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00:43 <danrobinson> contrapumpkin: Should work now on the playground (you'll want to refresh and hit Reset in the upper right corner to load the new example). http://docs.ivy-lang.org/bitcoin/language/ExampleContracts.html#revealfixedpoint

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00:53 <maaku> wouldn't you need to compare data to a hash just to do the P2PKH script?

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04:29 <danrobinson> maaku: are you referring to this Ivy contract: https://docs.ivy-lang.org/bitcoin/language/ExampleContracts.html#lockwithpublickeyhash ? It is initialized with a value that is declared to be a Sha256(PublicKey), and thus can be compared to another one

04:29 <danrobinson> if you're referring to the fact that https://docs.ivy-lang.org/bitcoin/language/ExampleContracts.html#lockwithpublickey compiles to a P2WPKH address (and the rest of the contracts compile to P2WSH addresses), all that is done under the hood; it doesn't touch the user-facing type system

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11:32 <Sentineo> maaku: ah ok thanks (regarding the hash singularities). Are those hashes checked, e.g. when there is a p2sh is core checking is the hash hashes to itself again? Perhaps as a sanity check to rule out the possibility? Well for a p2pkh one would need a signiture, so it is fine (imho) from singularities. What about p2sh? A simple data push is considered a valid script, is it not? So finding a

11:32 <Sentineo> ripmed160 singularity could allow me to spend those funds, right?

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12:01 <abomb> Sentineo, the neat part about that would be if the wallet had a previous transaction and after its accepted you can show you broke ripemod160 because of the two different public keys on the blockchain

12:03 <abomb> and there is 256 bits worth of private keys, and 160 bits of ripemod.... around 79228162514264337593543950336 times smaller of a search space.....

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18:33 <Chris_Stewart_5> Is anyone familiar with the difference between 'SKIP' and 'VERIFY' in BIP98? https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0098.mediawiki

18:34 <Chris_Stewart_5> It seems to me that a hash is just provided in both cases?

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18:35 <Chris_Stewart_5> and that hash is used to calculate the hash of the parent node?

18:35 <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: VERIFY means it's a node you want to prove inclusion over

18:35 <sipa> SKIP means you just need to provide the hash to make the root validate

18:35 <Chris_Stewart_5> ahhhhhh

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18:40 <instagibbs> "SKIP means the branch contains a hash of an elided subtree or element, and the fast-SHA256 root hash of this subtree or double-SHA256 hash of the element is included in the proof structure; and VERIFY means the branch contains an externally provided hash that is needed as witness for the verification of the proof"

18:40 <instagibbs> from the text

18:41 <Chris_Stewart_5> i think the VERIFY wording is confusing

18:42 <instagibbs> i just skimmed for the definition, haven't spent any time digesting

18:45 <Chris_Stewart_5> "means the branch contains and externally provided hash" -> "means the node should match a hash we are trying to prove is included in the MT"

18:45 <Chris_Stewart_5> IMO

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19:09 <maaku> correct. SKIP hashes are serialized inside the proof. VERIFY hashes are taken individually from the stack in MERKLEBRANCHVERIFY

19:10 <maaku> you need both the proof object (containing the tree structure and all of the SKIP hashes) and a list of the VERIFY hashes to reconstruct the root

19:11 <Chris_Stewart_5> maaku: Ok I get the idea, I just found the VERIFY definition confusing. Might want to change if other people have trouble with it as well

19:12 <Chris_Stewart_5> especially the usage of 'branch' as, to me, that implies there is a child tree provided

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21:27 <maaku> are hybrid keys illegal in bitcoin?

21:27 <abomb> hybrid keys?

21:28 <maaku> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2012-June/001578.html

21:29 <sipa> maaku: nonstandard

21:29 <sipa> but consensus valid

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