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<maaku>
Sentineo: people seem to have gotten distracted. to your question, there are some protocols that could possibly break if a small cycle or fixed point were found
<maaku>
alternatively it would make the hash function potentially useful as a compact assymetric cryptography primitive
<maaku>
but the real value is in just understanding if there can be cycles. one of the assumptions of a cryptographic hash function is that its output is indistinguishable from randomness.. having small cycles kinda breaks that
<maaku>
it would be a strong indication of weakness in the function itself
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<adlai>
andytoshi: i think the version i first heard involved a board of toggles ("lightswitch" implies they can, eg, feel whether the [incandescent] light is still hot - but i guess that's a good herring?)
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<contrapumpkin>
I think I saw that linked from blockstream's site too
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<JackH>
does anyone remember where the discussion happened about opening up for all script types for Bitcoin script? I think it was the dev mailing list but I cant seem to find it
<JackH>
and I think maaku was involved in something about it
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<JackH>
and I am not thinking about the language simplicity
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<sipa>
JackH: inside P2SH all script opcodes are standard
<sipa>
since years
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<JackH>
ah yes that discussion
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<danrobinson>
Ivy for Bitcoin: a smart contract language that compiles to Bitcoin Script
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<contrapumpkin>
I can't figure out how to express that sha256 fixed point script I was talking about the other day
<contrapumpkin>
if I write `verify sha256(hash) == hash` that's a type error
<contrapumpkin>
and I can't find any sort of coercion support
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<sipa>
OP_DUP OP_SHA256 OP_EQUALVERIFY
<contrapumpkin>
oh I know how to do it in script
<contrapumpkin>
was just wondering if I could express it in ivy
<contrapumpkin>
also, ivy gives me nightmare of shitty java dependencies
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<sipa>
oh.
<contrapumpkin>
I think the ivy type system prevents me from comparing a hash to a non-hash
<contrapumpkin>
unless they have some sort of hidden coercion operator
<danrobinson>
contrapumpkin: yeah, good question. Ivy's type system forbids comparison of hashes and non-hashes (or hashes that use different functions) for safety. i hadn't thought of fixed-point scripts as a possible intentional application. i'll add a coercion operator. `bytes(...)`?
<contrapumpkin>
that sounds great, thanks!
<contrapumpkin>
I filed an issue on the topic :)
<danrobinson>
what do you mean about java dependencies?
<contrapumpkin>
but yeah, in general you probably don't want to be comparing hashes to things that aren't hashes