<petercooper>
Haha, yes. I don't know anything since then. bugs.ruby-lang.org shows tickets against it from late 2011 but that's it.
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<zenspider>
petercooper: I believe the answer is no. they argued against it on the list.
<zenspider>
EY dropped maintainership of the 1.8 line. only one person was arguing FOR a 1.8.8 release and they eventually got overruled / overwhelmed.
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<petercooper>
Thanks
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<zenspider>
n/p
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<erikh>
oof
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<erikh>
HELLO FRIENDS
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<deryl>
pretty bad when you hear noises and see flashlights and grab your own, and scare the crap out of your neighbors… at almost 2am
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<ruskie>
rofl
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<deryl>
it wasnt pretty
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<erikh>
all this rspec and cucumber shit is possibly the most painful stuff I have ever used
<erikh>
and I've worked with J2EE
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<erikh>
oh and while I'm here being a hater thor sucks too
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<yorickpeterse>
erikh: mah nigga
<yorickpeterse>
It's not easy to find people who agree on all that
<banister`sleep>
yorickpeterse: erikh is black?
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<yorickpeterse>
banisterfiend: nfi
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<erikh>
only on the inside
<bnagy>
safer that way
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<rue>
Aalright.
<erikh>
I NEED AN ADULT
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<andrewvos>
My girlfriend has been made redundant today. Guess I'm going to be poor for a bit :(
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<bnagy>
ouch
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<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: congrats on having a girlfriend though
<andrewvos>
So I'm thinking doing this just so I can piss off a friend who has like 20 more followers than me and rubs it in my face all the time. http://www.getfasttwitterfollowers.com/
<banisterfiend>
:P
<andrewvos>
banisterfiend: hahah thanks
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: who follows u?
<banisterfiend>
just bots?
<andrewvos>
banisterfiend: Old accounts that aren't active anymore
<andrewvos>
banisterfiend: They don't appear to have an egg on them either
<banisterfiend>
oh ok
<andrewvos>
Someone talk me down!
<andrewvos>
Should i do it?
<banisterfiend>
i wouldn't do it
<banisterfiend>
but it could be fun for the lulz i gues
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: but that was for this: cirw.in/blog/time-to-move-on
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: so ucould always invent a new programming paradigm :P
<andrewvos>
For THAT?
<andrewvos>
Hmmm
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: yeah, about 400 points on HN
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: and > 200 comments
<banisterfiend>
he did pretty well
<andrewvos>
I think we both know I'm not going to be inventing some new programming paradigm any time soon.
<banisterfiend>
he put a big FOLLOW ME link on his blog page
<banisterfiend>
kinda clever
<andrewvos>
I got 278 points on there once, and like 10 followers :( :(
<andrewvos>
I didn't have the huge follow me link though.
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<andrewvos>
hah I have more followers than you banisterfiend
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<banisterfiend>
probably, i dont really use twitter very much, or bother promoting it :P
<andrewvos>
excuses excuses
<andrewvos>
haha
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<banisterfiend>
hehe
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: where do u get most of your followers from do u think
<andrewvos>
website, and work
<andrewvos>
I have about 80 followers from my last two employers
<andrewvos>
and random shit I do, I suppose
<andrewvos>
82 of the people i know personally
<andrewvos>
yeah, really not sure where I actually do get those followers
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<andrewvos>
Right, um, so I'm totally not doing that at all. Terrible idea. Not happening.
<andrewvos>
Seriously. Also, can everone delete their #ruby-lang logs now please?
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<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: haha u just did it?
<andrewvos>
NO
<andrewvos>
banisterfiend: But I did write a short blog post saying how old MVC is.
<andrewvos>
And that rails is a ghetto.
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<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: sound like pretty ground-breaking topics :P
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<andrewvos>
banisterfiend: I'm sure the twitter community will appreciate my work.
<andrewvos>
*wink wink*
<banisterfiend>
haha such a twitter whore
<andrewvos>
Dude, my girlfriend has more twitter followers than me.
<andrewvos>
Had to be rectified.
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: if u took twitter srsly surely u'd have something better than a pic of u wearing emo-glasses looking like u just snorted a line of coke
<banisterfiend>
:P
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<andrewvos>
I look like I snorted coke?
<andrewvos>
Oh god
<kalleth>
andrewvos: 'accidentally' delete her twitter account
<kalleth>
that's always fun.
<andrewvos>
Ok now I'm changing that
<andrewvos>
kalleth: She would literally murder me. Like with death.
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: JK, u look ok :)
<andrewvos>
hehe
<andrewvos>
And now?
<banisterfiend>
andrewvos: haha better
<andrewvos>
I don't really have sober photos.
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<rue>
andrewvos: Accidentally change her @name
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<andrewvos>
To what?
<yorickpeterse>
obligatory sexist joke: use @kitchen
<apeiros_>
wow, impressive - almost linear performance improvement by threading the dns queries out…
<apeiros_>
used 20 threads for the moment
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<asahi>
I'm doing File.open(filename, "r"), but this seems to include the "\n" at the end of each array element. Is there a way to read the file without having the \n included?
<apeiros_>
the way you open the file has little to do with that…
<apeiros_>
you can use chomp to remove the newline
<apeiros_>
or you can read the whole file and split on \n
<asahi>
apeiros: I see. thanks
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<jorgenpt>
How are you supposed to pass 'opt' to IO.popen? The docs say popen(cmd, mode="r" [, opt]), but if I pass three args I get "wrong number of arguments (3 for 2)"
<apeiros_>
jorgenpt: a) did you ensure you have the right ruby version? b) what did you pass as opt?
<apeiros_>
jorgenpt: note that some opts must be given as the last value in an array which is the first argument to popen
<jorgenpt>
Yeah, I also tried IO.popen(['ruby', '-e', 'puts Process.getpgrp; puts Process.pid;', {:pgroup => true}]), but then I get TypeError: can't convert Array into String
<jorgenpt>
Hmm. Maybe this was a ruby 1.9.3-p0 bug? p194 works.
<apeiros_>
:pgroup is an option from spawn?
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<apeiros_>
the second one works for me too
<jorgenpt>
Yeah
<apeiros_>
also p194
<apeiros_>
and if it is an option from spawn, then that's the right place for the opts to go
<jorgenpt>
The option doesn't seem to work here, though, on a Mac.
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<jorgenpt>
Hmm. Does spawn do anything particualr if you run Ruby?
<RickHull>
I'd prefer the name UnknownError I think
<RickHull>
fun times to be had, trying to patch that out ;)
<RickHull>
there's only 10 hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors
<apeiros_>
is that 10 in binary?
<RickHull>
:P
<RickHull>
it's a mashup
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<RickHull>
i've missed you lot. i can only connect sporadically as my fw hole is IP based, and the IP pool for freenode keeps changing
<apeiros_>
do what I always wanted to do but never did - use an irc proxy
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<RickHull>
yeah, i'd still have to figure out a static IP for the proxy, and while it would comply with the letter of the law, I'm not sure IT would be happy about it, and they definitely wouldn't support it
<RickHull>
it's kind of lame, doing IP-based fw rules
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<RickHull>
though I understand you wouldn't want DNS lookup on the critical path for most stuff anyway
<RickHull>
strictly a performance optimization i guess
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<erikh>
it'd get cached anyhow
<erikh>
TTLs on DNS (especially these days) can be extremely small
<erikh>
so, you'd have to cache aggressively to be performant
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<rue>
Teetedillesles
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<RickHull>
erikh: been playing any eve at all? i got sucked in
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<rue>
How sucked in? Plotting a galactic economic shift 8 months ahead, or just playing it a couple hours a day?
<erikh>
RickHull: I played it for about 2 months
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<drbrain>
rue: ha!
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<RickHull>
rue: heh, my plotting horizon is about 2 weeks, and yeah
<RickHull>
erikh: i joined TEST alliance, the reddit guys. if not for that community, I wouldn't still be involved
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<rue>
You poor deluded sap.
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<RickHull>
rue: eh?
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<RickHull>
i'll be spacerich soon(TM)
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<apeiros_>
RickHull: bah, you're nothing before you're multiverserich
<RickHull>
there are wormholes, known as W-space. and they do generate lots of ISK. but yeah i can't really survive in there yet
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<corecode>
hi
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<corecode>
can i Hash#delete inside of Hash#each?
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<corecode>
or will that break things?
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<RickHull>
it's a bad idea
<rue>
corecode: You shouldn’t
<RickHull>
don't modify the collection as you iterate over it
<apeiros_>
you can't
<apeiros_>
1.9 raises if you do that
<rue>
Try #delete_if?
<Mon_Ouie>
It depends on ruby version/implementation
<corecode>
ok
<rue>
It does? Cool.
<corecode>
thanks
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<Tasser>
apeiros_, uhm, nope, it doesn't
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<apeiros_>
odd… there was a condition when it would raise
<apeiros_>
saying something about not being able to mutate the hash during the iteration…
<apeiros_>
did they remove it again?
<drbrain>
I think Hash has been safe for modification during iteration for a while
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<drbrain>
I'm not sure why, though
<apeiros_>
sure, it wasn't in 1.8. it was sometime in 1.9
<apeiros_>
must be some more exotic thing…
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<yxhuvud>
if I were to guess, hash should have been safe to delete while iterating since they were made stable
<Tasser>
RuntimeError: can't add a new key into hash during iteration
<Tasser>
apeiros_, ehm, didn't read the part about hash
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<apeiros_>
Tasser: aaaah! that was it!
<apeiros_>
not deletion triggered the exception, but adding
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<rue>
Meh, inconsistency--
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<RickHull>
don't modify the collection while you're iterating over it. problem solved
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<RickHull>
use a "form" designed to do so, if you must. e.g. #delete_while
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<RickHull>
if I see code that modifies the collection whilst iterating over it, I immediately think: this guy is braindead and i don't trust his code
<rue>
No, #delete_if
<RickHull>
i think #delete_while still applies
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<RickHull>
the while portion iterates over the collection until the block yields false?
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<rue>
It’s #drop_while, but that’s a pretty specific use case.
<RickHull>
ah, interesting. i'm on 1.8 and heard #delete_while was a new 1.9 feature
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<RickHull>
so i implemented it because i needed it
<apeiros_>
just leave the (&block) away. you force ruby to do more work there.
<apeiros_>
(needless work)
<apeiros_>
self.shift while !self.empty? <-- shift until empty?
<apeiros_>
ah, and yield… hm
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<apeiros_>
ok, drop the last comment. (I'd not use `self.`, though)
<RickHull>
personal style, i always try to include self. for "property" methods, so it's clear where this new variable-looking-thing is coming from
<apeiros_>
I think if you have to ensure people know it isn't a variable, then your methods are too long
<RickHull>
i don't think that's the case
<RickHull>
it's more for clarity at a glance
<apeiros_>
then `self.` isn't necessary and just noise
<apeiros_>
(also notice that you can't call private methods with self.)
<RickHull>
I dunno, if I see if property
<RickHull>
and property is not a local var. it could be a bug, or i need to check the class
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<apeiros_>
why do you worry about bugs when reading code that works?
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<RickHull>
so, i guess i do this at write-time
<apeiros_>
meh
<RickHull>
generally the code doesn't work ;)
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<yxhuvud>
self[0] -> first
<apeiros_>
whatever, your code. I don't like it. it's noise.
<RickHull>
yep, personal style
<apeiros_>
bad style :-p
<RickHull>
your other points are well received
<rue>
RickHull: No, it’s not clarity
<rue>
It makes people ask *why* you need to include the self.
<rue>
Unnecessarily, in this case
<RickHull>
i don't disagree
<rue>
I am not upset to hear that
<RickHull>
i'll also add strictly unnecessary parens "for clarity"
<rue>
Parens are slightly better, since they have a simple purpose
<yxhuvud>
!self.empty? => any?
<RickHull>
i think i'm just out of sync a bit with teh community style, since i'm always working just on my own stuff. being different from the community is not strictly "worse" style, but it's definitely a downside
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<RickHull>
yxhuvud: i like #first somewhat. but it bugs me when I use it but later need to refer to [1]
<S1kx>
yxhuvud: [false].any? => false
<yxhuvud>
S1kx: good point.
<yxhuvud>
[].first
<yxhuvud>
uh, wrong window
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<RickHull>
while we're on the subject, i think i drifted toward explicit self because of another stylistic quirk. I try to implement as much functionality in class methods, in a more functional side-effect-free style
<RickHull>
and then I make a minimal object interface that only encapsulates the minimum necessary state
<RickHull>
and I would tie myself in knots sometimes with the different implicit contexts of class methods vs. instance methods
<apeiros_>
bundler experts - how do I have gem A in :development, but B in every other?
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