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<flyinprogramer> very new to the ruby community, and i'm confused what's the best practice regarding dependency declaration for creating a gem that uses bundler, but deployed to the RubyGems server… meaning is it best to use the Gemspec notation of adding dependencies, [gem.add_runtime_dependency] or to use bundler groups and the gemfile -- what is the best practice? [sorry if this is the wrong room]
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<drbrain> flyinprogramer: if it's a gem you should put them in the gemspec
<flyinprogramer> meaning if i'm going to rollout my project as a gem, use the gemspec ?
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<drbrain> use gem.add_runtime_dependency
<flyinprogramer> okk
<drbrain> err, gemspec.add_runtime_dependency
<flyinprogramer> ok, so i notice that there's both runtime and development -- how do you set the difference?
<flyinprogramer> meaning, i'd want rspec for development, and not runtime, so how does that work??
<flyinprogramer> but my project might use Faker for runtime
<flyinprogramer> if that makes any sense/
<flyinprogramer> ?
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<drbrain> flyinprogramer: if a user doesn't need rspec to use your software, but does need it to run your specs, rspec is a development dependency
<drbrain> if you use Faker at runtime, it's a runtime dependency
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<flyinprogramer> ok, so i get that, but then i guess i don't understand bundle groups? and how they can be helpful?
<flyinprogramer> it seems like you can use them to define groups of "require" statements?
<flyinprogramer> and all gems listed as "runtime" in the Gemspec are part of the :default group
<drbrain> flyinprogramer: I don't use bundler, but I think bundle groups are more useful for applications that run in multiple environments
<drbrain> like a rails app that runs in production, CI and development environments
<flyinprogramer> ok
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<erikh> where's imperator when I need him
<flyinprogramer> science
<flyinprogramer> this helped a lot
<flyinprogramer> sorry for being such a nub
<drbrain> flyinprogramer: that's what we're here for
<flyinprogramer> i know, and it doesn't seem to be busy, so no harm i guess
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<zenspider> rawr
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<banisterfiend> zenspider: you should hang out in #ruby
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<zenspider> banisterfiend: oh?
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<erikh> w/ 15
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<zenspider> banisterfiend: care to expand?
<erikh> hello
<erikh> i love you all.
<banisterfiend> zenspider: it's twice as big and more alive, you can chat away voluminously and share the experience with 650 peple
<erikh> meh
<erikh> more people == more noise
<banisterfiend> it's pretty quiet too, but juts a little less quiet
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<banisterfiend> erikh: do you play many retro games?
<erikh> sometimes
<erikh> brb
<zenspider> banisterfiend: eh. #ruby-lang is my home
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<andrewvos> https://twitter.com/ruby_news/status/225517676779421696 <--- I don't see what the issue is with using the default seperator. Please explain.
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<workmad3> andrewvos: many projects assume that .join always means .join(''), so if you set the default separator in a project that uses something (e.g. rails) that makes that assumption, you're likely to get a lot of broken or wrong behaviour
<andrewvos> So don't set the default seperator?
<workmad3> andrewvos: that isn't something a library should dictate
<andrewvos> Why is there even a $,
* workmad3 shrugs
<workmad3> but there is, so given that, libraries shouldn't break because someone decides to set it
<andrewvos> Oh great, some intricate little detail I have to remember.
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<workmad3> that's the case when writing libraries
<workmad3> it's what makes writing good libraries so hard
<workmad3> or at least, good, reusable libraries
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<lzhz> in the meantime, *'' continues to work ;)
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<andrewvos> A gem for caldav?
<zenspider> a question with a verb?
<andrewvos> Can anyone recommend a gem for doing caldav?*
<zenspider> I believe rick denatalie wrote one
<zenspider> I think it was called... caldav
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<andrewvos> zenspider: There was one but it has been yanked.
<andrewvos> Which I suppose is worth a try.
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<rue> It might be for caldav
<TTilus> you never really know untill you try
<rue> I must say, there should be a bit more integration software available for calendar stuff
<rue> Or maybe there is in Rails
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<mfn> I've added config.ru in the root of my project/gem . Given my gem is intalled, I provide a bin/<app> wrapper for the sinatra app, but also a ./config.ru to integrate it somewhere else. How can the user figure out the path to the config.ru? I'm thinking about providing a switch to bin/<app> --configru which just echoes it back where the file physically is so it can be used ... does that sound sane?
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<andrewvos> mfn: Just write an example config.ru in the readme.
<andrewvos> require "something"; run Something::Application
<andrewvos> Probably looks like that ^
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<mfn> andrewvos: hmm, but .. *thinking*
<andrewvos> What?
<andrewvos> Overthink things much?
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<mfn> well, my current config.ru looks like "require 'rubygems'; require 'bundler'; Bundler.require; require './lib/myapp/server'; run myapp::server;" . I'm not sure how things would work when I put the config.ru just anywhere (i.e. outside my gems root directory) ...
<rue> It should be just require "bundler/setup" or whatever, shouldn’t it?
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<mfn> rue: I don't know, I searched for "sinatra bundler" and found http://gembundler.com/sinatra.html
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<rue> Have you checked how other gems handle it? I do suspect that an example .ru is probably common
<rue> So you’d have a lib/yay.rb with the app (or at least requiring the app), so that you need not mess with relative paths
<rue> Then your .ru is require "rubygems"; require "bundler/setup"; require "yay"; run Yay::App
<rue> Or sommit
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<anildigital_work> Is it good practice to use one line rescue statements?
<anildigital_work> a = my_object.some_method rescue nil
<mfn> thx, I'll try that. I tried to find examplary gems but it wasn't that easy. Wished there was kind of an interface like Debian package search which can also search content of packages but doesn't seem to be available on rubygems.org
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<anildigital_work> some code anylysis tools like 'flog' report Rescue block should not be empty.
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<andrewvos> anildigital_work: Well they shouldn't
<andrewvos> It's about as bad as On Error Resume Next.
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<rue> anildigital_work: It’s a code smell. Sometimes it’s justified, usually it means you can/should do something differently
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<cldwalker> hi all, any advice on making a segfault more verbose? currently I get no stacktrace, running rspec on 1.9.3-p0
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<darix> gdb --args /usr/bin/ruby /path/to/rspec <rspecargs>
<darix> then
<darix> r
<darix> once it crashed
<darix> bt
<darix> bt full
<darix> but that assumes that debug symbols are available for ruby and all the involved libs
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<cldwalker> darix: thanks
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<jaimef> what is the cleaner way of stripping out something like a :?line.split[1].gsub(/:/,'')
<yxhuvud> tr ':', ''
<Mon_Ouie> delete ':'
<yxhuvud> hrrm, good point
<yxhuvud> always forget that one.
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<jaimef> thanks
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<erikh> [/w 3
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<Harzilein> wtf:
<Harzilein> def self.title_patterns
<Harzilein> [ [ /^(?:(.*)\/)?(.*)$/, [ [ :ruby_version, lambda{|x| x} ], [ :name, lambda{|x| x} ] ] ] ]
<Harzilein> end
<Harzilein> that pattern is so simple, it should be a lot clearer with string methods instead of a regex
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<Mon_Ouie> What does *not* get matched by the string?
<Mon_Ouie> regexp*
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<autarch> is there any sort of ruby code tidy tool?
<autarch> I'm just wondering if https://gist.github.com/3138158 looks like "normal" Ruby, for some value of normal
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<kristofferrr> autarch: Use unless instead of if !
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<kristofferrr> Also there are quite a few gems to detect code smell etc. for ruby. Never used any of them, so can't really help you choose.
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<Mon_Ouie> autarch: This is for my value of weird https://gist.github.com/3138234
<Mon_Ouie> (not that my coding style is the only acceptable one, yours is mostly fine)
<mistym> kristofferrr: That's a question of style, some people don't like beginning multiline statements with "unless" ;)
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<Mon_Ouie> I'm fine with "unless" except when there's an "else" — in that case I'd just use if and change the condition or swap the code blocks
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<autarch> note that the "end.something" is copied from the OptionParser docs
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<autarch> unless/else is the devil, I agree
<autarch> (I mostly do Perl, which offers the same horrible possible usage)
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<autarch> I guess there's nothing like perltidy for Ruby
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<ryker> hi all. i was wondering if I could get some help with chronic here. I notice that Chronic.parse("<wednesday at 22:00|this wednesday at 22:00>") all show the date of next wednesday.  I'm trying to get it to tell me today's date, since today is a wednesday. is there some other way to get today's date if it's the day of the week i'm asking about?
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<autarch> thanks for help, folks
<autarch> I cleaned up the code a bit
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<manveru> ryker: change the system clock to last yesterday? :)
<manveru> -last
<ryker> manveru: :)
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<foca> ryker: have you tried setting the :now option?
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<ryker> foca: didn't know that was an option :)
<ryker> let me try
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<ryker> foca: I tried this and it didn't work.
<ryker> Chronic.parse("this wednesday at 20:00", :now => Time.now)
<ryker> => 2012-07-25 20:00:00 -0500
<ryker> I guess I could pass it yesterday. :)
<foca> heh
<foca> yeah, but then "today at 20:00" won't work :p
<ryker> true, but it works for my use case.
<ryker> i'm checking for something that's going to recur weekly or daily.
<ryker> and I need to know if now is the time.
<ryker> so, if something is specified to run wednesday at 20:00, I can compare that to Time.now
<ryker> i'm actually using a range, but you get the idea
<ryker> thx for helping.
<ryker> this seems like a bug in chronic though. i guess i'll report it.
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<asahi> is there something like array1.zip(array2) where array2 would repeat if it's smaller than array1?
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<rue> asahi: How about array2.cycle.zip(array1) # Didn’t check
<rue> Er, actually
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<rue> asahi: The other way around. array1.zip(array2.cycle)
<asahi> rue: awesome. thanks
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<zenspider> rawr! minitest tests are 56 lines shorter and just as solid
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<rue> Yay
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