<TRS-80> Cubietruck for few years and more recently just started with ODROID-XU4
<TRS-80> not counting RPi that I started with, still using for TV front end in living room
<TRS-80> you?
<TRS-80> been lately also looking for some small, inexpensive RPi alternative for multi-room audio, something I can attach a DAC/Amp to and speakers
<TRS-80> RPi3 + HifiBerry AMP2 works very well but AMP2 is a bit pricey at $50 and I don't like supporting RPi
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<Tonymac32> oh man, look at this
<Tonymac32> channel gods, logs, the whole 9
<TRS-80> I prefer the ##linux way, where you never really know who the OPs are
<TRS-80> until they +o themselves and swing the ban hammer
<Tonymac32> as for the Pi3, that is the reason I am here. What a pile
<TRS-80> imagine my shock
<TRS-80> gotta run though
<Tonymac32> I didn't hang in there long enough for their 200th closed source firmware fix
<Tonymac32> cheap
<Tonymac32> I've done audio endpoints with the original NanoPi Neo 256 MB
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<TRS-80> Tonymac32: Are either of those compatible with HAT? Unfortunately most add on boards seem to support that format.
<Tonymac32> yes
<Tonymac32> well, let's be real for a second, the EEPROM thing is a gimmick
<Tonymac32> and is unnecessary for civilized equipment. ;-)
<TRS-80> Those Amazon reviews: 2.6 stars worth of Dunning-Kreuger
<TRS-80> I meant audio add on boards
<TRS-80> for endpoints
<Tonymac32> anythin with I2S will work generall. PS2 at the moment, talk in a bit
<TRS-80> roger that
<TRS-80> OK you might have to re-map pins though, I take it...
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<lanefu> TRS-80: most of my worker bees are Orange pi flavors... I have a Odroid n2 running as a desktop that i'm happy with
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<lanefu> well i have a semi-accurate testing job for armbian builder
<lanefu> but greps are hard... i modified orangepiplus2e, but based on the way i itterate, the job matched on orangepiplus and built that kernel instead
<lanefu> and of course i have the boardfamily to kernel mapping to deal with stuff
<Tonymac32> so the PCM pins are in the right spots, should just need to enable that I2S via overlay
<lanefu> Tonymac32: are you using mpd on your DAC sbcs?
<Tonymac32> yes, I have the little DAC hats for the NanoPi Neo
<lanefu> are you just playing flacs or something frmo your own collection or do you use streaming services with it
<lanefu> i keep on sticking with my chromecast audio because it works with stuff
<Tonymac32> my collection. Although I did find a nice Pandora streamer
<Tonymac32> I may have... a lot of music
<lanefu> hehe
<Tonymac32> I'm only a moderate audiophile type, so I am OK with CD-ripped FLAC, you can get ridiculously cheap CD's out there
<Tonymac32> I do have some excessive stuff though
<Tonymac32> I want to get the JustBoom hats figured out, but Time.
<lanefu> man i kept on killing all my like late 90's early 2000s reciever amps
<lanefu> and just started buying little chinese fosi audio amps
<lanefu> so i got this tiny 100watt amp driving my speakers in teh garage and its freakin amazing
<lanefu> so its made me a little dac inspired but probably still too much hassle
<Tonymac32> hahaha I have a pioneer vsx-305 from the 90's, still works
<lanefu> alright so check this out i forreal have armbian building on github prs https://snipboard.io/YKxPjQ.jpg
<TRS-80> lanefu: Mopidy is mpd + various streaming backends
<lanefu> now i do have a 90s ioners vsx-??? and is still working
<Tonymac32> hahaha
<TRS-80> can still be controlled by mpd clients, but nice pluggable backend architecture
<Tonymac32> the zone buttons on mine are flaky, need to clean
<lanefu> see pretty jenkins output.. https://snipboard.io/Nlspym.jpg
<Tonymac32> TRS-80 I made that google sheets for my uses, then decided to share
<Tonymac32> lanefu nice
<lanefu> the testing logic is like 50% accurate lol, hopefully i can actually integration with our official repo this weekend
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: So this is for re-mapping various hardware to fit HATs? By changing pin assignments in software? Or?
<lanefu> *integrate
<Tonymac32> well, yeah, for reference
<TRS-80> I was going to ask you if you think there is a market to start mfr conversion boards, to make available common HATs on different platforms...
<Tonymac32> So whatever your DAC is, you can figure out what IO's you need to doodle to make it work
<Tonymac32> well, most * not all * of these are interchangeable if they have the 40 pin header
<Tonymac32> noatble exception is the Odroid C2
<Tonymac32> it has a couple weird ones
<TRS-80> Yeah I like AMP2, so you are saying there are other boards I could put that on?
<TRS-80> I really like that software volume control for the "Sonos like" experience
<TRS-80> I found some less expensive Chinese knockoff DAC + AMP, but it appears to have a volume knob :/
<Tonymac32> looks like the same IC
<TRS-80> well as an semi-audiophile (and EE) I am sure you know it has more to do with the implementation than the part number
<Tonymac32> I also know that speakers account for the majority of distortion. ;-)
<TRS-80> 2x55 watts! Holy Christ! HifiBerry is only 2x25 IIRC
<TRS-80> and we find that plenty loud enough
<TRS-80> also AMP2 is $50!
<Tonymac32> I would take the power numbers with a grain or two of salt
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: I have the best inexpensive speakers that money can buy! :)
<TRS-80> Tonymac32: Sort of what I was thinking, but still...
<TRS-80> Dayton Audio master race XD
<TRS-80> it's... literally OFF THE CHARTS XD
<Tonymac32> So at 24 volts into 4 ohms maybe 55, but the distortion would be over 10%
<Tonymac32> so 25 is the happy number I think
<TRS-80> hence HifiBerry more realistic numbers, which I actually believe
<Tonymac32> and RMS vs Peak
<TRS-80> OK cool, so what is cheapest board I can find to go with this JustBoom amp hat?
<TRS-80> And do you have any experience with it?
<TRS-80> I'm sure shipping will kill the $29 price. Too bad I just placed an order with seeed not too long ago... :/
<Tonymac32> yeah, I'm a little curious as to how so cheap. I need to see the drivers for that thing, it has I2C going into that amplifier
<TRS-80> Because it's in China. Same thing from local supplier is +$10 or 15...
<TRS-80> And by the time you add shipping, I'm sure it will be...
<TRS-80> good night!
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<on3pk> Is armbian compatible with the $15 H2+ Libre Computer Tritium board?
<Tonymac32> yes, it is the same as the H3 board
<Tonymac32> all the differences in the SoC are handled by the drivers
<Tonymac32> I have the H2+, H3 and H5 ones for testing
<Tonymac32> on3pk ^
<on3pk> Gotcha, cool thanks!
<Tonymac32> Mind you, it's a slow little board, only get it if you need something very specific where cost is the driver
<on3pk> Hm. Gonna use it as a router. Maybe that's a bad idea
<Tonymac32> That depends. It's certainly more powerful than some router hardware, but only has 1 NIC. would you use USB for the other?
<Tonymac32> or just tie it to a switch?
<Tonymac32> I don't play in that realm at all. ;-)
<on3pk> Uhm, it would basically be an adapter between a usb modem and a wifi base station
<on3pk> it's more or less a scam to stick it to the cable companies -- it just happens that I'm the victim since LTE coverage is not great where I am
<Tonymac32> lol ok, that makes sense
<Tonymac32> I don't know why it wouldn't work, as long as you've got the drivers for the modem
<on3pk> I haven't looked for any drivers. I plugged it into a RPi and it just worked
<on3pk> I figure they must be part of the linux drivers, now...
<Tonymac32> well, that is a good sign
<Tonymac32> But, is late my time. Have a good one, I need to get some sleep
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<count-doku> Guten Morgen
<IgorPec> morgen
<archetech> gm I see no defconfig in latest main line kernel source tball
<archetech> for rock64
<count-doku> Anyone here using https://theobald-software.com/erpconnect/ for interfacing C# with SAP?
<Werner__> Wusste gar nicht, dass du Deutsch sprichst, IgorPec ;) Any I'll stick to English as well. Mostly due to force of habit :P
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<TRS-80> Good morning, all! :)
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<lanefu> rra: needs a better network connection
<rra> better than my current flaky filtered university eduroam you mean?
<lanefu> haha yeah
<TRS-80> yikes
* TRS-80 been yak shaving for 3.5 hours
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<IgorPec> Werner__
<Werner__> Igor?
<IgorPec> i would say you change for you and me and tell others if they also like this, they have to contact you?
<Werner__> I wrote in the DM that they have to state if they want one or not.
<Werner__> So I guess it is fine for now.
<IgorPec> yes, let's wait and when there will be more than 1 person ... you have to write email or is there any tool?
<Werner__> Just asking directly here any Freenode staff member which I did right now :)
<IgorPec> ok
<Werner__> I know from other IRC services they had tools like "hostserv" or similar. But I guess to have better control about what cloaks are applied they do this by hand.
<IgorPec> it depends how much work this represent. if you have to edit one file only here and there its better to use VI then code and maintain some tooling :)
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<TRS-80> How to get rid of unwanted spoiler tags in a post?
<Werner__> In your own signature or in the signature of other users?
* archetech is building the last kern release fr ayufan for rock64
<TRS-80> In my own post I was editing. I didn't see a way. I ended up just deleting the whole post.
<Werner__> I am currently working on a bot that announces commits to Github via IRC
<TRS-80> Werner__: Nice. You will beat me to it then. Wife getting on me to continue cleaning up the place before her mother comes to visit in another week or two. :)
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<Werner__> If you want to take care of that feel free to do so :). I am just playing around and seems to work decent so far. Using #armbian-commits for that
<TRS-80> alfredovogel: Settle on a name, will ya!? :D
<TRS-80> Werner__: Oh no, knock yourself out... :)
<TRS-80> I have too much other stuff to do anyway
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<Werner__> TRS-80, lanefu cloaks have been assigned
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<TRS-80> Werner__: Thanks, cheers
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<lanefu> wohoo thanks im cloaky
<Werner__> Well....not right now. You need to identify yourself to nickserv :P
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<lanefu> doh
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<lanefu> i would have just moved it to the tvboxes forum
<count-doku> I thin TRS got a bit overwhelmed. One Alixpress link should not be a real problem :)
<lanefu> yeah
<lanefu> liek granted the guy was being a pain in teh ass after
<lanefu> anyway i'm gonna smooth things over
<count-doku> yeah but getting your first post deleted because of one link is also a bit shitty ;9
<count-doku> ;)
<count-doku> Although the last sentence sounded like advertisement
<lanefu> nothing brings out a jerk like a misunderstanding tho
<lanefu> jeez
<lanefu> guy went off the rails
<count-doku> some peeps like it ruff :ü
<count-doku> well my keyboard is misaligned. :ü -> :p
<lanefu> lol
<Werner__> Überragend :P
<count-doku> Ja Werner.
<count-doku> Bist du aus D oder Ö?
<Werner__> Beinahe Ö ;)
<count-doku> Schnee da unten?
<Werner__> Nichts was ich als solchen bezeichnen würde...
<count-doku> hm schade. Hier in Norddeutschland natürlich auch nicht.
<count-doku> well back to english - lets not exclude the others.
<Werner__> Agreed
<lanefu> in a positive note you guys are really good at english
<count-doku> yeah it is a German thing I guess. We have English in school starting at age 8...
<lanefu> wow.. yeah that would do it
* HerculeP started /w ancient Latin ;)
<TRS-80> lanefu count-doku For all we know, that is his listing and this is some sort of guerrilla marketing. Once he started screaming I put it back. Left everything public so others can judge. I remove first posts like that all the time and usually never a peep, because they were spam.
<count-doku> You do what you do. I am not gonna critize a mod
* count-doku ducks.
<TRS-80> I am not above criticism, nor infallible. Hence leaving everything public, and stating my position here also, which is all publicly logged.
<count-doku> yeah it's fine. I was just joking. I understand why you first removed the post.
<lanefu> my advice is to assume positive intent
<count-doku> always see the best in people. (Like the chinese fortune cookie says)
<TRS-80> lanefu: I generally agree. However something about the nature of the TV box market gave me a different gut feeling about this one. Armbian forums by now I'm sure generate a lot of link juice.
<TRS-80> But maybe I should have just moved it and removed the link.
<TRS-80> I bet you money though, we revisit this in some months, and the guy hasn't posted anything more of value
<count-doku> yeah and maybe ask him to add a link to the producer page so people can look at the product stats.
<lanefu> ..it was just an aliexpress link?
<count-doku> Might actually be an interesting board (i don't think so).
<count-doku> lanefu: yes.
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<lanefu> yeah i mean thats kind of a normal thing..... i would ahve just moved to tboxes at let it through
<lanefu> the tvboxes have a place within teh forum and thats okay... they don't get the same support
<lanefu> but it a community that we can at least give a home to
<lanefu> so all that being said.... i agree that the guy is probably an ass and will likely be difficult in the future
<lanefu> but thats just dealing iwth people
<TRS-80> OK, look at his latest post now in the queue
<TRS-80> now I myself have posted sales when I have seen them, bumped a topic where sale was still active, etc... but not on my first post
<TRS-80> I dunno, I approved it
<lanefu> ...and I can see how that oneliner seemed like marketing...... honestly its too well composed to be an aliexpress seller from what i've seen
<Werner__> Moderating forums can be a pain in the butt. I did this job for more than ten years about ten years ago (lol) in forums in ... well let's just say I am not very proud of. Anyway, does not make a big difference. Fact is you almost have to be autistic to do the same crap each and every day and second you deaden. You do not even think when reading some complains or similar, you just ban them away since most of them just looking for trouble and you do not
<Werner__> are about casaulties anymore...I do not want to do this job anymore
<Werner__> My honest respect to every person who can still do this with passion.
<TRS-80> I reverted the spam warning
<IgorPec> Werner__: "who can do this with passion" which is why we do try to come up with a written rules. I know they will not solve everythinb, but they do help. If we would write into the rules, that "Community forums TVBoxes and .." are very lightly moderated, this trouble would not occour. Well, I hope TRS-80 did not take this to deeply. Its not worth to waste energy ...
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<TRS-80> Guy ended up apologizing to me for getting off to a rough start in a PM, and I did also in return, saying I may have over-reacted.
<lanefu> great.. glad its smoothed over now
<lanefu> i hide the whole nasty thread... i checked in with him first to make sure he woudlnt take offense to it
<lanefu> *hid
<TRS-80> That's fine. I just wanted it all public until it was sorted out, all above board.
<IgorPec> that's nice!
<TRS-80> I added the comments about light moderation on certain forums to the Mod Tips thread
<TRS-80> Still looking for answer whether base Development subforum is hard forum permission or just more highly moderated (so I know if posts can/should be moved there, depending on content of course)? I don't want to create situation where someone can not reply to their own thread. And I could not see this information anywhere, from my point of view / permission level.
<lanefu> so I think I may hve added a min poster recruiment on one of the subforums originally.. to keep people from jumping in so quickly about "my orange pi can't install vim" on the allwinner thread
<lanefu> but it caused problems
<lanefu> i think i cleaned that up
<lanefu> last weekend
<lanefu> let me answer differently.. should be visible to all.. there were some mild posting constraints that i think i removed
<TRS-80> thanks lanefu
<TRS-80> also, dd doesn't validate burning results?
<IgorPec> nope
<TRS-80> news to me, that's what I always used in past :D
<TRS-80> just wanted to make sure before replying to this guys post :D
<IgorPec> but if you use build tools and write to SD card after build, it will check and compare
<IgorPec> i plan to add functionality to burn SD card directly from build tools, without the need to build images but to download and burn
<IgorPec> 20.05 i gues
<TRS-80> by build tools are you referring to nand-sata-install? or?
<TRS-80> OK
<IgorPec> you can build and burn to SD in one go
<IgorPec> i want to add an option to skip building
<TRS-80> IgorPec: Since you pointed it out to me, I am now on the lookout for those little triangles. I just now found and approved on that was waiting in moderation since 2019-12-24 (!) I think I will add a short note about this to our growin Tips thread
<TRS-80> s/on/one
<IgorPec> we can easily miss them, perhaps this function is also not working bug less
<IgorPec> but its still better than have full open system. in that case we will need to deal more with spam
<archetech> cant find a doc to install my new 3328 kernel
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<archetech> its sitting in/arch/arm64/boot :)
<archetech> not really an armbian issue
<lanefu> IgorPec: this is a 2 part question... 1. what's the URL for the RC Images. 2. when we're in teh testing phase, do we want to invite the public to download thsoe images and help is test adn update the spreadsheet?
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<TRS-80> Here is another TV box first post that I thought was spam, should I unhide?: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/10742-recommend-me-a-tv-box/?do=findComment&comment=93168
<TRS-80> have to take boy to Ninjitsu, bbl
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<IgorPec> rc images are default download
<IgorPec> this has to be changed in the future, not the best way
<IgorPec> TRS-80: i would say its ok. Under TV boxes ... we don't do much anyway.
<IgorPec> lanefu: yes, we want public help.
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