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<TRS-80> gn
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<Tonymac32> OK, testing things time
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<Tonymac32> channel operator seems confused
<TRS-80> no, it auto assigns when I come in, then I take it off
<TRS-80> there is probably some way to set that up but haven't gotten around to it yet
<JackFrost> You'll have to poke Werner or Igor to to remove +VO from you.
<TRS-80> I like how they do in ##linux where you never really know who the Ops are, until they don the cape and start swinging the ban hammer when you are acting the fool
<lanefu> you have to identify with nickserv
<lanefu> ohh for other chan
<TRS-80> how to keep Op but not default to it on login?
<TRS-80> no in here (I was just giving example)
<JackFrost> So, they'll have to /cs flags #armbian TRS-80 -VO
<TRS-80> I will talk to Werner__ I guess
<Tonymac32> trying this mesa/lima workaround
<Tonymac32> ...and looking into why we have 50% RAM on mainline with Renegade
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<lanefu> is that the 4 gig renegade?
<TRS-80> OK, doing `/msg ChanServ help flags` I guess I need to do +o and -O, let me see if I can do that myself
<Tonymac32> yep
<Tonymac32> 4 gig renegade showing 2 gig
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<Tonymac32> alright, the fix works. :-)
<Tonymac32> for display
<lanefu> sweet thanks for teh additional validation
<lanefu> bug squashed...sorta
<Tonymac32> bug sidestepped
<lanefu> yeah thats it
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<lanefu> anybody know whats up with the libre.computer guys? they were cranking out stuff and I was super excited about them, but they've been quiet
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<Tonymac32> OK, opps are there, we just must be setting max speed to 1.3 GHz somewhere I can't remember. A user who cares can change it
<Tonymac32> Ah, it's in the "rockchip64_common.inc" file, ok
<lanefu> :P
<Tonymac32> not maybe the most expected place. ;-)
<lanefu> yah.. everyday we get a little closer to sanity i suppose
<Tonymac32> perhaps in the board file, so we don't blanket per cpu, but no time at the moment
<lanefu> i added a big case statement to translate board families to their respective generic ones in my testing code
<Tonymac32> I notice the rockchip rkbin does not even contain the ram binary we are using for RK3328
<lanefu> so whats that mean as far as tech debt
* lanefu apologies for using such words
<lanefu> JackFrost: are you into SBCs at all?
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<Tonymac32> lanefu it means I don't know where it came from
<lanefu> hmmmm okay.. well if its something youd like me to track to work on latr let me know
<lanefu> alright time to crash have a swell evening
<TRS-80> gn lanefu
<Tonymac32> yeah same. This RAM thing will need to wait
<TRS-80> gn Tonymac32 :)
<Tonymac32> gn
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<keesj> Hi, I am looking for a new board to run armbian on. perfferably something that I can run for a few year, open source friendly , 1Gig ram and the possibilty to attach an SSD if possible.
<keesj> and.. low power consumption please :P
<keesj> I have already a NanoPi-NEO-Plus2, and a few limes (a10)
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<keesj> any .. best board suggestions? I will be running .. in the basement (home server and possibly some "home assistant" type thing) but no UI
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<ning> you need to provide detailed requests, eg WIFI? gigabyte ethernet? AI?
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<keesj> It will be wired, network speed == don't care
<keesj> AI.. perhaps but low power is more important to me and the main reason for looking now is that my lime a10 is not well supported, software is getting old and memory can use an upgrade
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<keesj> thinking about it 2 Gig , some "lxc" type support and possibly AI might change the way I use the device.
<keesj> but.... anything popular enough to have good support for 2 years.. (and not raspberry pi) is good
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<solderfumes> Hello! I'm trying to get USBIP working. On my desktop this is in the linux-tools package, which isn't in the list of packages when I compile the Armbian kernel (mainline orangepi arm64)
<solderfumes> there are other programs in this package as well, like perf
<Werner__> It seems like this package has been dropped from Debian Stretch/Ubuntu Xenial. Probably superseded by another package
<Werner__> Did you try the package "usbip"
<solderfumes> Werner__: I have disco installed on my desktop, and usbip still depends on a kernel-specific linux-tools package
<Werner__> Then you better go ask Ubuntu themselves for two reasons: First Armbian does not officially support in-between-releases, stable/LTS only and 2nd this issue seems OS related. Armbian just provides the possibility to compile a running kernel for specific boards and put a minimal OS over it ;)
<solderfumes> that's why I'm hollering here, the package is built from the kernel source tree
<solderfumes> if I get the source package on my big boy ubuntu machine, it downloads the kernel source
<Werner__> Odd. Though from what I noticed is still that in newer distributions the package is no longer provided by neither Debian nor Ubuntu.
<Werner__> You can use the build script. When you compile a new kernel it always will create a linux-source package as well.
<solderfumes> the usbip package has been dropped, yes, but usbip is still available from the linux-tools package
<solderfumes> and /sbin/usbip is just a shell script that execs /usr/lib/linux-tools/$(uname -r)/usbip
<solderfumes> Let me know if there had been any reason not to build the linux-tools package. I'm going to rectify that.
<Werner__> linux-tools-common
<Werner__> I dont know why it is not built, maybe IgorPec can answer that.
<solderfumes> linux-tools-common has the shell script I mentioned
<Werner__> Did not realize how these two packages interact with each other, my bad. Never used that before tbh
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<solderfumes> So anyway I got usbip to compile by installing the kernel source and running the native compiler
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<solderfumes> I won't be making any patches for this, since armbian uses the bindeb-pkg rule from the Linux makefiles. Adding in the autotools steps, similar to how Debian packages linux-tools, would be too much complexity for what is essentially `usbip` and `perf`
<IgorPec> but usbip modules are enabled in all kernels
<solderfumes> yes, but they need the kernel version specific userspace programs from tools/usb/usbip
<solderfumes> they aren't compiled when you run `make bindeb-pkg`
<IgorPec> ahaa. but should they be?
<solderfumes> and they also need autotools and libtool build dependencies
<solderfumes> I guess it would be nice to have, but keeping compile.sh simple is also nice to have.
<solderfumes> sorry, it's in compilation.sh
<solderfumes> For usbip, it is required to run an `./autogen.sh && ./configure && make`
<IgorPec> this part is optional, not build always and can be complicated
<IgorPec> we compile more complicated stuff inside chroot
<solderfumes> I don't know, IgorPec... Doesn't look like it would work
<solderfumes> you'd need to repeat it for every kernel release
<IgorPec> ahaa, then its more complicated.
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<TRS-80> does people mind using the generic term "search internet" instead of "Google"
<TRS-80> REEEEEEEE
<TRS-80> ./Stallman
<TRS-80> :D
<lanefu> lol
<lanefu> Google is an optimised statement
<lanefu> how about searchify
<TRS-80> I realize that, but by doing so we are unintentionally promoting 8000 pound proprietary gorilla
<TRS-80> 8,000,000 even
<TRS-80> 8 Google, as I think originally google actually mean a reall big number
<lanefu> its spelled different
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<emOne> does armbian use x11?
<emOne> linux on arm is very much like voodoo for me
<emOne> there are all sorts of device drivers that work in android but not in any other linux os
<emOne> there are these dtb files these days
<emOne> what happened to the days when linux was supposed to work on a toaster?
<sarnold> toaster vendor sdon't see why you'd want anything beyond the linux-3.3.19-cvs1254 version that they gave you
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<count-doku> Evening!
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<emOne> such is life
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<TRS-80> sarnold: +1
<TRS-80> evening count-doku
<sarnold> :)
<TRS-80> emOne: ^ should have ping you maybe
<TRS-80> too
<emOne> hello
<lanefu> emOne: yes uses X11
<emOne> thanks lanefu
<count-doku> Does armbian-config currently take any command line arguments I have to watch out for?
<lanefu> count-doku: I dont think it takes any... which is becoming a point of contention for a few people that are trying to automate around it
<count-doku> Yeah I'm working on it.
<lanefu> althogh i figure if you're automatinmg... maybe you dont need armbian conmfig :P
<count-doku> Atleast rudimentary arg support
<lanefu> yeah i'd focus on flags for the armbian specific thigns it does
<lanefu> not some of the luxry things like change hostname
<lanefu> there's other ansible modules to address that
<count-doku> Yeah of course. I will also not tackle the Software section.
<count-doku> Also no promise for anything ;) Just fiddling with it
<count-doku> I have no plan of Bash whatsoever...
<lanefu> count-doku: cool yeah no worries....
<emOne> arm based device drivers are worse than the whole nvidia propriatry drivers fiasco
<emOne> at least there were proprietary drivers for nvidia
<lanefu> emOne: yes its a pretty cruel ecosystem..... things are getting a bit better.. btu thats recent
<lanefu> a lot of it IMHO is newer anroids are making new kernels mandatory
<lanefu> but a lot is to reverse engineering efforts
<lanefu> bbl
<emOne> ok
<emOne> it wouldnt have to be this way if manufacturers just made their drivers open source
<emOne> but with embedded chips and drivers I guess it is all a bit different
<TRS-80> emOne: You are preaching to the chior (at least me anyway)
<TRS-80> re: open source drivers
<TRS-80> I gotta go though, need to do some work around home before wife gets home :D
<emOne> enjoy
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<JackFrost> lanefu: Oh sorry. I have a Pi, I need to actually get it up and running (I don't have everything for it), other than that not really though. I think what people come up with to do with the arduino or Pi can be pretty cool.
<lanefu> JackFrost: its funny how gratifying it is to just make an LED blink with your own code
<JackFrost> That being said, compiling for yet another arch for my personal repository doesn't seem too preferred.
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