<tuxbrain>
thanks vegyraupe, I don't know why I think df should not work on nand, of course I'm totally wrong :)
<vegyraupe>
:)
<vegyraupe>
all good
<vegyraupe>
I double checked myself, just to be sure ;)
<tuxbrain>
vegyraupe: have you see the vid?, the "lamp steady cam" has improved a lot image quality :P
<vegyraupe>
hehe no didn't check it yet
<wolfspraul>
tuxbrain: I saw it, it's great!
<wolfspraul>
yes the video quality is much improved
<tuxbrain>
I have detected one mistake I try to remember on next ones, comments are a little bit quick
<tuxbrain>
and of course some typos :P
<wolfspraul>
typos are cool
<jluis>
tuxbrain: kudos for the new video. I liked the way I recognized you face in the reflection on the  screen but  I'm still wondering abaut the black T-shirt you wore when doing it
<steve|m>
tuxbrain: hehe, beethovens 5th
<tuxbrain>
jluis: the FOSDEM one ;)
<jluis>
I had problems reading the text on the reflection
<tuxbrain>
steve|m: in http://www.danielbautista.com/ you will find the full version and a lot of classical covers too, this guy is really good at guitar
<tuxbrain>
is actualy shaking his head madly in front of the monitor
<steve|m>
hehe
<steve|m>
I'm always amazed again how good the sound quality of the Panasonix Lumix DMC-TZ7 is..
<tuxbrain>
me too, man that was beautiful, song is even better instrumental. wow
<steve|m>
tuxbrain: was a pretty cool day.. I was there with a few friends, and my father was working as a sound engineer for peavey this day, they had a signing hour at the peavey booth, so had a small talk with the guys and got an autograph
<tuxbrain>
feels the envy levels growing in his veins
<steve|m>
tuxbrain: hehe... but as you can see on the audience, this is a trade fair, only few people were headbanging and stuff :)
<tuxbrain>
yes, uff, I have started to thing german guys doesn't have blood in his veins man, I was surprised no pogo not jumping no tipical pushing dance... wtf just two of tree hands with "cuernos" (horns?) signs in front of this metal beauty???? now I understand
<tuxbrain>
thing->think
<tuxbrain>
vegyraupe: hi vegyraupe
<FrankBlues>
Hello?
<emdete>
Hello!
<FrankBlues>
Awakeness!
<FrankBlues>
I'm trying to diagnose a problem with my Nanonote, I'm thinking I may have found the solution...
<FrankBlues>
How does the nanonote behave when the battery is low?
<tuxbrain>
with low power screen tends to go white
<FrankBlues>
Heh, I thought I had fried the thing...I kept reflashing it thinking it was a software problem.
<tuxbrain>
that was what was happening?
<vegyraupe>
hey tuxbrain
<FrankBlues>
It looked like it was caught in a reboot loop, so I thought there was some sort of hardware issue that kept it cycling.
<tuxbrain>
ben can be a little bit picky some times but are barelly unbrickable
<FrankBlues>
I'm amazed at how resilient the ben is.
<orly_owl>
Any group buy for NanoNote in .au?
<orly_owl>
Also what is the battery life like?
<kristoffer>
orly_owl, should be links on website I guess. Or drop a mail on mailinglist.
<orly_owl>
oh ok
<kristianpaul>
orly_owl: battery life varies
<kristianpaul>
in my case it take around 4 hours to discharge  just listenting ogg
<kristianpaul>
but  read in the mail list some guy got  a nokia battery wich gives more time
<kristianpaul>
wich is great
<zear>
kristianpaul, technically, you should be able to lower the cpu clock for tasks that don't need the standard 336MHz
<zear>
that would reduce the battery usage
<zear>
ogg playback should be fine at 100 something MHz
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<kristianpaul>
i remnber gmenu2x said that too
<zear>
yes, gmenu allows for clock scaling
<zear>
you can set different clocks for each app separately
<kristianpaul>
but once is set by gmenu gmu will overwrite or just work with that freq?
<zear>
though the cpu scaling code is for jz4740, not jz4720
<kristianpaul>
ohh
<kristianpaul>
:/
<zear>
while it actually works, i don't know how bad it is :)
<kristianpaul>
hehe
<zear>
i remember someone saying it sets some values incorrectly
<zear>
but well, it works
<kristianpaul>
lol
<kristianpaul>
:)
<zear>
but anyway, gmenu2x automatically rescales the clock back to the default value that's in it's config, using the jz4740 code
<zear>
and nobody reported toasted nanonotes yet, so i guess it's safe ;)
<zear>
*rescales it after relaunch
<FrankBlues>
waves
<tuxbrain_away>
just a note about gmenu2x cpu freq, it's the guilty of the screen tilling issue, so I thing it has been removed for the next release (the cpu freq not gmenu2x) somebody correctme if I'm wrong
<urandom_>
we dont have sdl-mixer on the nanonote, have we? i am trying to run supertux on it
<zear>
i think we don't
<zear>
but you can copy the one from dingux toolchain (dirty)
<zear>
tuxbrain_away, yeah, i think it had something to do with it
<zear>
and better than removing it would be fixing it according to jz4720 values
<urandom_>
we should include it in the next image since lots of dingoo apps use sdl-mixer i think
<FrankBlues>
Would anyone be willing to answer a few silly nanonote questions?
<urandom_>
try it FrankBlues!
<FrankBlues>
Okay... does rootfs expand on its own as more files are added to it? It seems fairly small for the amount of NAND available...
<FrankBlues>
My other questions have to do with nanonote backup options, and putting debian on an SD card.
<urandom_>
uboot can boot from sd-card, you have to press M on startup, but dont know if anyone has run debian from sd yet
<urandom_>
i dont know much about the other two questions
<FrankBlues>
What about putting openwrt on the sd card?
<shevek>
FrankBlues: if by "on its own" you mean automatically, then no.  The partitions are statically sized, and it's probably hard to resize them without damaging the data on other partition(s).
<FrankBlues>
shevek: Why is the default rootfs so small then? Can you add additional partitions to take up the rest of the NAND?
<shevek>
FrankBlues: I think the rest is the data partition, isn't it?  That's for storing everything that shouldn't be lost when flashing a new rootfs (not sure if it works that way, though).  Note that I'm not actually using the openwrt stuff; I'm writing a new kernel instead.  So I could be wrong about these things. ;-)
<tuxbrain_away>
people can you confirm is tuxbrain.com is down? or is just my network?
<urandom_>
i heared about this new kernel, what ist it about shevek?
<FrankBlues>
tuxbrain isn't returning pings.
<shevek>
tuxbrain_away: It isn't showing a website either
<FrankBlues>
sorry, I should be more clear: tuxbrain.com isn't returning pings.
<shevek>
FrankBlues: :-)
<tuxbrain_away>
humm
<FrankBlues>
shevek: I'm not seeing the extra space in df... the only thing that's being reported (besides things like /proc and /dev) are ubi0:rootfs mounted as / and the sd card I have mounted as /mnt/mmcblk0p1
<shevek>
urandom_: It's mostly inspired by what the Hurd should be.  Its main feature is that it uses capabilities, which means that to do anything, a program must be explicitly allowed to do it.  For example, to open a file, a capability to a directory is required.
<shevek>
urandom_: When a program is started, it gets initial capabilities from its parent.  Anything it doesn't need, it doesn't get (the parent decides what it needs).
<shevek>
urandom_: This leads to very much improved security, and more importantly, IMO, it allows users to do everything they want, without ever needing to ask the system administrator (except if they need actual hardware rights).
<urandom_>
shevek sounds interesting, have you released some alpha of it yet?
<shevek>
urandom_: The source is available.  At the moment it only boots using usbboot, but I'm currently working to be able to boot it from NAND and (via u-boot) from SD.
<shevek>
urandom_: It doesn't actually do much yet, though. ;-)
<urandom_>
where can i find the source?
<urandom_>
well i did not expect it to do much yet, a kernel is pretty complicated
<shevek>
FrankBlues: In that case I don't know how it is organized.
<FrankBlues>
shevek: S'allright. Thanks for the help, though!
<shevek>
urandom_: If you succeed in building it, please write a report of what you did on the wiki.  I think it may not be so easy as I would like it to be.
<urandom_>
well if i succed ;) , but yeah i will
<shevek>
urandom_: Thanks :-)
<shevek>
urandom_: If things don't work, just ask. :-)
<FrankBlues>
Note to self: don't backup /proc.
<urandom_>
oh iris if also for trendtac,
<urandom_>
is
<shevek>
urandom_: That's what I wrote it originally for, but I haven't tested it and am pretty sure that all my changes to the boot process have broken things on it.
<shevek>
I haven't tested it lately, that is.  I did test it originally, of course.
<shevek>
One reason that the NanoNote is much nicer is that all datasheets are available.  For the trendtac, I don't have the programmer's manual for the Jz4730,
<urandom_>
how portable is iris? will it be hard to port it to other devices?
<shevek>
urandom_: I tried to keep it sort of portable, but especially the drivers are written specifically for the NanoNote (or Trendtac) hardware.  To to other mips should be relatively easy.  To port to another architecture would mean rewriting most of the boot system.  It's not that hard when you know what it's doing, but it is some work.
<shevek>
urandom_: Iris itself (the kernel) isn't so large anyway.  Everything which doesn't run priviledged (so it can't access I/O) is completely portable, it only depends on the interfaces with other programs.
<shevek>
urandom_: For security and portability considerations, the priviledged programs can be considered part of the kernel.  But even if you count them, the kernel isn't very large.
<DingooDigitalUSA>
I'm trying to install a sepcific driver
<DingooDigitalUSA>
not the one listed under driver manger
<steve|m>
DingooDigitalUSA: and, what doesn't work when launching it with sudo in a text console (xorg shut down first)
<FrankBlues>
Ok, so on the default distribution, will the rootfs grow to fit the onboard NAND, or can you create more partitions if you want to use more space?
<steve|m>
tuxbrain_away: I can run C-code on a mtk phone :)
<tuxbrain_away>
wow!
<tuxbrain_away>
now why don't just port a simple app....  I found something called "kernel linux" or something like that written in C :P
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain_away: yes i think you can tun multiple arduinos in SAKC from what i see
<kristianpaul>
s/tun/run
<kristianpaul>
actually even a mico32
<steve|m>
tuxbrain_away: hrhr.. well, next thing is a proper uart driver.. currently I just write somethign to the TX register in a loop and watch my console getting spammed :)
<tuxbrain_away>
steve|m: no now seriously really good news thanks for sharing
<tuxbrain_away>
kristianpaul: that's also really good news too :), so SACK can Help on Milkymist development too :)
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain_away: yeah ! that came to my mine some weeks ago
<kristianpaul>
both projects can coperate
<kristianpaul>
other crazy ideai i have is that it could may run gnuradio stuff
<kristianpaul>
in some level i think
<kristianpaul>
but that needs some doughther baords and sofware development
<tuxbrain_away>
In arduino world we call it a shield :P
<kristianpaul>
:)
<tuxbrain_away>
and a library
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain_away: and if you sell SAKC i could order one too ;)
<kristianpaul>
i think is in line comptetition of AVNET Spartan board of 50USD
<steve|m>
hm, pretty cool stuff.. I wanted to get started with fpgas quite a while ago, so maybe its about time :)
<steve|m>
yes, know this page.. I hope my OpenBench logic sniffer arrives soon
<kristianpaul>
ohh
<kristianpaul>
good
<tuxbrain_away>
the avnet spartan also includes a mips procesor?
<kristianpaul>
not actually
<tuxbrain_away>
I think there are not much boards with procesor +fpga in one, I'm right?
<kristianpaul>
nope at all
<kristianpaul>
the use jus a microcntroller to load the bitstreams
<kristianpaul>
actually Carlos Camargo loves FPGA + Procesors in all its designs
<kristianpaul>
so thats interesting :)
<tuxbrain_away>
ok, also about price... don't expect to be much cheaper than BNN
<kristianpaul>
nope :(
<kristianpaul>
i guess will kidn expensive
<tuxbrain_away>
what is expensive for you
<tuxbrain_away>
?
<kristianpaul>
99usd is expensive
<tuxbrain_away>
ok :)
<tuxbrain_away>
and for the rest of the world? :P
<kristianpaul>
well i guess too
<kristianpaul>
G8 is too small and there are more contries and potencials hackers outthere
<kristianpaul>
wich can not buy this technologies yet
<kristianpaul>
so still expensive ;)
<kristianpaul>
for the rest of the world
<tuxbrain_away>
mmm interesting approach
<kristianpaul>
hope XO-3 will change that
<kristianpaul>
but that's other project :)
<tuxbrain_away>
kristian if import/export not was so a nightmare (really it is) , and each customs you have to crooss is just a price increacing, but that other part of the history us as distributor/manufacuters have hack :)
<tuxbrain_away>
have ->have to
<kristianpaul>
i bet for personal mufacturing as and alternative
<kristianpaul>
to break some process in way we acess ant think about goods
<kristianpaul>
have a reprap and a cupcake at home
<kristianpaul>
s/cupcake/from makerbot
<kristianpaul>
i know it is simple stuff
<kristianpaul>
that you can mek
<kristianpaul>
make
<kristianpaul>
but is an starting point
<kristianpaul>
chips and screen needs long time research :)
<tuxbrain_away>
mmm I'm more on the wolfgang line of more than DIY, let's success to enlage volumes to low the price to be able to reach that low resources countries with cheap products.
<kristianpaul>
that true is some way
<kristianpaul>
so far ;)
<tuxbrain_away>
mmm not so, really
<tuxbrain_away>
of course what you consider far?
<kristianpaul>
good point
<tuxbrain_away>
one year is far?
<kristianpaul>
i near :)
<kristianpaul>
s/i/is
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: as a hardware business (us = all qi/copyleft hardware believers), it is our mission to drive prices down
<wolfspraul>
down = zero
<wolfspraul>
bringing prices down is a good thing
<kristianpaul>
zero?
<kristianpaul>
but..
<kristianpaul>
ohh
<wolfspraul>
it is outright fantastic what kind of computing power you can buy nowadays for a few hundred USD
<tuxbrain_away>
that is your motto wolf :)
<wolfspraul>
that is only possible thanks to the billions and billions invested by the HW industry
<wolfspraul>
if you go the DIY/reprap direction, the computers will cost millions of USD again
<wolfspraul>
for each one of course
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
so no, I don't believe in that
<wolfspraul>
I believe in building a large, great machine
<wolfspraul>
that costs losts of money
<wolfspraul>
but then it can automate & produce millions of high-tech chips/computers for low money each one
<wolfspraul>
and of course this machine can be anywhere in the world
<kristianpaul>
good point
<wolfspraul>
but you should be very cold blooded when it comes to price
<wolfspraul>
Carlos just had a painful lesson again.
<wolfspraul>
there is a delay with the new SAKC boards
<wolfspraul>
and why? because he trusted a local PCB vendor (local = Colombian)
<wolfspraul>
if he would have ordered it from pcbcart.com (in Hanghzou/China), he would get it cheaper and faster!
<wolfspraul>
so who is suffering now? Carlos :-)
<wolfspraul>
he is loosing time and money
<wolfspraul>
so...
<wolfspraul>
if some components or work steps can be done most efficiently in Colombia, great. Let's do the investment, then Colombia can do this, not just for itself, but maybe also for neighboring countries, maybe for the whole world if they are really good at it.
<gbraad>
wolfspraul didn't you intervene and told him to go to pcbcart?
<wolfspraul>
shipping everything aroudn the world is stupid. but breaking great investments such as those into IC or LCM fabs into thousands of little reprap IC fabs is even more stupid.
<wolfspraul>
no
<wolfspraul>
I visited pcbcart in Hangzhou instead :-)
<gbraad>
just wondered
<wolfspraul>
just happened to be there
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: so there are two different things here
<wolfspraul>
one is whether you know how to do something, and on that end I fully and totally support the idea of diy/reprap etc.
<wolfspraul>
knowledge should be free
<wolfspraul>
but then the next question is whether you should use your knowledge in such a way that you ahve to do everything you know yourself, or that even with what you know, you can let others work for you if that makes more sense
<wolfspraul>
and that is a separate decision to make
<kristianpaul>
i understand we realy in others
<kristianpaul>
is not all our selfs
<wolfspraul>
yes. in fact the more you know and understand, the more confident you should be in letting others help you.
<wolfspraul>
that goes in all directions of course.
<wolfspraul>
it's not a one-way street
<wolfspraul>
let me give you an example about Brazil
<gbraad>
wolfspraul: that statement is general for any 'good' manager. know the abilities of the people and trust them. like: steer them, but not take away initiative from them
<wolfspraul>
Brazil has high import taxes on assembled electronics
<kristianpaul>
the thing is we already now there are cheaps way of making stuff, but, what they do? sell cheap or just close thaen seld and take advantage of the situation
<wolfspraul>
but for parts, they are lower
<wolfspraul>
because Brazil thinks that's how they can employ locals
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
problem is: assembly & testing are tighly integrated, and efficient
<wolfspraul>
very very efficient
<wolfspraul>
so you cannot separate all this
<wolfspraul>
so what happens is in China, they _ADD_ another disassembly step after having assembled & tested everything
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
then it goes to Brazil
<wolfspraul>
through customs on the lower tack ticket
<wolfspraul>
then it's reassembled again
<wolfspraul>
how stupid is that?
<wolfspraul>
of course indeed more people are employed now
<gbraad>
the standard kit trick, final assembly done in.
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: sorry didn't understand your last point
<wolfspraul>
"we know there are cheap ways of making things"?
<wolfspraul>
you should focus on adding value
<wolfspraul>
you may be able to add value in many ways
<tuxbrain_away>
gbraad: in Craig house, sorry I can't stand :P
<wolfspraul>
once you know how and where to add value, if the product's knowledge is really free, you will be able to do it
<urandom_>
well doing everything youself/locally gives you much indypendence but is very inefectiv so you have to find a way between it
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: i meant things can get made at low prices
<wolfspraul>
if the product's knowledge is not free, you may have a great opportunity right in front of you, but you cannot get at it because iNanny doesn't let you. the mothership wants to control everything.
<kristianpaul>
aha
<kristianpaul>
agree
<wolfspraul>
but you shouldn't go the other extreme and try to bake every IC in your kitchen oven
<wolfspraul>
you may have a lot of fun, but definitely will go bankrupt soon :-)
<gbraad>
tuxbrain_away: huh? didn't get it :-P
<kristianpaul>
:)
<wolfspraul>
actually ICs are not baked, but you get my point...
<kristianpaul>
yes i know that
<wolfspraul>
some people try to do SMT in their oven, or rather hacked-into ovens
<kristianpaul>
even i think about it all time
<wolfspraul>
no it's nonsense
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
in free software, we trust each other, right?
<tuxbrain_away>
sorry, is related on openpadora project, the finally pretend to mount on the house of one of the promoter/owner
<gbraad>
baking chips makes them more crispy ;)
<wolfspraul>
if you fix a bug, and commit something, I happily download your latest version and run it on my computer
<kristianpaul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
free software is built on a trust principle between all the people that participate
<wolfspraul>
obviously this goes for hardware too
<wolfspraul>
if there is an IC or LCM fab, why shouldn't we trust it?
<wolfspraul>
they make great TFTs for 8 USD a piece (for example)
<wolfspraul>
let's just buy from them!
<wolfspraul>
someone invested 2 billion USD into the fab
<wolfspraul>
THANK YOU!
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<gbraad>
tuxbrain_away I have followed the openpandor people, but lost interest: took them too long to deliver
<wolfspraul>
the only thing I want (speaking for myself) is that they don't tie me into NDAs
<wolfspraul>
they publish all their tech data, datasheets, everything
<kristianpaul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
so that I can still go after my busines opportunities
<wolfspraul>
without always asking for permission
<wolfspraul>
but the fact that they can sell me this product for 8 USD, after having invested x billion USD, is a great great thing, for me and everybody else
<wolfspraul>
that's how I see it at least...
<kristianpaul>
but that big machine you pointed is based on the fact ...
<kristianpaul>
cause having avaliable everywhere have implaction
<kristianpaul>
the knowledge about how to use/build it need to be pass it
<wolfspraul>
yes sure, we are on the same page
<wolfspraul>
copyleft hardware
<kristianpaul>
pass it with no disclosure
<wolfspraul>
knowledge should be free, to keep everybody honest, to avoid all the nasty iNanny side-effects we all know
<wolfspraul>
but that doesnt' mean I don't appreciate the fact that a big capital investment by someone can be very beneficial to me
<wolfspraul>
I don't want to DIY everything. it won't work.
<kristianpaul>
of course
<wolfspraul>
if there is a bridge across a large river, even if it cost a lot of money to build, and they charge a high toll fee, I probably still prefer it to swimming through the river :-)
<wolfspraul>
(strange comparison, not related to copyleft :-))
<kristianpaul>
now i think what is swimming
<wolfspraul>
I was pissed once that the Verrazano bridge in NY was so expensive - 9 USD to ride over it once with a car.
<wolfspraul>
Really pissed. Until I realized it's still far far better than the huge detour I would have to take without, or even to swim through the river.
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
ouch, Wikipedia tells me Verrazano is now 11 USD / car
<wolfspraul>
good thing I'm not in NY much anymore...
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: back to SAKC, you can think which part of the board we can make in Colombia
<wolfspraul>
Carlos is already trying, but the first attempt with the PCB was painful I think
<wolfspraul>
maybe PCB or SMT?
<wolfspraul>
we'll see...
<kristianpaul>
PCB here is painfull
<wolfspraul>
how about SMT?
<kristianpaul>
dont know really
<kristianpaul>
there are few
<kristianpaul>
wich can do that
<wolfspraul>
ok
<kristianpaul>
so few here = bad thing
<wolfspraul>
always keep the (global) alternatives in mind
<kristianpaul>
in  generals
<kristianpaul>
i do
<wolfspraul>
look for business opportunities, not for opportunities to do everything yourself
<wolfspraul>
the latter will just not work, ever
<kristianpaul>
actully my reprap was made thanks to the later
<kristianpaul>
there are good prices out there ;)
<wolfspraul>
well I hope you do it for the learning experience
<wolfspraul>
you can learn tons of things that way, and that is great
<kristianpaul>
yeah
<wolfspraul>
now - how do you apply that knowledge?
<wolfspraul>
that's the next level
<kristianpaul>
i guess about reprap and i saw people doing, that convine this technology with cheal already made stuff (vitamins) could generate derivatives wich can compete with high tech 3D closed source printings
<kristianpaul>
that is not bad i think
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: ?
<kristianpaul>
i fair for a better copyleft world, no?
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: my mind is 100% focused on copylefting the NanoNote, so I really cannot say anything about vitamins
<wolfspraul>
I am digging around the tech details of this little computer
<kristianpaul>
ok
<wolfspraul>
then maybe how to add GPS, how to add a good open/free RF capability, etc.
<wolfspraul>
you know much more about reprap than me, so you tell me about it. I listen :-)
<wolfspraul>
I just talk about my little clamshell computer...
<kristianpaul>
:)
<wolfspraul>
I just went for a good visit at our keyboard factory, and was impressed.
<wolfspraul>
and no, I don't want to compete with that in any way :-)
<wolfspraul>
there is a reason these guys are successfully and profitably making 5 million keyboard per month
<wolfspraul>
in that factory alone
<kristianpaul>
wow
<wolfspraul>
that's 60 million a year!
<wolfspraul>
(assuming the numbers they gave me are accurate, but I have no reason to not believe them right now)
<wolfspraul>
6500 people working there
<wolfspraul>
and lots of high-tech too
<wolfspraul>
clean rooms
<wolfspraul>
unbelievable machines, for plating, lasering, etc.
<wolfspraul>
and in the end a notebook keyboard costs 10-30 USD
<wolfspraul>
THANK YOU!
<wolfspraul>
very very good job
<wolfspraul>
I have absolutely nothing to say or do that could improve any of this.
<wolfspraul>
so I just shut up, open my wallet, pay 10-30 USD, and buy a keyboard from them :-)
<wolfspraul>
if you want to compete with that with your reprap, go ahead. We'll see...
<kristianpaul>
i have other markets
<wolfspraul>
(of course that's a bit unfair, like I said I love reprap for its learning potential)
<wolfspraul>
sure sure
<wolfspraul>
I was a bit unfair :-)
<wolfspraul>
just impressed by that factory visit...
<kristianpaul>
learning is the market in my case :)
<kristianpaul>
and experiment
<wolfspraul>
well for that all these DIY things are unbeatable
<wolfspraul>
werner uses a cheap lamination device he hacked into to print his pcbs
<kristianpaul>
about the fab visits what's is next?
<wolfspraul>
and his own acid solution for etching
<wolfspraul>
not sure, what's next. Next is Elphel. Great GPL licensed camera makers.
<kristianpaul>
:)
<wolfspraul>
in China, maybe the hinge guys
<wolfspraul>
hinge guys, then plastic injection guys (the ones making the plastic parts)
<kristianpaul>
i read about a university too about chips manufacturing processes?
<wolfspraul>
yes, true
<wolfspraul>
that one too, but that will need a bit more time
<kristianpaul>
ok
<wolfspraul>
first step now is Elphel, I want to do that right
<wolfspraul>
I think that's a great company and product, and they have a lot to say, lots of experience to share.
<wolfspraul>
maybe we can work with them somehow, primarily to bring the price of the product down
<wolfspraul>
also I become more interested in the LCM controller ICs lately
<wolfspraul>
so maybe I try to find some of those guys
<wolfspraul>
problem is power consumption in the (mobile) CPU is pretty much maxed out
<wolfspraul>
nowadays what needs all the power is the backlight & LCM
<gbraad>
wolfspraul: just a note. You know the Leopardboard guys? Leopard Imaging
<wolfspraul>
leopardboard, no
<wolfspraul>
another TI thing?
<gbraad>
eh, yeah
<wolfspraul>
beagle, hawk, leopard?
<wolfspraul>
argh
<gbraad>
I knew it
<gbraad>
:P
<gbraad>
The Elphel uses a Etrax CRIS. very exotic cpu
<wolfspraul>
discontinued
<wolfspraul>
so they have to switch to a TI chip now
<wolfspraul>
davinci? forgot...
<gbraad>
the leopard uses a dm365
<gbraad>
same
<gbraad>
DaVinci series
<wolfspraul>
so you want me to tell them to look at the leopardboard?
<gbraad>
hmmm... hmmm... difficult to answer
<gbraad>
at least they produce a VERY cheap product, but also use good quality ccd's; aptina
<gbraad>
Leopardboard is partly backed by Ridgerun for the software stack
<wolfspraul>
how much is the leopardboard?
<gbraad>
84 USD
<gbraad>
Sorry for interrupting you by the way.
<gbraad>
:)
<gbraad>
BTW, booked a ticket for the 4th of June (¬). So from the second week of June I would be available. If you want to make an appointment, just let me know. But I will now really be off, 4am.
<wolfspraul>
'night
<wolfspraul>
I'm with Jon in San Francisco
<wolfspraul>
looked at the leopardboard
<gbraad>
Ah, send him my greetings :)
<wolfspraul>
wouldn't know what to do with it, but thanks for the pointer first time I hear about it
<wolfspraul>
next maybe? lionboard?
<wolfspraul>
turtleboard?
<wolfspraul>
I'm sure we will find out soon...
<gbraad>
it is a platform we eventually used at the ministry of defence in holland. the elphel was too expensive and dififcult to deal with for software development