo lines and is not the speaker so I don't have even try it
<nebajoth>
ah
<nebajoth>
ok
<nebajoth>
gracias por responder a mis preguntas
<tuxbrain>
hey where are you from?
<nebajoth>
canada
<tuxbrain>
good spanish indeed :P
<nebajoth>
google helped
<nebajoth>
I've seen your arduino stuff before
<nebajoth>
and remembered you are from Spain
<nebajoth>
thank yous are always nicer in your own tongue
<tuxbrain>
:D yes mercÃ
<nebajoth>
haha
<tuxbrain>
well depending on what part of canada you are of course :P
<nebajoth>
I'm anglo
<nebajoth>
but I know french
<nebajoth>
what is your favourite arduino project right now?
<tuxbrain>
uff, hard to say,
<nebajoth>
top three then :P
<nebajoth>
a couple of us in my town are considering starting up a hackerspace
<nebajoth>
and obviously arduinos are a great core around which to build such a thing
<nebajoth>
so it'd help me out if you could just list 3-5 nifty things done with arduinos
<tuxbrain>
great :) , I recomend than you create one your self not just copy, but that was really like it are ones with motors (stepper or just DC) involved
<tuxbrain>
servos also :)
<nebajoth>
robotttsss
<tuxbrain>
yeah kind of
<nebajoth>
yeah, the closest hackerspace to us, in Detroit, does a lot of robots
<nebajoth>
kind of?
<nebajoth>
what are you personally working on?
<tuxbrain>
VIctor and I are transforming a toy with simple DC motors in someting more "inteligent" adding potentiometers to control position and appling pwm and PID to increase precision
<nebajoth>
what is the toy you are basing it on?
<tuxbrain>
it's an little "robotic" arm
<nebajoth>
what do you envision its purpose to be?
<tuxbrain>
porpouse? heheeheh mmmm ... you mean porpouse ... so.... fun?
<nebajoth>
haha
<nebajoth>
IT HOLDS MY BEER
<nebajoth>
CERVEZA
<tuxbrain>
meanwhile it don't wheith more than 120gr :P
<nebajoth>
plastic?
<tuxbrain>
yep
<tuxbrain>
and bad one
<nebajoth>
that IS cool
<nebajoth>
how much did it cost?
<tuxbrain>
we are basically doing it for learning the priciples of PID
<tuxbrain>
you can found it for arround 50¬
<tuxbrain>
I send you the link from the chinese manufacturer, due is casualty I bought my bread boards there, but is a very common toy in robotic hobbist shops
<nebajoth>
very interesting
<nebajoth>
do you have your work on it documented?
<tuxbrain>
yep
<tuxbrain>
but not yet published until we have at least test it :P
<nebajoth>
ha, fair enough
<tuxbrain>
we use and arduino mega because it has 6 motors to control
<nebajoth>
we may copy your work if we get the hackerspace going
<nebajoth>
that sounds like the kind of project that will bring people in the door
<tuxbrain>
I will be glad :)
<nebajoth>
I'm definitely into the hacking, but my personal role in the organization is more of a kind of sandbox-builder at the moment
<nebajoth>
so I'm looking for projects that we can build a community around
<nebajoth>
arduino and the nanonote are obviously perfect
<nebajoth>
I'm also investigating the potato router
<Xakh>
this irc client messes up when i click links.
<Xakh>
hmm. you know there's a hack to make mini/microusb ports host ports.
<Xakh>
last place i saw it was for android devices
<Xakh>
so, let's assume i get it working.
<Xakh>
how hard would it be to configure wifi, from a usb dongle?
<Xakh>
or, if i got a usb ethernet card, would it work?
<zear>
Xakh, if there only are linux drivers for that device, just the kernel needs to be recompiled and it should work
<Xakh>
dammit.
<Xakh>
neat.
<Xakh>
androirc + other program = no androirc.
<Xakh>
i have to remember that.
<Xakh>
hm. well i used the device before
<Xakh>
on a linux system
<Xakh>
it was ubuntu, but i got it running on fedora too
<Xakh>
so what tools does the nano have for wifi?
<Xakh>
like, wicd?
<zear>
i dunno about the current image, but in the past it had the iwconfig and other tools for use with the sdio wifi cards
<zear>
and since the image is based on openwrt, which is distro for routers, it must have a lot of wifi apps in the repository
<Xakh>
yeah, i'd think so, lol
<Xakh>
though they're mostly for putting out wifi, not taking it in
<Xakh>
oh, has anyone tried that microsd wifi antenna?
<zear>
yep
<Xakh>
how well does it work?
<zear>
it works
<zear>
how good - no idea
<Xakh>
heh, alright
<Xakh>
btw, am i the only one surprised with how good the nanonote looks? usually when you see an open handheld, it's pretty rough looking, since it was designed by developers, but this one really has the feel of a finished product
<zear>
Xakh, nanonote design was bought from chinese developers
<zear>
they designed this device as a chinese dictionary
<Xakh>
crap, i can't click that yet, still on phone
<zear>
that could explain why there's no usb host and all the other design flaws :)
<zear>
(not like i'm saying the design is faulty)
<zear>
can you at least see the picture?
<Xakh>
this irc client is buggy
<zear>
ah
<Xakh>
if i exit it, it boots me from irc
<Xakh>
or if i go to other programs, it closes itself
<zear>
don't you have multiprocessing in android?
<Xakh>
yeah, this is just a bad program
<zear>
ah, ok
<Xakh>
i'm looking for other ones, but this one is one of very few android irc clients that exist
<Xakh>
grrrr
<Xakh>
can't find my microsd anywhere
<Xakh>
heh, lucky i did a backup 2 days ago
<Xakh>
okay, seriously annoying.
<Xakh>
going to move to laptop asap
<Xakh>
still, the sd card i used for the nano is missing, i have to use the one from my phone
<Xakh>
grrr
<xakh>
so, what other packages are good to install on this thing?
<xakh>
zear: you back yet
<xakh>
?
<zear>
tep
<zear>
*ype
<zear>
*yep
<zear>
:P
<xakh>
bad ass
<xakh>
so, what other games play nice on this system?
<zear>
descent 1&2
<zear>
openliero
<zear>
quake, but at a low fps
<xakh>
whoa, descent, nice
<zear>
scummvm
<zear>
generally a lot of games from dingoo a320 platform
<xakh>
where's the descent port?
<xakh>
I loved that game as a kid
<xakh>
I'm going to sound really young here
<xakh>
but I was only 3 when Doom came out
<xakh>
and my earliest memories were with my uncle John, coming in from his job as a CS professor, and showing me some cool new game he'd gotten a hold of
<xakh>
and I was a master of Doom back then
<xakh>
later he installed descent, and I loved that game
<xakh>
Well, outside of ports, is there anything else this thing can run easily, or is there something I can do to help port/create?
<tuxbrain>
this will bring you kernel messages on screen
<nebajoth>
aha
<nebajoth>
good idea
<nebajoth>
I definitely want that anyway
<tuxbrain>
also have you the sd card inserted
<tuxbrain>
?
<nebajoth>
yes
<tuxbrain>
one thing I find is that on first boot it givemes some chkfs errors and sistem goes to mantanaice waiting for crtl-D to be pressed but due the ouput was to serial console I only obtain a black screen
<tuxbrain>
on sd
<tuxbrain>
try to boot without sd before do nothing maybe we have luck
<tuxbrain>
kristianpaul: ping
<nebajoth>
reflassshhinnggg
<nebajoth>
I want the kernel output anyway
<tuxbrain>
too late :P
<nebajoth>
I hear what you're saying
<nebajoth>
but I want kernel output anyway
<tuxbrain>
ok I understand
<xakh>
hey, is there a way to put the nanonote into mass storage mode?
<tuxbrain>
xakh: theoretically yes but intiuition (not real understanding) from larsc conversantions about it seems there still some DMA issues interfering in the module that is able to do so
<xakh>
ok, just cheking
<xakh>
I lost my sd card so it's tough to transfer files
<tuxbrain>
scp doesn't work?
<nebajoth>
where do you live?
<tuxbrain>
who?
<nebajoth>
xakh
<xakh>
me? I live in the USA
<nebajoth>
which state?
<nebajoth>
trying to decide if I should send you an sd card
<nebajoth>
I have like 5 sitting here
<xakh>
West Virginia
<xakh>
like, micro?
<nebajoth>
yeah
<xakh>
o.o
<nebajoth>
I picked up a bunch off ebay
<nebajoth>
super cheap
<nebajoth>
they don't cost much
<xakh>
well, over the summer I'll be back home in San Antonio Texas
<xakh>
true
<nebajoth>
actually, Virginia is much closer to me
<nebajoth>
I'm just across the river from Detroit
<xakh>
nice
<nebajoth>
could probably just lettermail that sucker
<nebajoth>
they don't weigh crap
<xakh>
actually, I've gotten larger things in envelopes
<xakh>
got a SIM card
<nebajoth>
oooohhhhh, kernel output
<nebajoth>
sexyyyy
<tuxbrain>
yeah!
<nebajoth>
AND it booted
<nebajoth>
to a login
<tuxbrain>
:)
<nebajoth>
double yeah!
<tuxbrain>
another happy debian Nanonote user comes to scene
<nebajoth>
:D
<tuxbrain>
remember you have to fix ssh
<tuxbrain>
also put it with got date to avoid anoying message and mistakes when you compile
<nebajoth>
oi
<nebajoth>
tuxbrain
<tuxbrain>
yes?
<nebajoth>
the apt-get commands you gave
<nebajoth>
to fix ssh
<nebajoth>
don't have the right package name
<tuxbrain>
ops
<nebajoth>
should be "apt-get remove openssh-server"
<nebajoth>
and "apt-get install openssh-server"
<tuxbrain>
yes I will fix it right now
<nebajoth>
or even better
<nebajoth>
"apt-get reinstall openssh-server"
<nebajoth>
wait, does reinstall work on apt-get?
<nebajoth>
I'm so used to aptitude
<nebajoth>
its hard to remember
<tuxbrain>
hehehe me to
<tuxbrain>
I think not
<tuxbrain>
apt-get search doesn't work either :P
<nebajoth>
:(
<nebajoth>
is aptitude in the repos?
<nebajoth>
:P
<tuxbrain>
apt-cache search instead
<nebajoth>
yayyyy apt-get works
<tuxbrain>
aptitude is damn slow on low memory devices
<nebajoth>
:(
<nebajoth>
even the command line stuff?
<tuxbrain>
yep
<nebajoth>
whyyyy
<nebajoth>
is it programmed in java?
<tuxbrain>
hahaahahaah
<nebajoth>
amirite?
<tuxbrain>
man I don't know but I have tryed it on openmoko with debian (with higher processor and 4 times ram and it was terrible slow)
<tuxbrain>
i think it just do to many things at time
<tuxbrain>
to-> too
<tuxbrain>
amirite?
<tuxbrain>
wtf amirite is?
<nebajoth>
haha
<nebajoth>
its what 16 year old american girls who have watched too much television
<nebajoth>
say
<nebajoth>
it means "Am I right?"
<nebajoth>
I mock them
<nebajoth>
by using their silly ways
<tuxbrain>
ok :P to much slang for spanish guy :D
<nebajoth>
forgive me
<nebajoth>
yes
<nebajoth>
I was just about to say
<nebajoth>
not good for international channel
<tuxbrain>
to -> too
<xakh>
sweet
<xakh>
got Quake, Doom, and Powder on my desktop in the "Games" section
<xakh>
so.
<xakh>
Think we could port a simplistic image editor?
<wolfspraul>
editor, wow
<wolfspraul>
I agree editing pics on-the-go would be nice, can save a lot of time say when you take them with your digital camera, then want to polish them
<wolfspraul>
but with 32 MB ram?
<wolfspraul>
the only hope is that we can start now, and then when Ya NanoNote comes out with more RAM, more megahertz, it will actuall work well
<tuxbrain_away>
zear proposed one actually working on dingux, don't remember the name but was like the classical "paintbrush", not bad idea not as sustitute of GIMP :P, but to edit/reate icons or fine tune simple graphics.
<xakh>
yeah, that's all I wanted
<xakh>
by the way, I don't have focus on this window much, so could you guys address me by name when you talk? It blinks xchat
<wolfspraul>
xakh: tuxbrain_away I would mostly want to be able to run imagemagick and im scripts
<xakh>
that'd be pretty sweet.
<wolfspraul>
yes but IM needs loads of memory and CPU
<wolfspraul>
graphicsmagick is more efficient but has the typical fork problems, such as IM having much much better documentation
<xakh>
hmmm
<xakh>
if we just had a basic paint program I'd be happy
<xakh>
if anyone wants to test it. I'm no good with this, so if someone wants to teach me, that'd be cool too
<nebajoth1>
hai
<nebajoth1>
I'm trying to get sound working in debian on the NN
<nebajoth1>
unfortunately, I'm not getting very far
<nebajoth1>
can someone paste me their lsmod inside the openwrt firmware?
<nebajoth1>
I have one version of it
<nebajoth1>
but it keeps loading gmenu2x
<nebajoth1>
and I have no idea how to bring up a terminal
<nebajoth1>
xiangfu: hello
<xiangfu>
nebajoth: hi
<nebajoth1>
I have a question :)
<nebajoth1>
I am trying to get sound working in debian
<nebajoth1>
on the NN
<nebajoth1>
does the openwrt firmware use oss or alsa?
<xiangfu>
nebajoth: alsa
<nebajoth1>
hmmm
<nebajoth1>
is there documentation of what you had to do to get it working in openwrt?
<xiangfu>
nebajoth: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=480 you can take a look at this.  if you mean the develop document. then you need the cpu data sheet.
<nebajoth1>
I think I just need a driver
<nebajoth1>
alsa-utils says "none loaded"
<nebajoth1>
Setting up ALSA...done (none loaded).
<xiangfu>
nebajoth: in openwrt "make menuconfig" there is "Kernel modules "
<xiangfu>
nebajoth: the sound driver is not static link to kernel image.
<xiangfu>
nebajoth: it's build as package.
<nebajoth1>
what's the module  name?
<nebajoth1>
this is the pyneo kernel
<nebajoth1>
the only thing that is from you guys is your u-boot that turns on kernel messages
<nebajoth1>
but maybe it was done the same way
<nebajoth1>
what's the module that needs to be loaded?
<xiangfu>
snd-soc-qi-lb60.ko snd-soc-jz4740-i2s.ko  snd-soc-jzcodec.ko snd-soc-jz4740.ko