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<archetech>
menu comes up if option is left empty
<lanefu>
woohoo PR CI testing is now setup on build repo
<lanefu>
...doesn't mean its accurate.. :P
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<archetech>
are you build server admin?
<archetech>
this sure beats building on the board
<lanefu>
Igor runs the build server that published hte official images.. I have my own, and am trying to integrate some automating test builds on our get repo
<lanefu>
yeah building a kernel on teh board sounds like it would take forever
<lanefu>
TRS-80: so will you just be using linux network stuff and iptables etc and just do your setup with cli
<TRS-80>
no probably OpenWrt, I almost got my head around IP tables finally but need something that "just works" until I level up in that dept
<lanefu>
i really wanna port VyOS to armbian
<TRS-80>
eventually maybe, but actually really looking forward to getting everything set up on this switch, and/or some vitualization and start playing with more network stuff
<TRS-80>
that's underlying Ubiquity stuff, right?
<TRS-80>
IIRC
<lanefu>
they're pretty diverged at this point
<TRS-80>
OK but Open Source base at some point?
<archetech>
guess Ill try a full image build
<archetech>
then an kern upgrade if needed
<lanefu>
yeah... except ubiquity hasn't be good about releasing their source
<TRS-80>
lanefu: > switching numbering system halfway through REEEEEEEEEEEE
<archetech>
or just to have done it
<archetech>
thks for the help lanefu
<TRS-80>
(referring to your patch panel) XD
<lanefu>
archetech: glad to help
<lanefu>
is that a good REEEEEE or bad REEEE
<TRS-80>
REEEing is not a qualitative judgement
<lanefu>
lol
<TRS-80>
how responsive are your ESP8266 devices?
<lanefu>
very
<lanefu>
pretty much instant
<lanefu>
i've replaced most of my zwave stuff with esp8266 stuff run tasmota
<TRS-80>
I started with NRF24L01+, had then had some trouble, need to diagnose further (that stuff is not for beginners)
<TRS-80>
MySensors
<TRS-80>
I seem to like to pick the hard option lol
<lanefu>
ha i have a handful of those... never used em
<TRS-80>
lately more experimenting with 433mhz and Wi-Fi stuff
<TRS-80>
"IntranetOT" I have heard referred to as Network Of Things or NOT which I liked a lot :)
<lanefu>
yeah thats a good name too
<TRS-80>
I lost the ESP8266 lottery with some cheap Tuya outlets I ordered off Ali, they have some unsupported chip :( so need to isolate them now somwhow on their own network segment with no way out
<TRS-80>
yeah I thought pretty catchy :) summarizes the whole problem quite nicely
<lanefu>
there's a guy named digiblurdiy thats goood at picking good tuya devices to use tuyaconvert on
<TRS-80>
I don't understand it all either, but I do some of it :)
<TRS-80>
BTW I ended up using Motion instead of ZoneMinder to do detection on my IP camera streams. Have it running on ODROID-XU4. Works great! And ties in to everything (mainly openHAB) nicely!
<TRS-80>
When I went to install, I took a good look at the complicated beast ZM has become over years and I was like WTF
<TRS-80>
one look at that and I was done, started looking for something else XD
<lanefu>
yeah its awful
<TRS-80>
luckily had read about Motion somewhere, gave it a try, pretty simple/easy and works great
<lanefu>
are you using motioneye for the pretty frontend?
<TRS-80>
no just Motion, I love lightweight "Unix Philosophy" do one job, etc...
<lanefu>
yeah i used it early on
<TRS-80>
camera (or motion) both provide RTSP and other streams
<lanefu>
with raspi camears and some usb ones
<TRS-80>
if needed
<lanefu>
i like that i can use the camera's IP for motion detectio now
<lanefu>
keeps the load nice and low
<TRS-80>
I may build some part of UI in openHAB for live camera feeds
<Tonymac32>
I need to start assembling that stuff
<lanefu>
likes motion for uix philosphy; automates home with java
<TRS-80>
I found the motion detection on these Xiami Dafang (Hacks) pretty lacking / unreliable
<TRS-80>
lanefu: should have seen my face during installation when I came across that requirement XD
<lanefu>
i went the homeassistant route... cuz python and yaml
<lanefu>
i'm sad because more of the config has gotten moved into the UI
<TRS-80>
still I don't know what else does all openHAB does, now that I am over famous learning curve, I feel like there is nothing I cannot add in to the system
<lanefu>
quality german engineering i'm sure
<TRS-80>
lanefu: I never used HA, but some refugees from there arrived at openHAB forums saying they were tired of some unreliability, breaking changes, or? (might not be remembering correctly details)
<TRS-80>
I'm amazed how well it actually runs, for a big Java thing
<TRS-80>
I have it only on Cubietruck, along with other services and it was chugging along fine until very recently
<TRS-80>
Tonymac32: which stuff?
* TRS-80
goes for beer
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 openHab/etc
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<Tonymac32>
I will at first OpenHab my shed I think
<Tonymac32>
as a tst bed
<lanefu>
i've been running HASS for 3 years... probably 3 or 4 breaking changes i've hit.. usually have been easy fixes
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<lanefu>
never reinstlled
<lanefu>
ha i have smart stuff in my garage && my shed :P
<lanefu>
i joke abotu having campus wifi since i have an AP in the detached garage
<TRS-80>
I hit some high CPU use recently but Cubietruck is still on Debian Jessie (!) and old version or openHAB, so I need to eliminate that before I can fairly blame OH
<TRS-80>
dude you have at least 3 Ubiquiti APs that I recall reading about in your setup, campus indeed XD
<TRS-80>
Tonymac32: if you get stuck let me know, but their docs are really good
<TRS-80>
once you get your head around their abstraction model, it's all downhill
<TRS-80>
just start out thinking "how would I make a tech/protocol agnostic system" and abstract those things out and you will be well on your way to understanding
<Tonymac32>
right
<TRS-80>
there are tons of examples also, usually good enough to get something working
<TRS-80>
oh also another thing not apparent at first, is there are a number of competing UIs and interfaces that are not all functionally equivalent
<TRS-80>
a bit weird at first but eventually you figure it out
<TRS-80>
start with PaperUI (as recommended) eventually you will probably move more and more to text files, but be aware PaperUI stores it's own settings in internal database....
<Tonymac32>
I kind of got that surfing around
<TRS-80>
well maybe you are just smarter than me :D
<Tonymac32>
also, since I have a literal pile of ESP32 prototypes from my Obsidian project: https://esphome.io/
<lanefu>
esphome is pretty neat
<lanefu>
im using it for an esp32 cam
<Tonymac32>
I have a pile of sparkfun beefcake relay boards, they switch 240V/20A
<Tonymac32>
logic input
<TRS-80>
> automating the air compressor never to come on in the middle of the night
<Tonymac32>
haha and the heater I have in there to keep it from freezing
<lanefu>
ha my compressor is on a zwave module :P
<Tonymac32>
I need to swap my new power cord on, I haven't yet for mine
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: im gonna have to check out those relays tho
<lanefu>
i always assumed you just needed a contactor for that much
<Tonymac32>
the relay is a JQX-15F
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<Tonymac32>
allright, Home Assistant vs OpenHab: Fight!
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<TRS-80>
lol
<TRS-80>
I am too old to get into religious wars
<TRS-80>
maybe I should try HA, lanefu was right about ZoneMinder after all :)
<TRS-80>
really^2 looking forward to getting into VMs, which makes experimenting with different software much less of a comittment
<TRS-80>
that sounded so whorish lol
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<keesj>
on the desktop lxc has made a huge difference to me (in terms of experimenting) and the same goed on the server but I did not combine this with the arm side of thing yet (aside from experiment with the Fairphone 2 and alternatives using lxc)
<keesj>
I am also plannig to make my home smart (but cloudless) currently I am using zigbee (and zigbeemqtt) and assistant . I don't know about openhab (did encounter esphome that also looked nice)
<IgorPec>
i am using openhab with z-wave network, working fine
<keesj>
I have mostly zigbee (konke sensors, ikea lamps and now a few thermostats)
<IgorPec>
i guess that should not be a problem ... Openhab / HA & others usually cover Zigbee very well
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<lanefu>
okay i've invited the forum and twitter to help test
<archetech>
gm lanefu
<archetech>
doin a full image with my coffee
<lanefu>
ha. thanks for reminding me about coffee
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<lanefu>
hi zhangn1985
<zhangn1985>
hi
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<TRS-80_mobile>
lanefu: You have to do anything special with your Verizon ONT to use your own router? Like clone MAC address, etc? My router keeps losing it's IP address.
<lanefu>
TRS-80_mobile: are you using their router in front, or just ethernet hand off from their ONT?
<TRS-80_mobile>
just ONT straight to my router
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<lanefu>
are we publishing -minmal images? or just making it an option the build system
<lanefu>
doesn't look like it
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<TRS-80>
lanefu: I don't know if the phone tech did anything or not (he said he cleared out some stuff) but gave me some tips and confirmed that third party router should be plug and play
<TRS-80>
so we will see I guess...
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<lanefu>
TRS-80: your router is in my network prayers
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<Tonymac32>
Guten Tag
<lanefu>
de nacho
<Tonymac32>
hmmmm
<Tonymac32>
buenos dias?
<lanefu>
works for me
<lanefu>
so the world is now eagerly testing armbian RC1
<Tonymac32>
I saw as much. Notice I asked for a double-check on SoC temperatures
<Tonymac32>
;-)
<lanefu>
yeah A+ for that
<Tonymac32>
^c4,1 test
<lanefu>
man we gotta pick back up on Hijax's testing boards
<Tonymac32>
yeah, I saw those, what were we going to do with them precisely?
<lanefu>
one was basically a serial multiplexer for console
<lanefu>
and the other was a sdcard multiplexer so that in theory you could write an image directly to a board attached
<lanefu>
actually you'd write to one card,and then it could attach it to different boards i think
<Tonymac32>
hmm ok
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<Tonymac32>
do you know how many times I've messed up a CLI command because of my gross tst keyboards? It's ridiculous
<Tonymac32>
my main keyboard is a nice mechanical one, all my other ones are membrane/etc
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 I entirely forgot about softy, goes to show how much I actually get to use the stuff I work on :D
<lanefu>
ha yah.. i use a wireless m$ keyboard touchpad combo made for media PCs for my SBC keyboard on a kvm
<Tonymac32>
testing this OpenHab installation out
<lanefu>
its not the best
<Tonymac32>
I have 2 "Amazon Basics" ones and a probably 18 year old Dell
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<lanefu>
i also try to do all my testing over SSH.. console last resort unless tinkering with desktop
<Tonymac32>
well, a lot of what I'm touching breaks the hardware itself, so I need to cycle through USB ports/HDMI/etc
<lanefu>
are any of you all using NFS boot to test builds?
<Tonymac32>
I've never tried
<Tonymac32>
lol openhab is using 100% of my Renegade CPU at the moment, I assume setup/updating?
<Tonymac32>
there we go, back to idel
<Tonymac32>
idle*&
<lanefu>
speaking of Renegade.. is libre computer dead?
<lanefu>
they've been super quiet
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<Tonymac32>
no, as far as I know they're fine, I haven't been given indication otherwise. Their website lists the S912 board that I believe is still in the works.
<Tonymac32>
I don't think they have a lot of "front end" people, so media outreach isn't going to be super strong
<Tonymac32>
As fas as the boards themselves go, I'm pretty well satisfied so far, and the software support is generally pretty good (exceptions include the Renegade, but I'm not sure Firefly/Rockchip is a winning combo TBH)
<Tonymac32>
and the RK3328 has the shittiest mainline support of the common RK's
<keesj>
give lxc works (also on that board) it give me the confidence to get something more high end for my next project. I am thinking 2 gig's of ram and an SSD type device. perhaps even the jetson nano
<keesj>
Of something with an enclosure to make it have a built-in storage
<lanefu>
keesj: there's tons of great options out there
<Tonymac32>
We don't currently support the Nano (I have one but haven't tried Armbian, I know Balbes was looking at it). The NanoPi M4V2 can handle an M.2 nvme
<Tonymac32>
with the addon-board, the NanoPC-T4 can handle on as sold
<Tonymac32>
Headless, the odroid HC1 takes 2.5" SSD's
<Tonymac32>
yeah, the hc2 is the same as their XU4, just with a SATA port and no HDMI. I run my home server on an XU4
<Tonymac32>
HC1 = HC2
<Tonymac32>
just different size box
<Tonymac32>
this interface is processor hungry, I'd say an RK3288/RK3399/S912/H6 would be preferred for OpenHAB
<Tonymac32>
of exynos 8-core
<Tonymac32>
Ah I see. Java. RIP
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<lanefu>
speaking of exynos.. did you see hardkenrel's having a firesale on the MC1-solos
<lanefu>
$9 bucks for 8 cores 2 gig ram and gigabit ethernet and 1 usb port... no gpio
<Tonymac32>
oh wow
<Tonymac32>
must not have gotten the attention they wanted for the processing power
<Tonymac32>
I quite frankly can't think of a solid use case for this... USB2, meh, no real storage...
<Tonymac32>
I might grab a couple, and use it for scaling my home server. Anything not hugely Disk I/O bound can operate via the network
<Tonymac32>
people get hung up on 32 vs 64 bit as well, ignoring a lot of really important details like kernel support.
<Tonymac32>
hmmm, by a couple I might mean 5...
<Tonymac32>
parallel computing is not something I've experimented with
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<lanefu>
Tonymac32: great for little clustering workloads
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: i run hashicorp nomad on a ton of mine
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<Tonymac32>
hello IgorPec
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<IgorPec>
hej
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<IgorPec>
tonymac32: ping
<Tonymac32>
hello
<IgorPec>
do we need to make another RC1 :)?
<Tonymac32>
haha Another RC1?
<IgorPec>
no, i mean RC2
<Tonymac32>
I haven't tested through all of my boards as yet. Specifically I haven't even looked at Amlogic, the RK3328 took a bit more attention than I had hoped. ;)
<IgorPec>
well, the plan is to put out release in two weeks. What is fixed is fixed, everything is not possible
<IgorPec>
but RK3328 is now O.K.? What was the problem in first place?
<Tonymac32>
right, I agree with that. As far as I can tell RK32 and the RK3328 are good enough, although I haven't tracked down the RAM speed issue Thomas mentioned, need to do some testing
<Tonymac32>
The "Current" patchset was just no good, it wasn't getting any USB3, the USB host bits weren't defined, etc
<Tonymac32>
Our U-boot ram blob is not part of the Rockchip repo. Do you know where it came from?
<IgorPec>
ahaa, yes, ayufan 2 mainline transition hasnt't been very well tested
<IgorPec>
from ayufan probably
<IgorPec>
pine -> ayufan
<Tonymac32>
ok. I will see if I can figure out what Firefly-->Libre Computer is doing there and see if that helps the Renegade, since it's DDR4
<Tonymac32>
I remember tweaking it long ago, I'm not sure any of that got retained
<IgorPec>
and now we got one more, that router R2S from FriendlyARM
<Tonymac32>
forgot that one
<IgorPec>
yeah, we got two, i send ont to Piter
<HerculeP>
Tonymac32: hc2 needs 12V, hc1 needs 5V
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* HerculeP
is running a hc2 /w sata ssd sucessfully for a year or so
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<Tonymac32>
HerculeP correct, for the 3.5" drive, but OS image/capabilities/connectivity, identical
<HerculeP>
yup
<Tonymac32>
I have a stack of MC1 solos on the way since they're so cheap
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<TRS-80>
After second call to Frontier, they suspect the ONT to be faulty, and are sending a tech out tomorrow. I just connected router back to old (but still on, luckily) service through Spectrum.
<archetech>
I can test 328 rc2 when the usb is fixed
<archetech>
3328
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<Tonymac32>
Archetech the Current images now have functional USB3
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<archetech>
thats no fun
<Tonymac32>
?
<Tonymac32>
TRS-80 did you see lanefu mention the MC1-solo being on fire sale?
<TRS-80>
Are those the $9 ones?
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<Tonymac32>
hahaha good. I might see about doing CI on my micro projects
<lanefu>
hardkernels shipping to USA is pretty fast.. usually less than a wek
<lanefu>
they use DHL
<TRS-80>
It wouldn't take much convincing, I love a good deal. What to use them for? Software motion detection? Then use ODROID-XU4s (2) I bought for that purpose for something else?
<TRS-80>
isn't it HardKernel that has those nice USB-SATA adapters that tkaiser was so keen on? Can be used to flesh out ofder and make shipping worth it.
<TRS-80>
s/ofder/order
<Tonymac32>
Well, the MC1 is only USB2 exposed, so not as fun.
<TRS-80>
I mean, in general, application is "compute node" amirite?
<Tonymac32>
tis true
<Tonymac32>
I'm talking to someone about it in a gaming chat actually
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<TRS-80>
I actually use a server mobo for my desktop workstation, if I needed to do some grunt work I already have that
<TRS-80>
yet I still search for an excuse... XD
<TRS-80>
(to buy some) :D
<Tonymac32>
lol my gaming/desktop is an i7-6800k, so it's more workstation than desktop
<Tonymac32>
I build Armbian on an i7-3770 with 16 GB RAM
<Tonymac32>
(my old gaming PC)
<Tonymac32>
I think I'll probably set up a Gogs server while I'm at it