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<baweaver> Anyone familiar with gem name aliasing? Tempted to have a longhand and shorthand version of a gem. The obvious solution is to just push two gems and keep them in sync.
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<Radar> baweaver: why a long name too?
<baweaver> gem name is you_type_too_much
<baweaver> which to me is a tinge ironic
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<shevy> gem names can be aliased?
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<shevy> yesterday I found out that you can use <pre> tags somehow for describing a gem
<baweaver> it'll go through .*sh_history files looking for patterns for aliasing, and grade your last days shell session
<baweaver> it'll be especially harsh on items where history commands would work.
<shevy> https://rubygems.org/gems/terminal-size/versions/0.0.6 - I still have not found out how this is effectively done
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<baweaver> zsh_history is handy considering it stashes the exact time as an integer
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<baweaver> I will say I'm beginning to become very fond of some of rails datetime maths....
<baweaver> still heavy though, debating if I really need it.
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<baweaver> Looking into how to reverse read from a file in ruby without loading the entire thing into memory
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<baweaver> any hints where to look?
<baweaver> IO.readlines(file).reverse works but could become slow fast.
<eam> baweaver: read the file in reverse and write out a new one. Write every time you encounter a \n
<baweaver> finding that there's not really a built in
<eam> I doubt there is
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<baweaver> ripping through zsh history, better to read in reverse
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<baweaver> finding common substring patterns, where history could have been used, what aliases you should probably write already, etc.
<eam> baweaver: `tac #{file}`
<eam> ;-)
<baweaver> ha, fine fine
<eam> popen to avoid slurp
<baweaver> tail too I guess.
<eam> will tail do it?
<baweaver> There are a few SO answers on it.
<baweaver> just making sure there's not something I missed
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<baweaver> probably giving a talk at HTML5Conf up here on the 20th
<toretore> file.each_line.reverse_each ?
<baweaver> Title is: You Type Too Much
<baweaver> reads the entire file.
<baweaver> not a big deal for now.
<baweaver> I can optimize it later.
<eam> toretore: that'll slurp
<baweaver> first section goes over zsh aliases, then editor macro/snippets, then code generators, then meta generators
<eam> if it's an interview question they might be pressing to see if you can handle reading buffers and parsing out separators
<baweaver> that last one, oh that's fun.
<baweaver> If it were they'd catch me on that one.
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<baweaver> problem is I typed some invalid UTF-8 chat in there too somewhere so now I have to strip that bugger
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<baweaver> For now I'll slurp the thing and worry about getting useful info out
<baweaver> refactoring it for buffers / segmented reading later won't be too bad.
<baweaver> anyways, off to acquire foodstuffs for the rest of the week, then back home.
<baweaver> 'cheers
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<Me_Engine> Yo
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<Yzguy> o/
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<cantaberry> Using ubuntu with 1.9.1 and it can't find installed gems. How can I trouble shoot? The gem exists in /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems
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<toretore> cantaberry: output of `which ruby`?
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<cantaberry> Hi.
<cantaberry> usr bin ruby
<toretore> `which gem`?
<cantaberry> usr bin gem
<toretore> `gem env` > gist.github.com
<toretore> `ruby -v`
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<cantaberry> the gist command jsut created a local file.
<cantaberry> Oh.
<cantaberry> You want me to put i tthere.
<cantaberry> ;)
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<toretore> y
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<cantaberry> ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [x86_64-linux]
<cantaberry> I also had to install the gem as root.
<cantaberry> It wouldn't let me do it as my regular-priveledged user.
<toretore> 1.9.3 != 1.9.1
<cantaberry> Yea.
<cantaberry> I saw that too...
<cantaberry> But it seems to be lookign in the right place... how do I change that?
<cantaberry> gem install put it in the 1.9.1 directory.
<toretore> is /usr/bin/ruby a link to /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1 ?
<cantaberry> yes
<cantaberry> And if I do /usr/bin/ruby -v it still says 1.9.3.
<toretore> ruby -e'p $:'
<cantaberry> ["/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.9.1", "/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.9.1/x86_64-linux", "/usr/local/lib/site_ruby", "/usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/1.9.1", "/usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/1.9.1/x86_64-linux", "/usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby", "/usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1", "/usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/x86_64-linux"]
<toretore> hm, you may have to require('rubygems') first
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<toretore> i don't remember in which version that became unnecessary
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<cantaberry> Should I trash the RPM and reinstall?
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<toretore> rpm?
<cantaberry> package.
<cantaberry> Doing it now.
<toretore> make sure there is no ruby in your system after you've removed it
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<toretore> and use --purge or quivalent
<toretore> eq
<cantaberry> I think I was missing a x library so gosu crapped out
<cantaberry> One sec.
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<cantaberry> Okay.
<cantaberry> Now it looks like its building.
<cantaberry> Nope.
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<toretore> what do you mean building?
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<toretore> on gem install?
<toretore> if it doesn't compile then it's not installed
<cantaberry> Amazing what happens when you look at the readme: https://github.com/gosu/gosu/wiki/Getting-Started-on-Linux
<cantaberry> Figured that out... :)
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<cantaberry> Okay. I think it's finding the library now. The include doesn't fail... but it doesn't draw anything. Just hangs there.
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<TTilus> cantaberry: trying one of the samples?
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<tmillc> cantaberry: gosu is fun but tricky. I got the tutorial program working fine, but the first original thing I tried implemented never worked out and I moved on.
<tmillc> but I also don't know much about gamedev so I was probably putting my logic in the redraw spot, or something, who knows.
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<Neon> Hello. Do you know of a possibility to setup a global key input listener in a Ruby application (Windows)? E.g. I have the Ruby program running in background, press a key or key combination and in my Ruby program a handler for the key is called?
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<baweaver> Not in Ruby, you'd have to drop to C.
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<baweaver> which would be different for every OS you'd use considering they treat input devices differently.
<baweaver> that being said, it can be used for nefarious purposes, so I won't say much more than that.
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<Neon> That's a valid point so it's probably better that this is not an easily accessible feature. Thanks for the information though.ö
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<nix0> Why is the OptionParser object referred to as 'opts' inside its block?
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<apeiros> nix0: you can give it any name
<apeiros> it's an ordinary block argument
<nix0> apeiros: Yeah, I know that. But I was wondering why name it 'opts'? Is that short for 'options' because it's an optionparser object not an options object.
<apeiros> yes, it quite likely stands for "opts"
<apeiros> *options
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<nix0> apeiros: Does it make more sense to name the block argument option_parser or something similar? I know it doesn't really matter but...
<apeiros> as said, you can name it whatever you want
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<apeiros> if it makes more sense to you to call it option_parser - just do so
<nix0> aperios: Okay.
<apeiros> ?tabnick nix0
<ruboto> nix0, pro-tip - use tab completion for nicks. avoids typos in nicks.
<nix0> apeiros: I didn't actually know you could do that. Thanks.
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<shevy> good morning ruby!
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<TTilus> good afternoon, #ruby! (and now some football, u know, the one you play with your feet ;)
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<shevy> people are so lazy on sundays
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<pontiki> indeed
<pontiki> a day of rest
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* Total_noob Do not be fooled. The 'pros' do not need the noob help, and they code any time they feel to, Sundays included. .. Just discovered I had 1.9.3 Ruby installed all time long and that compiling newer worked out somehow too.
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<pontiki> quite so. i code even when i'm idling in here, or when i'm not in here at all.
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<pontiki> it can be quite meditative and restful
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<jokke1> if i wanted to split a string at an _unescaped_ delimiter ":", how would i do this? The regex i'm using is /(?<!\\)(\\\\)*:/
<jokke1> but since lookbehinds have to have a fixed length, i can't leave the potential unescaped backslashes out of the match
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<jhass> yeah, not really possible with regex, a simple parser should be easier
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<apeiros> can be done with scan, though
<apeiros> str.scan(/(?:\\[^:]|[^:])*/m)
<hololeap> does anyone know if eventmachine and activerecord play nice together? i'm having some strange issues
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<hololeap> when i try to do a database call within the eventmachine loop it hangs the thread
<hololeap> mabe pg is the culprit
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<[k-> err i dont think you should use io in a event loop?
<[k-> start a new thread?
<jhass> >> "foo\\:bar".scan(/(?:\\[^:]|[^:])*/m)
<ruboto> jhass # => ["foo\\", "", "bar", ""] (https://eval.in/444552)
<jokke1> apeiros: yeah scan works with /(.+?(?<!\\)(?:\\\\)*?)(?::|$)/
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<jokke1> >> 'foo\\:bar\\\:baz:foobar'.scan(/(.+?(?<!\\)(?:\\\\)*?)(?::|$)/)
<ruboto> jokke1 # => [["foo\\:bar\\\\"], ["baz"], ["foobar"]] (https://eval.in/444553)
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<prateekp> how to configure mkmf conf.rb ?
<prateekp> are there some good examples
<prateekp> in python there is setup.py which has options like extra_compile_args, libraries, include_dirs, library_dirs etc
<prateekp> how can this be done in ruby?
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<hololeap> [k-: it's running inside a EventMachine::ThreadedResource ... isn't that threaded automatically?
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<hololeap> i need to look at that and see how it works
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<[k-> i have never used any event library before :s
<[k-> but an event loop is like breathing
<[k-> if you do something large before your next breath, like sing a song (without breathing), you'd probably die
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<hololeap> meh, i've used it before and didn't have any issues. i can't figure out what i'm doing differently...
<[k-> i dont think em would do something so crazy to start a new thread for each loop
<[k-> it will quickly cause ruby to run out of resources
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<goldfish6744> is there no scheduler that can delay the start of new threads based on (non)-available resources
<goldfish6744> ?
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<hololeap> i'm going to try celluloid instead
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<hololeap> since none of my i/o is tied to em
<[k-> goldfish6744: and do what? block?
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<goldfish6744> much like how, say, a web server blocks requests if it's running out of resources, yea
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<hololeap> goldfish6744: what platform are you running on?
<goldfish6744> Win x64, but irrelevant, it was just a thought based on what [k- said earlier
<hololeap> goldfish6744: oh...
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<goldfish6744> and to add to that, I have sorry little understanding of Ruby, or of OO programming in general
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<hololeap> ruby probably isn't the best program to learn OO concepts in. it's too easy to break the rules
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<hololeap> *language
<hololeap> not program
<cantaberry> Can someone point me in the right direction? I think I'm having issues with the window attr_reader width in 17... https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8bde45386d90fd4635f1
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<shevy> you pass self
<manveru> cantaberry: what's the issue?
<shevy> are you sure this is right?
<Coraline> cantaberry: the_window is out of scope
<hololeap> cantaberry: you never saved the_window to an instance variable
<Coraline> You never capture it in initialize
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<manveru> well, ok, that issue :)
<cantaberry> It's an agrument...
<cantaberry> How would you do that?
<manveru> but not an argument to the other methods
<hololeap> yeah but it's a local variable so it dies when the method ends
<Coraline> @the_window = the_window
<hololeap> you need to use instance variables (starts with a @) to be able to use it between methods
<cantaberry> But the method doesn't ned does it?
<cantaberry> Oh.
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<Coraline> update needs it
<cantaberry> I guess initialize does.
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<Coraline> If you're going to reference it on 17 then you need to capture it somewhere.
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<[k-> java best oo learning language?
<hololeap> [k-: c# :p
<hololeap> [k-: use mono if you hate microsoft
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<[k-> those are not nearly as popular
<hololeap> [k-: so?
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<[k-> there is no so. it just is.
<hololeap> c# is probably more popular than ruby
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<hololeap> mono is actually pretty good from what i've seen. i just don't usually program in windows so i don't use .NET
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<shevy> c# is now ranked 4 on TIOBE which we can all agree is the ultimate authority on programming languages popularity http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
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<shevy> the TIOBE ranking is so good that ruby manages to jump +6 ranks in one year, can you believe this?
<shevy> I guess the only dataset that is somewhat useful is the objective-c versus swift one
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<[k-> i do not trust tiobe
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<goldfish6744> holy cr@p, none of the languages I know are there :/
<[k-> this probably shows you are old
<[k-> or tiobe is just wrong
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<hololeap> or you just don't like mainstream languages...
<goldfish6744> well, okay, assembly, but not on any x86-based thing
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<goldfish6744> (6510 assembly)
<hololeap> it looks like ruby was at its peak back in 2009
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<goldfish6744> but in the textual evaluation bit they also say Ruby users started working hard
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<goldfish6744> so that's probably a good thing for them
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<shevy> hololeap yeah probably... I am trying to get a better overall picture by using something like:
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<shevy> but it's not a good way to search :\
<shevy> the overall trend is somewhat ok I think
<shevy> php lost somewhat, python gained quite a bit, perl lost a bit and ruby is sorta in between perl and php
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<Coraline> You can also look at the breakdown of projects on Github I suppose.
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<shevy> yeah well we always gain only a fraction of the overall view
<shevy> e. g. I am very active on rubygems.org but rather inactive on github
<shevy> Rails must have really been riding on a huge hype from back then, pretty every chart shows a jump in the 2006-2009 time span
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<shevy> do we have something like youtube-dl in ruby?
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<arup_r> shevy: you want to download videos from youtube ?
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<shevy> nah
<shevy> I am using youtube-dl :)
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<arup_r> ok.
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<User458764> Hi, where can I question about Rack?
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<shevy> you can try here, the author of rack ( chris2 ) is also here :-)
<User458764> shevy great :)
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<User458764> I would like to map /foo to an URL in short
<User458764> I mean an external URL
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<f4cl3y> Hello
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<f4cl3y> How can I pass a multiline string to system shell in ruby?
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<f4cl3y> I used the backtick, but it prints "not found" for the following lines.
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<shevy> do normal commands have a newline as part of their name f4cl3y
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<shevy> ideally show the code you are trying to use, and verify that the binary exists and works on your system
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<DEA7TH> I've read somewhere that it's best practice in Ruby to keep your function bodies up to 2-5 lines of code, and split them into smaller functions if necessary. Is it a good practice to write bigger functions, if they are readable and can't be split into anything reusable? I've always hated functions which are only used in one place.
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<shevy> the main argument for smaller methods is that they can be easier changed or modified
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<toretore> DEA7TH: keep methods as short as possible
<toretore> if it can be refactored, refactor it
<DEA7TH> toretore: any arguments for that?
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<toretore> DEA7TH: many
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<yottanami> Hey all
<yottanami> I need to create code/deployment/build/server configuration web based DOCUMENTATION. do you have any recommend?
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<brojo> Anyone in here loooking for work? I need a Ruby developer to finish a project that was started by old programmer who disappeared on me. Please skype me: rob.j.1985 if you are interested.
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<DEA7TH> Is it allowed to post job seeking/offerings on Freenode? Awesome, I didn't know that.
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<shevy> it's quite rare that people try to recruit on #ruby really
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<arup_r> yes shevy
<arup_r> But we could have one separate
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<wasamasa> I wonder what the success rate is
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<wasamasa> or at the very least, the response rate
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<shevy> probably less than 1%
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<wasamasa> and now it's sunk to 0%
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<DEA7TH> Why would this be the case? Apart from jobs being usually region-restricted.
<wasamasa> because he had a ping timeout
<DEA7TH> I mean in general
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<shevy> it is usually not a good medium for recruitment
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<shevy> most people here will have a day job
<shevy> 90% are usually idle (99% on sundays)
<shevy> :D
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<DEA7TH> Some are contractors
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<shevy> poor folks
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<BraddPitt> well, i guess it couldn't hurt to skype him huh?
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<shevy> go ahead!
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<DEA7TH> I'd also skype him, had I not uninstalled Skype.
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<DEA7TH> Whoever decided that IRC clients should display join/quit messages alongside with chat messages is an idiot. (or just lazy)
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<phreakocious> DEA7TH: turn it off?
<goldfish2310> think in most IRC clients you can set them not to be displayed
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<BraddPitt> it is helpful in smaller, more intimate channels
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<DEA7TH> It's useful sometimes.
<jhass> the good clients let you filter it according to user activity
<BraddPitt> but for something this big I would turn it off
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<phreakocious> I can turn it off per-channel
<phreakocious> I think even mIRC could do that :)
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<DEA7TH> mIRC was actually the least awful client I used. Possibly except for Konversation.
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<banister> DEA7TH mirc looks crappy though, it hasn't (iirc) improved its design much from the 90s
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<phreakocious> sure you didn't mean to go to #TCL ? :)
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<goldfish2310> used to love Xchat client...
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<dreinull75> I use Sequel for Object mapping and I need a simple way to visualize the objects. It's all just strings, numbers and dates and some associations. So I was thinking maybe here's someone who has done this kind of object preseantion before. I'm using Sinatra so any CSS or JS solution would be highly appreciated.
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<dreinull75> I did Google but couldn't really come up since I'm lacking terminology for what I'm doing.
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<dreinull75> I should read before I hit enter...
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<ruby-lang280> Hello
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<ruby-lang280> Hello, I am looking to define a method that returns the area of a circle. I am getting an error, can someone please help me with this issue?
<BraddPitt> ?help ruby-lang280
<ruboto_> ruby-lang280, You can find an overview of my commands at http://ruby-community.com/ruboto/commands
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<BraddPitt> oof
<BraddPitt> not what I wanted
<BraddPitt> well ruby-lang280 post your code with what you expect to get and what you are actually getting
<BraddPitt> via gist, please
<havenwood> ?gist
<ruboto_> https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
<shevy> DEA7TH I disabled seeing join and quit messages many years ago; I also don't see time stamps. It's much easier for me to focus on just what is said, rather than when it is said
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<BraddPitt> I find timestamps help
<BraddPitt> because I have a persistent screen on my server that I ssh into for irc usage, so I know if what i'm seeing is stale text or new
<atmosx> I had removed the join/part messages but it was a nightmare.
<atmosx> You need to configure the client to at least notify you when someone that was talking the last 5-10 minutes parted.
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<shevy> what client are you using atmosx?
<atmosx> shevy: now textual. Usually I use weechat on a tmux session
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<ruby-lang280> hello
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<buharin> hello
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<ruby-lang280> Hello, I am looking to define a method that returns the area of a circle. I am getting an error, can someone please help me with this issue?
<ruby-lang280> what is the best way to get help with these issues?
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<ruby-lang280> def circle @pi = 3.1416 @r = params[:radius] @area = @pi*@radius**2 end
<ruby-lang280> NoMethodError in AreasController#circle undefined method `**' for nil:NilClass Extracted source (around line #10): 8 9 10 11 12 13 @pi = 3.1416 @r = params[:radius] @area = @pi*@radius**2 end def triangle
<ruby-lang280> This is what I am getting
<shevy> put your code on gist or another pastie
<ruby-lang280> sorry about that, here is the gist link
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<shevy> no that is not the code
<ruby-lang280> shevy did you see the code via gist?
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<shevy> for instance params[:radius]
<shevy> so your code can not possibly work
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<ruby-lang280> what is the way to fix this? I have tried many variations
<ruby-lang280> please guide me
<shevy> your code is not complete
<ruby-lang280> ill paste gist for code for square which is working
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<ruby-lang280> this is the gist for square which is working
<BraddPitt> ruby-lang280 you are assigning radius to @r but on line 4 calling it @radius
<shevy> nope, your second code is not working
<shevy> do not make gists that are incomplete
<BraddPitt> you need to remain consistent with your variable names
<BraddPitt> otherwise, how would it know what you are referencing!
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<ruby-lang280> I understand, when I put radius instead of @r it's still giving the same error.
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<ruby-lang280> can you please help me on fixing the code?
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<DEA7TH> Timestamps are awesome. And Colloquy displays them unobstructively, which wasn't necessary but is nice.
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<BraddPitt> ruby-lang280 then there must be no value for params[:radius] coming through
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<ruby-lang280> Request Parameters: {"radius"=>"3"}
<ruby-lang280> in the error log
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<ruby-lang280> it is getting radius parameter, its not running it however.
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<shevy> ruby-lang280 if this were true, then params[:radius] could not work because 'radius' is a string
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<ruby-lang280> I got it now :) I realized my error of not converting the string .to_f
<ruby-lang280> thanks a lot
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<ruby-lang013> hello
<havenwood> ruby-lang013: hi
<ruby-lang013> so is this the infamous "ruby IRC"
<ruby-lang013> ?
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<ruby-lang013> is anyone gonna talk about anything???
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<goldfish2310> think you scared everyone off
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<ruby-lang013> lol
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<goldfish2310> or offended them by calling the chan infamous
<ruby-lang013> this is my first time logging in to this IRC, just wanted to see what it is like
<ruby-lang013> im learning ruby and rails
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<ruby-lang013> but i hear that this chat inst friendly to noobs, just wanted to see myself
<goldfish2310> helpful, generally, for people with precisely defined problems who post code
<ruby-lang013> i see
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<ruby-lang013> thats cool
<havenwood> ruby-lang013: how's the learning Rails going so far?
<ruby-lang013> been learning it for about a week, so im still trying to piece it together and understand the whats and whys
<ruby-lang013> going through the Odin Project
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<ruby-lang013> lookin to make a career switch in about a year...hopefully
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<BraddPitt> Can someone explain how this line finds .gitignore without specifying a path? https://github.com/laserlemon/figaro/blob/master/lib/figaro/cli/install.rb#L22
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<havenwood> ruby-lang013: If you have any Ruby questions or need a code review this is a good place. There's a #RubyOnRails channel for Rails-specific stuff as well.
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<ruby-lang013> ok cool!
<ruby-lang013> well thanks guys, ill catch ya later
<havenwood> ?rails
<ruboto_> Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
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<havenwood> BraddPitt: Use File#exist? since File#exists? is deprecated. It just checks in the current working directory, right?
<havenwood> BraddPitt: I don't think I understand your question, say more?
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<BraddPitt> well a .gitignore is usually in the root of a dir. How is that method call supposedly finding the .gitignore if no path is supplied?
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<jhass> should be relative to the current working directory
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<HoloIRCUser3> Has anyone use ruby to program sysadmin scripts?
<Coraline> That's how Ruby got started.
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<HoloIRCUser3> Coraline: So, you think it is good for that. Thanks
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<zhkirill>
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<HoloIRCUser3> Coraline: i have to teach scir
<HoloIRCUser3> CORA
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<HoloIRCUser3> Coraline: i have to teach scripting,but havent enoght time and must chose only one. So i decide choose ruby.
<zhkirill> Good choice
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<HoloIRCUser3> Zhkirill: thanks for your opinions. I must convince my colegees because they arent so comfortable with ruby
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<jhass> HoloIRCUser3: what's the alternative, plain old shell scripting? perl?
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<jhass> Ruby has fun stuff in stdlib for system scripting, for example https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/lib/un.rb#L9
<zhkirill> Python, which I don't really like.
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<HoloIRCUser3> Jhass: I choose ruby but they told me to teach bash and powershell, but i havent enough time so i said ruby it could by good for several platforms..
<HoloIRCUser3> Thanks jhass for url
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<HoloIRCUser3> Jhass: OK ,I see thanks.
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<jhass> and many popular deployment/orchestration solutions are written in Ruby, https://github.com/markets/awesome-ruby#devops-tools
<zhkirill> +
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<msyvich> Is there a Ruby equivalent of of Underscore’s “pluck”? http://underscorejs.org/#pluck
<msyvich> I want the same field from all items of an array… in a resulting array
<msyvich> from all hashes* in an array
<msyvich> w/o using a block if i don’t have to
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<jhass> .map {|h| h["foo"] } is as short as it gets really
<jhass> I believe recent ActiveSupport added pluck
<jhass> for array of hashes that is
<baweaver> did it?
<baweaver> that's an AR method
<jhass> read something somewhere, probably unreleased
<baweaver> there're probably a ton of Rails methods I don't know either way.
<msyvich> cool thanks jhass
<msyvich> the one liner isn’t so bad really
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<baweaver> well I'll be
* baweaver remembers to use that later.
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