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<zenspider> holy fuck maglev is fast
<zenspider> it's been too long since I've played in this space
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<zenspider> mri is 79x slower in their pstore/gstore benchmark :O
<erikh> wow
<zenspider> huh... and it is worse on a 2.0 mri than 1.8... odd
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<zenspider> 70x slower overall (wallclock) w/ mri 2... that's impressive
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<jperry2_> anyone know when rspec 2.11 will be released?
<jperry2_> oh looks like it was released
<zenspider> not soon enough
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<ryanf> I didn't realize maglev was supposed to be fast. I thought it was just an MRI fork grafted onto their object DB?
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<ryanf> oh, it has its own JIT
<ryanf> neat
<zenspider> ryanf: no, it is supposed to be fast... they're smalltalk vm experts
<zenspider> and it is more like cleanroom + rubinius ... not a fork of mri at all
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<ryanf> apparently I was misinformed
<ryanf> well, that makes it even more interesting. cool.
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<zenspider> damnit this is awesome. I've been stupid for staying away for so long.
<zenspider> persistable lambdas... continuations... fuck me
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<nazty> anyone around
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<zenspider> nazty: nope
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<rue> Nobody here but us dust bunnies
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<apeiros_> moin
<apeiros_> anybody using ruby to interface with exchange 2007? mainly to read & create contacts and appointments… if so - what solutions do you use?
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<rfx> How can I tell PrettyPrint (pp) to use stderr?
<apeiros_> $stderr.puts obj.pretty_inspect
<rfx> ah, i see. thanks
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<rfx> searching for best practice calling a shell command leads me to Open3 (I'm on Linux); me needs are to process stdout and stderr. Is this a good choice?
<rfx> s/me needs/my needs/ ...
<matti> rfx: There is also a systemu gem.
<matti> rfx: Open3 is fine too.
<matti> There is also this new gem...
* matti sratches his head...
<matti> I forgot ;/
<rfx> ok, thanks :)
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<banisterfiend`> matti: open4? :)
<matti> Haha
<matti> banisterfiend`: No, not that this one (not the one I've forgotten). Somebody send a twitt about new job / shell management thing. I bookmarked it at home.
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<rfx> I've (barely) managed to write a super tiny sinatra app (it's a gitlab post receive hook received) and got it working. I'm not wondering, how do I properly "deploy" it. Currently I simply start it with "bundle exec ruby hook.rb"; I know how I'd setup a init.d script for it. But I'm missing information how I get the PID for it to control it from that script
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<rfx> (note: ruby beginner alert here)
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<lzhz> rfx: you could start it with rackup, the -P option specifies the pidfile to use.
<rfx> ah, ok .. I seee the rackup command ... where did it come from? Part of the sinatra gem?
<lzhz> part of rack gem
<rfx> k
<lzhz> but it is a dependency of sinatra, so you don't need to worry about that
<rfx> lzhz: very helpful, guess that will do it!
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<MrPunkin> What would be the fastest way to iterate over a nested hash system?
<MrPunkin> looking to find all hash keys of "_content" and do something with them in a timely manner, if possible
<MrPunkin> from an API response
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<telemachus> In a regex validation for URLs, can anyone think of why the final | in this regex? :format => /^http\:\/\/|/
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<telemachus> That would seem to guarantee that the empty string (or anything else matches at start of string). Why would that be desirable?
<apeiros_> /…|/ will match everything
<apeiros_> since it contains the empty regex
<telemachus> right
<apeiros_> and // =~ anything is a tautology
<telemachus> ok
<telemachus> how is that ever wanted behavior?
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<apeiros_> I have no idea
<telemachus> ok, at least I'm not crazy
<mistym> telemachus: Are you seeing this in someone's real code?
<telemachus> mistym: Yes
<telemachus> coworkers
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<telemachus> s/coworkers/coworker's/
<mistym> telemachus: :(
<telemachus> :)
<telemachus> agreed
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<apeiros_> hit him with a stick?
<apeiros_> probably a typo
* telemachus talked with him
<telemachus> Thanks
<apeiros_> I think I made the very same typo once too… (no, I'm not your coworker, and no, not in a regex to match the scheme of an uri)
<telemachus> I just figured there must be something I wasn't seeing.
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<telemachus> He wanted to match /^http:\/\// OR ""
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<apeiros_> should be %r{\Ahttp://|\A\z} then
<telemachus> my first guess is always "There's something I don't know here..."
<apeiros_> so hit him with the regex anchors instead of poking him with a stick…
<telemachus> So I tried in irb and rubular and then figured I would ask here, just in case
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<telemachus> apeiros_, mistym Thanks
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<jtoy> how can i tell if ARGF has data?
<jtoy> it looks like ARGF is just shitty code
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<apeiros_> jtoy: you read from it?
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<jtoy> i want to use ARGF if there is a file, if not, then don't read
<apeiros_> um, that's not how argf works…
<apeiros_> use ARGV then, do your own tests and whatever else
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<apeiros_> jtoy: I'm not interested in reading a blog article.
<jtoy> apeiros_: good for you
<apeiros_> phrase your problem
<jtoy> apeiros_: already did, thanks for the help!
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<rue> jtoy: ARGF has data if you read from it and it has data.
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<jtoy> rue, i want to skip it if it doesn't have data, i guess i just need to use argv and argf
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<jtoy> argf can also get data from piping in data
<rue> Yes
<rue> If you don’t want the ARGF behaviour, just use ARGV directly.
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<jtoy> is there a safe way to turn a string into a hash?
<MrPunkin> jtoy: how would you logically determine how to make a hash from a string?
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<MrPunkin> Is it serialized or something?
<MrPunkin> JSON?
<jtoy> just checking if there is a safe way
<MrPunkin> jtoy: well that all depends how the string is formatted
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<jtoy> ":id => 123"
<jtoy> or "{:id => 123}"
<MrPunkin> So it's like a hash already, just in string format?
<jtoy> MrPunkin: yes
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<apeiros_> or: gem install literal_parser
<jtoy> apeiros_: cool,thx
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<rue> I was thinking "foo".hash
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<erikh> nice dude!
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<drbrain> thanks!
<drbrain> whitequark: by the way, we were wrong about rb_block_given_p() being callable without the GVL
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<drbrain> whitequark: GET_THREAD gets the thread that has the GVL which is not necessarily your thread
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<rue> Ooh, ministat
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<erikh> ministat?
<rue> MINI STAT
<kristofferrr> I'm giving MiniTest a try after being used to RSpec. I'm wondering what the naming convention for such files is? test/"filename of file to be tested"_test.rb ?
<rue> drbrain: Does it do graphing now, too?
<rue> Or visualization
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<drbrain> rue: yes
<rue> Sweetness
<drbrain> rue: it's this ministat: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ministat
<drbrain> it does a scatter plot with mean, avg and stddev
<erikh> oh,
<erikh> I remember this now
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<naquad> i did require 'irb'; IRB.start(__FILE__); thats basically same as i see in irb executable, but my extensions are not loaded (rc file) :( why so?
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<orange_ninja> Can anyone tell me why ruby refuses to let me use rubygems on Windows?
<drbrain> orange_ninja: how so?
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<whitequark> drbrain: oh. I see.
<orange_ninja> example: I want to use the 'zip' gem. So if I run ruby -rrubygems foo.rb , it says 'no such file to load -- zip (LoadError)' where foo.rb contains: 'require 'zip'
<drbrain> whitequark: I learned this after "SEGV in SEGV handler"
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<drbrain> orange_ninja: what does `gem which zip` say?
<orange_ninja> e:/Apps/jruby-1.6.7/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/zip-2.0.2/lib/zip.rb
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<drbrain> ok, what does `ruby -v` say?
<orange_ninja> ruby 1.8.7 (2011-06-30 patchlevel 352) [i386-mingw32]
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<drbrain> orange_ninja: you have two implementations of ruby installed
<orange_ninja> that's interesting... the gem is under my jruby directory
<drbrain> `gem` belongs to jruby, apparently, while `ruby` is separate
<drbrain> orange_ninja: maybe it's a PATH issue?
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<orange_ninja> drbrain: THANK YOU! you nailed it
<drbrain> orange_ninja: awesome
<drbrain> before everybody started using rvm this happened all the time for linux users
<orange_ninja> :) is it save to use rvm in windows?
<orange_ninja> safe*
<jaimef> chroot!
<drbrain> I have no idea how much work that would be to set up
<orange_ninja> k
<erikh> rvm isn't really windows compatible, I think there's a windows tool called 'pik' that's similar.
<orange_ninja> dir
<drbrain> I suppose its possible, but you'd need a large portion of the GNU compiler toolchain
<orange_ninja> i see
<erikh> mingw at least.
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<rue> Yes, pik
<erikh> YES
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<drbrain> running benchmarks is really boring
<erikh> try bootstrapping servers all day
<erikh> automation is great but it's not so much fun to stare at
<rolfb> i don't think that's the point of automation
<rolfb> if you still have to stare
<erikh> it is if I'm testing the automation
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<drbrain> erikh: this is only initial collection
<rolfb> o_O
<drbrain> next I need to modify zlib and re-run the same benchmarks
<drbrain> I probably should find some slow hardware to run the benchmarks on too, to test the interruptibility of the zlib extension
<drbrain> perhaps 16KB is too small
<erikh> probably all in cache though
<erikh> oh, I guess I misunderstood. if you're rotating the stream endlessly, probably not :)
<drbrain> erikh: yeah… the buffer size is chosen so that a thread interrupt is processed quickly
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<drbrain> but I'm not sure what a good value for "quickly" is
<erikh> I doubt you could do it right with a static value
<erikh> fsvo "right"
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<erikh> thinking about this some more, maybe making it configurable would be best.
<drbrain> I can pick a value that makes sense for common hardware
<erikh> oh sure, a sensible default of course
<drbrain> the first thing I'm going to figure out is "should we bother with incremental buffer growth?"
<erikh> you mean pushing it until the delay reaches a certain threshold, or something else?
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<drbrain> yes, something like that
<erikh> that's probably a good idea, but I still think the number should be overridable
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<drbrain> for example, if you have inflate in a timeout, you want the thread to die quickly and not consume your CPU unnecessarily
<erikh> oh while you're here: who do I talk to about dns changes for test.rubygems.org?
<drbrain> also, as the buffer size grows larger zlib becomes more efficient as it spends less time in realloc()
<erikh> qrush?
<ged> Does anyone have a better way to find the nth newline in a string than this?
<ged> n = 11; i = str.index("\n"); (n-1).times { i = str.index("\n", i+1) }
<erikh> ged: that's probably really fast
<drbrain> erikh: qrush
<erikh> wait. shouldn't str.index just work there?
<erikh> drbrain: thanks
<ged> Index finds the first occurance after the offset.
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<drbrain> ged: why do you need the index? Is this something #scan can help with?
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<ged> drbrain: I'm writing a function that will return a slice of lines of a file.
<drbrain> ged: maybe something like str =~ /(.*?\n){11}/m
<drbrain> … maybe /m doesn't need to be there
<erikh> not if \n is specified
<erikh> IIRC.
<erikh> ged: str.scan(/[^\n]+\n/)[10] ?
<drbrain> ged: or str.lines.take 11
<erikh> a friend of mine wrote a library that does this, not sure of the quality thoguh
<rue> Asking for a friend
<ged> I'd be interested in seeing it if it doesn't just read the whole file in. :P
<erikh> yeah, it's seek based if my memory is correct
<erikh> but the source is there and it's really small.
<ged> Oh, neat. Yeah, it indexes all of the lines ahead of time.
<drbrain> ged: you can use .lines.take with an IO
<rue> /m is only for .
<ged> drbrain: Oh, nice!
<rue> I don’t think it affects any of the onig stuff, at any rate
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<ged> drbrain: That'll be nicer when I find the offset of the beginning line, especially.
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<ged> Thanks for the ideas, all!
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<erikh> original herpsta
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