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<zenspider> seanstickle: I'm trying to visualize my workouts (weightlifting) which are a bit different because they're not the usual sets/reps x weight thing. they're weight x time-until-muscle-failure
<zenspider> I'm trying to map the weight & time in such a way that I get a good visualization of improvement over time
<zenspider> (per exercise)
<zenspider> I looked at work/energy formula and they don't seem to apply because they're all dependent on distance... and potential energy didn't seem like a good fit
<seanstickle> Oh, you want one of them mechanical physicists
<boobah> overthinking your workout is a good way to avoid it
<zenspider> other than fudging something like weight^2 * time (weight _seems_ more important than time) or adding a dampening factor to time... I dunno what would be a good way of mapping
<oddmunds> or make it more interesting
<zenspider> boobah: I leg pressed you and 4 of your friends today. I'm not avoiding shit.
<seanstickle> I'm more of a metaphysicist
<seanstickle> Different branch
<seanstickle> :)
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<zenspider> bah
<zenspider> same reason why I'm not asking my bestie who has a phd in nuclear chem :)
<zenspider> so I can whip up some code to parse my files and provide textual descriptions of deltas... eg up 5#, down 8s... that's just workout to workout. I really need to see it over time
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<seanstickle> Well, if you were lifting either Final Causes (me) or plutonium (your friend), we'd be able to help.
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<zenspider> more dirty uranium bombs... but yeah. :)
<seanstickle> Well, and my specialty is more in terms of Generation and Corruption
<seanstickle> But there is some wiggle room
<zenspider> hah
<zenspider> corruption is how I feel afterwards... for sure.
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<boobah> lollegpress
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<imperator> zenspider, isn't "until failure" just 1 set, x reps?
<imperator> or are you doing the same exercise until failure multiple times?
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<boobah> leg press is for those who don't squat
<boobah> a more efficient exercise
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<imperator> and then your back goes out
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<boobah> imperator: only if you do it wrong
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<imperator> boobah, and sooner or later....you'll do it wrong
<boobah> imperator: i'm constantly doing it wrong
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<zenspider> boobah: you're a weak troll. go back to school
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<bnagy> I think if you graph it you're going to see something like a 1/x curve
<zenspider> cool! I got one more thing to release and then I'll poke at that
<zenspider> aaaand no more things to release. yay
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<bnagy> but with a hard limit
<bnagy> so your improvement over time I guess would be the shape of that curve
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<zenspider> haha: "again, all the energy is lost in the non ideality of the motor."
<zenspider> bnagy: why a 1/x curve?
<bnagy> like you can improve by a) increasing your hard limit (can I lift it at all) and b) changing the shape of the curve
<bnagy> well say you have force on y and time on x
<bnagy> very heavy weight will be a very short time
<bnagy> very light ones will be as long as you want
<zenspider> oh! right. no. I want to visualize from workout to workout so it'll be y vs t where t is the date and y is... impulse or something
<bnagy> not saying it's exactly that but that's what it will look like
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<bnagy> well I don't know if you can use points very well that way
<zenspider> and oddly... some muscles won't graph that way. dunno why but my quads can do pretty much any weight and ALWAYS craps out at 60s +/- 10s
<zenspider> dunno why, but they have a very fast drop off point
<bnagy> they're big muscles
<bnagy> you can't compensate for them when they die
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<bnagy> anyway, I'd probably start by graphing multiple data points per exercise and then fitting points from similar times to curves and then comparing those curves
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<zenspider> thanks
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<phrankk> test
<phrankk> yeah
<phrankk> hy
<phrankk> just trying to get some rb code running on xubuntu :))
<scientes> phrankk, debian has switched to 1.9 as the default
<phrankk> with sudo i installed a gem ... but when i try to run some example code "require: command not found"
<phrankk> ok
<phrankk> but i need 1.8 *afaik* for my gems
<scientes> phrankk, you have to add the gem bin path
<scientes> gem environment to figure out what it is
<phrankk> ok thanks
<phrankk> export GEM_HOME=
<phrankk> u mean this?
<zenspider> require command not found?
<phrankk> yes
<zenspider> that's not a normal error message
<zenspider> that looks more like you didn't set a shebang
<zenspider> bash: blah: command not found
<phrankk> mom pls - send u the right error metg
<scientes> phrankk, PATH=/the/gem/dir/:PATH
<scientes> phrankk, PATH=/the/gem/dir/:$PATH
<scientes> second one is correct
<scientes> put export at the beginning
<phrankk> how to find it?=
<scientes> if you don't have to prefix each command with that
<zenspider> you don't need to reexport exported variables
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<zenspider> PATH is always exported
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<phrankk> how to find the right path?
<scientes> gem environmet
<zenspider> I don't think it's your path... not yet
<scientes> gem is, if you installed it with apt-get
<phrankk> /var/lib/gems/1.8
<phrankk> i think thats the dir
<scientes> no
<phrankk> :((U
<scientes> something like this: - EXECUTABLE DIRECTORY: /usr/local/bin
<phrankk> OK :)
<phrankk> i got it
<scientes> (not every gem installs a command)
<zenspider> still no error message...
<phrankk> gem environemnt << thats the command =)
<phrankk> thank you!!!1
<scientes> ^^^you need a error message
<phrankk> u post it!!
<phrankk> - GEM PATHS:
<phrankk> - /var/lib/gems/1.8
<phrankk> - /home/incognito/.gem/ruby/1.8
<scientes> phrankk, you can also use gem2deb to install gems
<phrankk> fuck
<phrankk> sry. iam total confused now
<phrankk> i will try to explain my problem again:
<zenspider> that's because (I suspect) scientes is sending you off on a wild goose chase
<scientes> *paste* your problem
<phrankk> 1. i install the required gems with: "sudo gem install konto_check"
<zenspider> (using a paste service if > 4 lines)
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<phrankk> 2. try to run the example code with: "ruby mini.rb"
<phrankk> mini.rb:1:in `require': no such file to load -- konto_check (LoadError)
<scientes> phrankk, did it correctly install?
<scientes> cause it needs a c library
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<phrankk> scientes: what do you prefer me to do now to install it in a clean way ?
<drbrain> phrankk: since you're on 1.8, did you require 'rubygems' ?
<scientes> what did "sudo gem install konto_check" output?
<phrankk> i first installed the ruby1.9 vers.
<scientes> ^^^^that too
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<scientes> or you can do ruby -rubygems mini.rb
<phrankk> Successfully installed konto_check-0.2.1
<phrankk> 1 gem installed
<phrankk> Installing ri documentation for konto_check-0.2.1...
<phrankk> Installing RDoc documentation for konto_check-0.2.1...
<zenspider> GAH. german C code!
<drbrain> phrankk: stop pasting into the channel
<phrankk> sorry
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<deryl> hahaha , german c
<deryl> niiice
<zenspider> this works for me:
<zenspider> gem i -i xxx konto_check --no-ri --no-rdoc; GEM_PATH=xxx ruby -rubygems -e 'require "konto_check"'
<phrankk> what are standing the first xxx for?
<zenspider> this also works for me:
<zenspider> gem19 i -i yyy konto_check --no-ri --no-rdoc; GEM_PATH=yyy ruby19 -e 'require "konto_check"'
<zenspider> literal xxx
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<phrankk> i dont works for me :(((
<phrankk> are owning me ???
<zenspider> gem env | grep RUBY.VERSION; ruby -v
<zenspider> `gem env version` too
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<zenspider> or that
<zenspider> I guess he doesn't WANT it to work
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<erikh> I can't believe this code still works
<erikh> haven't touched it in at least 5 years
<banisterfiend> you have magic code fingers
<zenspider> 10 println "hello world"
<zenspider> 20 goto 10
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<erikh> banisterfiend: it's that talkfilters code
<zenspider> still works!
<erikh> runs fine on 1.9.3
<erikh> I guess the API hasn't changed as much as I suspected it would
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<imperator> 'sup yo
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<rue> You soup
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<andrewvos> Damn I shouldn't look at hacker news so early in the morning. Now I'm all upset.
<andrewvos> "Yes, PHP has a better dependency manager than any other languages."
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<darix> andrewvos: being proud of having satsolver bindings ...
<darix> well
<darix> ruby bindings exist since 2009
<darix> and as far as i know bundler will use libsolv or atleast the SATsolver algorithm too in the future
<rking> It's so funny. I keep hearing all this PHP ♥ lately.
<rking> I'm not going to fight it.
<darix> rking: he forgets to mention that many of the features he praises are broken
<darix> e.g. namespaces
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<heftig> php uses the local charset for class names
<heftig> guess what happens when characters like "I" aren't in the local alphabet (e.g. in turkish)
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<rking> darix: At work, we compared Yii and Rails. I was willing to give Yii a real shot, because the other 2 devs on the project don't know Ruby at all. I took one look at all the array("hi" => array("bye" => 1)); verbosity and thought, "Seriously?"
<darix> rking: you can use [] now in php 5.4!!!!
<rking> You can actually prepend the phrase "Ruby equivalent: " then do "{ hi: { bye: 1 }}" and it still comes out shorter.
<rking> darix: Aha, it's a 5.4 thing. Gentoo installed 5.3
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<rking> darix: Radical, groundbreaking features. Now Knuth is going to have to rewrite TAoCP for PHP 5.4.
<rking> Oops, nonsarcastic addendum: The "Ruby equivalent" thing only worked because it was a proportional font. You actually go over by 1 char.
<banisterfiend> rking: lol @ php
<banisterfiend> rking: u should have pushed rails harder
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<banisterfiend> rking: now you're locked into php for the rest of your life and will die a bitter and angry man
<rking> banisterfiend: It pushed itself. I gave the PHP idea as serious a chance as I possibly could.
<rking> banisterfiend: Now I won't get to write phpry, though. =(
<banisterfiend> rking: why cant u?
<rking> Because we're not going to use PHP.
<banisterfiend> rking: oh what are oyu using?
<rking> The Rubies Language.
<banisterfiend> oh i must have misread something hehe
<banisterfiend> didnt you just say you were using php? :)
<rking> I'm not placing any bets on my communication skills (especially not this early in the morning). What happened: Last week a guy had all week to make something using Yii that would demonstrate that PHP actually can not-suck. At the end of the week it became clear that it's never going to happen, so I whipped out (using my feeble Rails skills) something that ended the debate.
<banisterfiend> cool
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<andrewvos> PHP is a piece of shit. If you're arguing that it's great, it's basically the same as a religious choice.
<andrewvos> I don't need to read articles. I have experience.
<andrewvos> Nothing is going to make PHP any better. Especially not some pep-talk.
<bnagy> I don't need to experience it, I have articles
<andrewvos> The beatings will continue until you like PHP.
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<banisterfiend> is 'linux journal' still a big thing? or has it faded into obscurity recently?
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<erikh> banisterfiend: it's still a great place to get summations of LKML
<erikh> other than that? meh.
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<erikh> summaries
<erikh> feh
<banisterfiend> erikh: what's LKML
<erikh> linux kernel mailing list
<bnagy> yeah I'd be embarassed to be on the cover
<banisterfiend> not exactly the 'cover', more like little box on the bottom left corner ;)
<erikh> what site am I thinking of? I don't think it's linux journal.
<erikh> every now and then I run across detailed articles on the kernel from there
<erikh> damnit. I wish I could remember.
<ddfreyne> what's so wrong with the linux journal?
<erikh> nothing imo, it's just not something I read
<banisterfiend> erikh: what color theme do you use?
<erikh> what do you mean?
<banisterfiend> erikh: in your editor
<erikh> twilight
<erikh> for vim
<erikh> if you use vim I can upload it somewhere
<erikh> it used to be kind of hard to find, not sure now
<banisterfiend> erikh: is it the same as emacs twilight? ill show u my rendition holdon
<banisterfiend> u tell me if its' right
<banisterfiend> erikh: can u show a screenshto?
<erikh> yeah, sec.
<banisterfiend> erikh: this si my rendition of the emacs twilight, not sure how close it is to your one: http://cl.ly/0v3K3s0K020i1X3i0d3m
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<erikh> pretty close!
<bnagy> does anyone use slyphons zk thing by any chance?
<erikh> I did while I was playing with it, seemed to work alright
<ddfreyne> what font is that?
<erikh> Menlo i think
<ddfreyne> I do know it, but can't put my finger on it
<erikh> let me check
<bnagy> I'm having not very much luck at all :/ I think my patterns are broken
<erikh> ah, Inconsolata
<erikh> got everything checked into source control these days, sometimes I forget.
<banisterfiend> completely different
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<banisterfiend> erikh: thanks
<erikh> yeah I guess so
<ddfreyne> yeah, I use Menlo most of th etime
<ddfreyne> used to use inconsolata a lot too
<erikh> I think there's a converter out there if you want my .vim file
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<erikh> I like it, it's mostly great in the sunlight
<andrewvos> vim-powerline + inconsolata ftw
<erikh> comments are a little dark
<erikh> powerline is a theme?
<andrewvos> It is now
<andrewvos> not*
<andrewvos> It is not
<banisterfiend> wow this guy is awesome http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2012/07/f6534e485e.gif
<erikh> what is it?
<whitequark> erikh: seriously, screenshots in jpeg?
<andrewvos> hahahaha
<andrewvos> ahahah
<erikh> whitequark: it's skitch
<andrewvos> banisterfiend: it's in reverse
<andrewvos> /captain obvious
<erikh> frankly being able to hit cmd+shift+6 and not care is good enough for me
<andrewvos> OMG it's not
<erikh> screen shots are srs bsns
<erikh> wow, naked guy's got game
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<andrewvos> heh
<andrewvos> In the full video they get him
<erikh> oh I'll bet
<erikh> cops, at least american cops, are the most persistent, anal fuckers out there
<erikh> most of them are nice guys off-duty, but sheeeeit
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* andrewvos imagines erikh saying that in a creepy sex predator kind of way
<andrewvos> "oh I'll bet"
<erikh> "have a seat"
<matti> andrewvos: Uuu... Uu...
<matti> andrewvos: Bad mental images.
<matti> :<
<andrewvos> They got him good
<erikh> oh I'll bet there were a few batons involved after that stunt
<erikh> maybe a taser
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* matti nearly got fined for jay walking ;]
<matti> Old habits from UK die hard ;p
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<erikh> urban area?
<matti> No iea.
<erikh> rural areas tend to care more about that crap
<matti> The most important was to get coffee quicker ;p
<workmad3> matti: in germany?
<matti> erikh: Seattle
<erikh> really?!
<workmad3> ah, america
<matti> erikh: Yes.
<erikh> wow.
<matti> erikh: And the Policeman was the most unpleasant one.
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<matti> I hate US police.
<erikh> oh yeah, they're that way
<workmad3> I have heard that jay walking is finable in some US cities... depends a lot on city AFAIK
<erikh> right, it is, but rarely enforced
<erikh> especially in cities.
<matti> workmad3: In London I jay walk together with the Policeman standing next to me.
<matti> workmad3: UK people seem to have more common sense ;d
<erikh> meh
<workmad3> matti: in manchester, the way to cross some roads is to stop halfway while traffic clears on the other half of the road :)
<matti> workmad3: Same in London.
<erikh> SF is like that too
<matti> erikh: No. I got told off for JW in SF too ;d
<workmad3> matti: or weave through a queue of traffic waiting at lights :)
<matti> erikh: Close to China Town.
<erikh> I live close to SF and have never seen that
<erikh> surprising.
<erikh> (work in SoMA)
<workmad3> matti: kinda makes you laugh at the old 'stop, look, listen, live' campaigns, doesn't it? :)
<matti> erikh: I could not stand waiting in boiling sun for the green light when there was hardly any traffic.
<matti> workmad3: Haha
<matti> workmad3: True :)
<erikh> SF, boiling sun? you must be from the UK :P
<matti> erikh: Its damn hot there ;p
<matti> erikh: For me ;p
<erikh> try going to philly or baltimore or atlanta
<matti> erikh: I am used to wind and rain ;p
<erikh> SF is actually pretty cool
<workmad3> erikh: 'boiling sun' is anything over 20 degrees C, IMO :P
<erikh> temperature-wise
<matti> workmad3: Haha
<matti> workmad3: It was 28-something C
<workmad3> matti: eww
<matti> workmad3: I was dying.
<erikh> yeah SF is right around there usually.
<workmad3> matti: yeah, that's way too hot
<erikh> the east coast cities have a lot more humidity
<erikh> and intense heat.
<matti> erikh: Its not the heat.
<matti> erikh: Its the humidity.
<erikh> right, that's the killer.
<matti> erikh: Everything stick to you and you are sticky too.
<workmad3> matti: I've been told that before... I think the heat on its own is just bad
<matti> erikh: And jeans soak like a sponge.
<erikh> but when it's 90F and 80% humidity
<erikh> hell
<workmad3> matti: the sticky is the crap-flavoured icing on the burning cake
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<matti> workmad3: Hehe
<matti> I remember August in Canada.
<erikh> oh yeah toronto is supposedly bad too
<matti> Waterloo and Toronto was like that too.
<erikh> humidity-wise
<matti> Um.
<matti> I need to prepare for heat going to Japan mid-August.
<erikh> hrm, I think I'm gonna hit the hay
<erikh> it's almost 5am here. night all :)
<matti> Whoo.
<matti> Night night erikh
<matti> Sleep tight
<banisterfiend> erikh: hehe, yeah you're the only american i know still up ;)
<banisterfiend> erikh: sleep well!
<zenspider> no comments vs javadoc comments... not sure which one I prefer...
<banisterfiend> wow zenspider is still up too
<banisterfiend> oh it's july 4th tomorrow
<zenspider> yeah. but I should still be asleep. heading out in < 8 hrs :)
<matti> zenspider: :)
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<ddfreyne> how's the weather in Tokyo mid-september?
<zenspider> ddfreyne: afaik, muggy as shit
<oddmunds> zenspider: look into my eyes, not around the eyes, directly into the eyes SLEEP!
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<zenspider> yeah... I'm out
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<imperator> good morning; and happy 4th my fellow americans
<seanstickle> Halloo
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<seanstickle> Are you going to the big explosion re-enactments?
<imperator> doubt it this year
<seanstickle> But… big booms!
<imperator> saw the big booms the last few years up north on the lake, so much more fun
<imperator> with beer and s'mores and stuff
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<apeiros_> big bang re-enactment?
<seanstickle> apeiros_: Yeah, CERN is doing that with some Higgs machine
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<apeiros_> no, no, we have to wait until the end of 2012 for the black-hole generation
<apeiros_> actually 2013, off-by-one error by the mayans. their ghosts say they're sorry.
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<seanstickle> It's because the Mayans counted starting at 0
<seanstickle> But the Europeans insisted on initializing on 1
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<lianj> makes total sense
<seanstickle> Dijkstra was a Mayan, as we all know
<seanstickle> A Nederlandish Mayan
<apeiros_> nonsense
<apeiros_> everybody knows he was an alien
<seanstickle> S'true
<seanstickle> Aliens are just time travelling Mayans
<seanstickle> Surely you learned that in school
<seanstickle> Even 1st formers know that
<apeiros_> that concept sounds alien
<apeiros_> xenu does not approve
<seanstickle> That's misspelled
<seanstickle> It's Xinu.
<seanstickle> And it's just Unix moving backwards in time.
<apeiros_> your thetans are mixed up, you must go and stare at a wall for a couple of hours to get them back to normal!
<seanstickle> Like time travelling alien Mayans would expect
<seanstickle> I got deltas instead
<seanstickle> Much more pro-biotic for digestion
* bnagy checks the channel name
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<banisterfiend> apeiros_: what editor theme do you use again? (i forget)
<apeiros_> bbedit & sublime
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<banisterfiend> apeiros_: sublime is a color theme?
<apeiros_> when I have my MBR, I'll probably switch to 99% sublime
<apeiros_> no, "sublime text 2" is an editor
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<imperator2> wireless flaked out
<imperator2> dslam probably got hit with a bottle rocket
<banisterfiend> apeiros_: which color theme do you use
<banisterfiend> apeiros_: what's MBR btw
<rue> Master boot record?
<rue> Retina I assume
<seanstickle> MacBook Retina?
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<apeiros_> 100 internets for seanstickle
<seanstickle> I imagine Vim will look quite nice on a MBR
<apeiros_> I imagine it will still have the same crappy user experience, though…
<seanstickle> Yeah. It still only edits text for source code really well. It hasn't been improved to have nifty GUI transitions.
<seanstickle> If that's what you mean. ;)
<rfx> well, but gvim .. what more is needed :p
* imperator2 installs sublime
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<seanstickle> Give yourself to the Vim!
<apeiros_> that sounds worse than having to check your thetans…
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<bnagy> I did, for 20 years, but st2 has a decent sidebar and a proper package management system
<apeiros_> seanstickle: no, honestly, I tried vim for a week. I don't see how an editor can be considered good if it takes you weeks to even only master the basics of editing…
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<seanstickle> apeiros_: you hit I and start typing
<seanstickle> What's so hard?
<apeiros_> yet I edit faster than my friend who's using vim for like forever…
<bnagy> but vim will always be with me for console editing :)
<apeiros_> seanstickle: "you hit I" - dunno, I don't have to hit I with any other editor… but no, that's not the hard part.
<seanstickle> bnagy: the package manager does suck though, true fact
<andrewvos> Which package manager?
<seanstickle> andrewvos: there are a few
<seanstickle> andrewvos: and they all pretty much suck
<seanstickle> Also, the Vim website that lists all the plugins is dreadful
<bnagy> as does nerdtree
<andrewvos> seanstickle: Vundle is perfect. Have not ever had a problem with it.
<seanstickle> I don't fancy running a package manager from inside of my editor
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<andrewvos> Well I don't have a care in the world, and things are pretty awesome for me.
<andrewvos> I add a plugin like: Vundle "git/blah"
<andrewvos> Then do :BundleInstall
<seanstickle> But maybe I will give it another try
<andrewvos> And it's working
<seanstickle> The Vim website is still very terrible though
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<seanstickle> When Vundle handles dependencies, I might be more attentive, I guess.
<countdigi> happy 4th btw
<seanstickle> Yeah, hurray, screw the colonial powers!
<bnagy> huzzah you guys can all drink beer and not vote and have the worst education and healthcare system in the first world!
<bnagy> where's my flag!
<seanstickle> Yay!
<countdigi> lol
<countdigi> we have an education system?
<countdigi> thats news
<seanstickle> The best in the world
<seanstickle> At the university graduate level
<seanstickle> Not so good at the elementary and secondary levels
<seanstickle> Tradeoffs, doncha know
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<bnagy> well I think a few countries would argue the toss about tertiary as well
<bnagy> but hey, it is pretty good, if you can afford it
<seanstickle> Well, it's being disrupted, and only been particularly expensive for the last 20 years or so.
<countdigi> this is classic
<bnagy> imagine if it were free! LOL
<countdigi> Michio Kaku talking about american education system
<seanstickle> Kaku is sort of a flake.
<countdigi> yeah but he hits it on the head some times
<seanstickle> True nuff
<banisterfiend> kaku has dead eyes
<seanstickle> Like a shark physicist
<banisterfiend> and repeats exactly the same stuff with the same feigned enthusiasm in every single physics documentary
<banisterfiend> it's a bore
<bnagy> I envy you people in countries where youtube works
<seanstickle> banisterfiend: Not all scientists can be good public speakers like Sagan or (sometimes) Tyson
<seanstickle> Kaku is a wacky looking theoretical physicist who is willing to talk about UFOs and things
<seanstickle> So of course he is snapped up by every 2-bit TV show that needs a scientist
<banisterfiend> seanstickle: have you seen ed witten interviews?
<countdigi> weird but funny comic
<seanstickle> banisterfiend: yes
<seanstickle> banisterfiend: guy looks like a talking statue
<seanstickle> Who occasionally moves his hands
<banisterfiend> seanstickle: he's my favorite by far, he doesnt dumb shit down to the same tired analogies we've heard 1000 times before
<seanstickle> I like Feynman
<banisterfiend> srsly every 'string theory' / 'quantum theory' documentary just rehash the same stuff
<seanstickle> Doesn't dumb it down, doesn't sex it up.
<seanstickle> Mostly says "yeah, here's what the math says, but fuck if I know what that means"
<seanstickle> A lot of damage was done in the 70s to quantum physics by some orientalist notions of exotic mystical insights into quantum mechanics
<seanstickle> Damage to public perception of it, I mean.
<countdigi> there is no spoon
<imperator2> the universe is made of 12 particles of matter, 4 forces of energy
<seanstickle> Buddhist bullshit mixed with group theory is a bad combination.
<imperator2> btw, who wants to help me figure out why a sleepex call is making ruby segfault?
<apeiros_> there's only timecube!
<apeiros_> any other filosofi is for beginners and nooblets!
<seanstickle> 4 forces of energy?
<seanstickle> WTF?
<countdigi> 4 = Beer, Coding, Chics, and Caffeine
<andrewvos> Oh God
<andrewvos> Brogrammer alert.
<imperator2> s/energy/nature
<countdigi> lol
<seanstickle> imperator2: only 3
<seanstickle> imperator2: you missed the last unificatio
<seanstickle> unification
<seanstickle> electroweak
<imperator2> seanstickle, everything i know about this i learned from symphony of science
<bnagy> group theory buddhism whatnow?
<seanstickle> gravity, strong nuclear, and electroweak
<seanstickle> 3 forces
<seanstickle> There, now you're up to speed
<imperator2> PhD here I come!
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<seanstickle> bnagy: you never saw (or read) any of those Tao of Physics things?
<seanstickle> bnagy: they were rampant in the 70s and 80s
<bnagy> no
<seanstickle> Ah, well, that would explain the gap in your knowledge
<bnagy> also taoism and buddhism aren't 1:1-onto
<seanstickle> No shit
<seanstickle> There were also books on the Eightfold Path and Physics
<seanstickle> If you want to be particularly pedantic
<bnagy> o_0
<seanstickle> People who try to link thousand year old religious mysticism with 20th century quantum physics should just be punched in the ears and left outside when it rains
<seanstickle> Unless it is a poetic exercise
<bnagy> probably got all heisenzen
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<imperator2> dammit, how do i shift a block of text in sublime?
<seanstickle> I don't mind the odd reflection on how the philosophical distinctions between object and process are similar between different areas of human inquiry, but people who want to call the Buddhists or Taoists or whatever prescient for talking about quantum physics should really be forced to learn the mathematics required.
<imperator2> relearning all the commands i know is why i end up staying with gvim
<bnagy> cut paste?
<imperator2> bnagy, what's the equivalent of select + left arrow?
<bnagy> wth is select left arrow in vim?
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<seanstickle> vh
<bnagy> oh
<countdigi> u mean v<left-cursor> :P whats w/ these home keys?
<bnagy> s'wat I'm using :S it's not all right though
<seanstickle> Ugh, that Submlime shortcuts thing looks like Emacs
<bnagy> tbh I don't select half lines without using the mouse
<bnagy> like I would yy, p and then D or something
<imperator2> i have 10 lines of text i would like to move two spaces left. how do i do that?
<bnagy> 10<<
<bnagy> ohwait in sublime?
<seanstickle> v10j<
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<imperator2> yes, in sublime
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<bnagy> uh shift, downarrowalot ctrl [ ?
<bnagy> but I just do all indenting with beautifyruvy
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<imperator2> thanks
<bnagy> beautifyruby cmd ctrl K is like gg=G
<bnagy> welcome to #vimethodone
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<KINGSABRI> Hi all
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<KINGSABRI> I need a real IDE for ruby not an advanced text editor. Netbeans does't work perfect.
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<seanstickle> No you don't
<seanstickle> You might *like* one.
<oddmunds> KINGSABRI: what do you want your IDE to do for you?
<oddmunds> (as in why do you need one)
<bnagy> not this again
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<KINGSABRI> oddmunds, I need IDE can read my own classes' files and can give me a list of methods
<KINGSABRI> oddmunds, netbeans doing that with the build-in classes of ruby but not my application's classes
<KINGSABRI> kate/kwrite has same netbeans issue
<bnagy> in Australia we have an ancient proverb for these situations
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<oddmunds> KINGSABRI: a list of methods and the like will never be perfect in Ruby since you can crete them at runtime etc.
<bnagy> translated from tyhe language of my people, it reads "Harden the FUCK UP, sunshine"
<KINGSABRI> oddmunds, would you explain more , please ?
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<darix> KINGSABRI: you can create methods at runtime
<darix> e.g. think stuff like accessors in rails for your db columns
<darix> also method_missing handling things can not be covered
<darix> rails stuff like SomeObj.find_by_somecolumn is method_missing
<darix> pick one of the better text editors and stick to it
<KINGSABRI> darix, I'm using kwrite(on linux) it's good but poor at the same time ,, also I need something has debugger
<darix> well then pick one of the ides like netbeans, rubymine, vim or emacs
<oddmunds> or if you want to be fancy, pry
<darix> pry as editor is nice
<darix> s/editor/debugger/
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<darix> also checkout ctags
<darix> vim/emacs support ctags files
<darix> but keep in mind it wont help you with dynamically created code
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<KINGSABRI> darix, thanks for your help ,, I'm using pry as irb + console in some application
<KINGSABRI> pry is great irb ,,
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<chris2> anyone use bundler?
<tonni> .o/
<yxhuvud> yes.
<chris2> and thinks it sucks?
<yxhuvud> not really. why?
<chris2> i wonder
<chris2> i never used it
<yxhuvud> it solves a problem that needs solving. there are other solutions as well though.
<yxhuvud> like rvm gemsets, but that is not for everyone
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<chris2> ok
<chris2> whats the real difference?
<chris2> except that rvm manages ruby version too?
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<yxhuvud> I think there is a bit more control when it comes to updating gem versions when using bundler. Might be wrong though.
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<chris2> ok
<chris2> i guess one gem-inherent problem is if you use many gems and they have conflicting deps themselves
<yxhuvud> bundler solves that pretty well. dunno if gemsets handle it at all.
<countdigi> i had a bundler/rvm nightmare last night - not what they do but what i should do with it :-)
<chris2> how can bundler fix that?
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<chris2> if a and b depend on c=0.5
<chris2> and a updates to c=0.6
<chris2> and you use a and b in your app
<yxhuvud> chris2: well, it can't solve actual conflicts, but it can decide not to upgrade a if the versions don't allow it
<chris2> well, ok
<yxhuvud> and it stores a list of the latest working set of gems
<chris2> it has to, by design?
<chris2> countdigi: anything specific?
<yxhuvud> yeah
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<yxhuvud> brb laundry
<countdigi> i think i figured it out - i have a custom compile for aix for chef
<chris2> oh :)
<countdigi> and not gcc on everybox
<countdigi> so i am going to make a custom .rvm dir and push it that way i think
<countdigi> just need the room in /root :-)
<chris2> ok, that sounds like a very specific problem :)
<countdigi> yeah - dont worry most will never need to worry and eventually me too when linux replaces it
<countdigi> but aix is pretty damn solid for "enterprise" aka the app guys dont know whats happening environments :-)
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<tubbo> i wish you could do this in ruby: `def initialize(@var1, @var2);`
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<tubbo> and it would do the same thing as def initialize(var1, var2); @var1 = var1; @var2 = var2; end
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<rue> There’s a ticket open, I think.
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<wmoxam> 44
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<andrewvos> What, really?
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<rue> What what, really?
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<injekt> what
<seanstickle> What now?
<apeiros_> now what?
<wmoxam> where now?
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<seanstickle> That's what I heard.
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<wmoxam> okay then
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<diegoviola> do you folks use rvm or rbenv or neither?
<injekt> rbenv here
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<oddmunds> rvm here
<diegoviola> i like the simplicity approach of rbenv, but what i don't understand is the "shims" approach, what is that?
<injekt> "transparently intercepts an API and changes the parameters passed, handles the operation itself, or redirects the operation elsewhere"
<injekt> in rbenvs case, it's the latter
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<diegoviola> nice, thanks
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<Tasser> injekt, how can you 'transparently' intercept a call?
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<ryanf> Tasser: by making it so the caller doesn't know the difference?
<Tasser> ryanf, so that's the defintion of transparence?
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<ryanf> transparency has a bunch of different definitions in computing, including some contradictory ones
<ryanf> but I think that's what they mean here, yeah
<scientes> how do i do a threaded .each ?
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<scientes> **.map
<Tasser> scientes, require 'peach'
<Tasser> scientes, and use it in jruby only, cruby sucks balls there
<scientes> its not really number crunching, i just want to do a bunch of http api requests in parallel
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<Tasser> curb can do that nicely, without the need for multiple connections iirc
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<scientes> how about openuri
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<scientes> i love the openuri api
<injekt> api?
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<scientes> yeah you just open(uri)
<ij> Is it possible to put ruby in a thread that's not the main one?
<injekt> lol
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<Tasser> ij, huh?
<Tasser> scientes, yeah, just go with it
<ij> Tasser: I want to put ruby VM in a seperate pthread while main tries to join all the threads after creating them.
<ij> Is it possible at all?
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<rue> I think it’s troublesome if you do that
<ij> I wanted to do that but I've given up.
<rue> You can’t access it from multiple threads in any case
<ij> Can't access what?
<Tasser> the ruby VM
<ij> I can still interact with ruby vm from other threads.
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<ij> Good enough for me.
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<residentwhackjob> any use subtle wm ?
<rue> Ew, you shouldn’t multithread it
<residentwhackjob> uh subtle ?
<erikh> residentwhackjob: I think there's #subtle
<rue> I think it’s just #wm. It’d be too prominent otherwise.
<residentwhackjob> im there - ust have no idea what im doing and this sublet i loaded is getting an error and thought ruby would be a place to ask - ill wait in #subtle
<rue> What’s the error?
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<residentwhackjob> no method, undefined write
<rue> You’ve access to the source of this sublet, I assume? Line number eve?
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<residentwhackjob> yes lines 754 and 753
<residentwhackjob> ill paste it
<residentwhackjob> http://sprunge.us/IPQc
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<residentwhackjob> s.bus is line 753...idk know much of ruby at all though
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<rue> So, it seems that whatever s.win returns doesn’t respond to #write
<residentwhackjob> you'd prob know more then me ...
<residentwhackjob> thanks for the help though
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<rue> Probably. You’d need to check whatever API is being called here
<rue> If you have other sublets installed, maybe you can search for write in those
<rue> See how/where it can be used.
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<residentwhackjob> k thanks rue
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