<whyrus>
thats just a branch! its not shipped *yet*
<whyrus>
take a look at the changelog and make sure i didnt miss anything
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<achin>
not related to this, but i was trying to get the ipfs_commit/CurrentCommit stuff to work today, and i was failing
<lgierth>
achin: compiled using the makefile?
<achin>
yeah. tried "make build", and also tried manually with "go build -ldflags"
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<lgierth>
and it turns out empty?
<achin>
yeah. empty string when i do "ipfs diag sys"
<lgierth>
hrm
<lgierth>
and :8080/version ?
<lgierth>
or :8080/api/v0/version
<achin>
arrgggg
<achin>
i was just running directly out of my gopath
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<achin>
but ipfs was actually getting the version of my daemon, not the thing i just built
<lgierth>
:)
<achin>
totally wasn't obvious to me!
<achin>
so it seems to be working fine
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<jbenet>
whyrus: yay on fixing the multipart crap-- sorry it was bugs in go. love how we find multiple bugs in go :)
<jbenet>
whyrus: how best to force people to compile with go 1.5.2? (if we told people to use make, could easily check.... -- if no compiler level way exists, can compile a panic into an `init {}` block. has to be run to see it, but hey, better than stuff not working)
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<zignig>
lgierth jbenet : sorry afk , i've forked infrastruture to add in astralboot.
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<lgierth>
zignig: cool! ping me tomorrow or anytime if you want some feedback -- i'm about to go to bed
<zignig>
lgierth: ok , it's 10:16am here in oz, so i've got some typing to do ;))
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<whyrus>
jbenet: we can just put an os.Exit(1) in an init block if they don't build with the right version of go
<jbenet>
whyrus: yeah sgtm with a nice error
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created deps/go-peerstream (+1 new commit): http://git.io/vR1gl
<harlantwood>
(just realized that it's your repo... ahem)
<tinybike>
hehe yep
<tinybike>
the install/upgrade script automatically sets up the upstart script for you btw......it's possible it's a little too fine-tuned to my particular VPS setup
<tinybike>
anyway feel free to use / modify / etc, all open-source :)
<MrJiks>
tinybike: I am not too well versed with ipfs; may I ask a few dumb questions.
<tinybike>
sure! the others in the channel know more than me I expect, but fire away
<MrJiks>
tinybike: Technically which all port needs to accessible to have ipfs node working?
<whyrus>
davidar: i dont know if cjdns can iptunnel multiple hosts through the same gateway
<MrJiks>
5001 & 8080?
<davidar>
whyrus (IRC): that seems like a pretty major flaw :/
<tinybike>
well if you're using that ipfs-behind-nginx setup I mentioned, I think you only need 443 (https) open
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<tinybike>
(you can do this with port 80, too, if you don't want to fool with SSL certs)
<tinybike>
if you want to be able to access IPFS directly (for example from a browser using js-ipfs-api) then I believe you need to open port 5001 (the RPC port)
<MrJiks>
tinybike: frankly, I don't really understand the difference; whats the significance between 80 & 443?
<whyrus>
davidar: yeah... i wasnt able to confirm
<MrJiks>
Sorry, terrible noob.
<tinybike>
80 is for regular (unencrypted) http
<davidar>
whyrus (IRC): wait, I'm pretty sure you can, since that's what enigmabox does iirc
<whyrus>
but i could only ever do one thing at a time
<tinybike>
443 is for encrypted (SSL) https
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<MrJiks>
tinybike: but won't that need me to have a paid SSL certificate?
<tinybike>
yes
<tinybike>
(or you can use self-signed, with the usual caveats)
<tinybike>
if you don't want to mess with that, you can put ipfs behind nginx on port 80 instead
<MrJiks>
tinybike: self-signed? Sorry, no clue there either.
<MrJiks>
tinybike: whats the issue with putting it at 80?
<tinybike>
on port 80 traffic to and from IPFS will be unencrypted
<MrJiks>
tinybike: I won't be able to use the server for regular webistes then?
<tinybike>
which may or may not matter to you
<MrJiks>
tinybike, as of now. It doesn't matter.
<tinybike>
regular websites can use port 80 or 443
<tinybike>
basically, if the url starts with http:// then it is being served over port 80 and if it starts with https:// then it is served over port 443
<MrJiks>
tinybike: Okay, that itself is news to me. Sad.
<tinybike>
it's a small annoyance, but you can get a proper SSL cert for $10/year or less
<tinybike>
if encryption is important for w/e you're making
<MrJiks>
tinybike: Is it possible to use another non standard port for it?
<tinybike>
sure, you can use whatever port you like
<tinybike>
just make sure the port is open in your firewall!
<tinybike>
is there a reason you don't want to use the normal ports?
<MrJiks>
tinybike: beyond money; the fact is I just don't understand it well enough. And none of what I am doing is critical enough.
<tinybike>
you might use regular http (unencrypted, port 80) to get it set up, and then once it's working, install an SSL cert
<tinybike>
that's usually what I do, if I'm just tinkering w/ something and don't feel like fooling with SSL just yet
<MrJiks>
tinybike: I was just thinking of having inn say 2112, just for the sake of it. I don't see any issue with it myself. Was wondering if there was?
<tinybike>
if you want to do that, replace the "listen 443 ssl" line in the nginx conf with "listen 80", and remove all the lines that start with ssl_
<tinybike>
oh and also remove the little map $http_upgrade block at the top, too
<MrJiks>
This is what I have in mind. Adding a bunch of content I want to host in ipfs and use the gateway url to access it. Then I don't have to think about the port.
<tinybike>
oh ok! well if you just want to use the gateway url (the ipfs.io url, I assume?), you don't need to do anything at all
<tinybike>
just make sure the ipfs peer port (is it called the peer port? w/e it's called -- the port it uses for p2p connections) is open in your firewall so ipfs can talk on the p2p network
<tinybike>
i believe this is port 4001 by default
<tinybike>
and if you run that ipfs.sh setup script (and you're using iptables) it'll poke holes in your firewall for both udp and tcp traffic thru port 4001 :)
<MrJiks>
tinybike: I just unzipped the package & moved the binary to my path. I should have run the install script I believe, to make it work?
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<MrJiks>
tinybike: But I see many IPs through the command `ipfs swarm peers`
<M-mubot>
Good morning to you too, @freenode_dignifiedquire:matrix.org
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<computerfreak>
mooorning
<computerfreak>
howto access pinbot?
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<computerfreak>
how do ppl code gui 's today? everybody qml?
<MrJiks>
How to make my remote server pin some files I want?
<computerfreak>
ipfs pin <file> ?
<MrJiks>
computerfreak: I meant, I don't want to log into the server all the time; is there a way to have it done in my local machine. So that the remote machine will pin them?
<computerfreak>
firstly you can ssh into the server from your local machine
<computerfreak>
maybe write an auto-pin-script this way?
<MrJiks>
computerfreak: I am doing it like that now; but I was thinking if there is a way to do it if I have access to the keys that created when I init ipfs there.
<computerfreak>
ah u mean using the private key twice?
<computerfreak>
thats not working unfortunately :/
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<computerfreak>
u can run only 1 daemon with the same key
<MrJiks>
Something like IPFS_KEY=<the_long_key_of_remote_machine> ipfs pin <file_key>
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<computerfreak>
ahh ok
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<MrJiks>
I know but wouldn't it be cool if we could transmit commands like this so that the node with that key will execute it?
<computerfreak>
i dont see how u could get remote access to execute pin <file_key>
<computerfreak>
that would be nice ofc !
<MrJiks>
Its fine, leave it. Another question.
<computerfreak>
but you need to setup some kind of ''listener'' on your server i fear
<MrJiks>
So that the file will be downloaded and cached?
<computerfreak>
you want to hash it before u pin it
<MrJiks>
Yes, I know; but wouldn't be cool if the command did it in a single go? [Download (if remote), add, hash and pin]
<computerfreak>
the script need to contain: wget ipfs http://somesite.com/image.png ; ipfs add ; ipfs pin (on remote machine)
<computerfreak>
ipfs is just a protocoll in the end which u can script
<computerfreak>
i build a GUI right now to browse ipfs hashes, add files ...
<computerfreak>
for me its like the verry beginning of something big
<MrJiks>
Thinking of a script to archive a full site and pin it. Perhaps InternetArchive or WayBackMachine can use a similar system.
<MrJiks>
computerfreak: Yes! It certainly is! I am still in shock that its working so well.
<computerfreak>
well download the site, add it, pin it :)
<computerfreak>
but there is no single comand build in for that
<MrJiks>
FileCoin/Ethereum based incentivization if built in; this will rock the planet.
<computerfreak>
im currently implementing SIA to my ipfs-Browser ...
<computerfreak>
its for storage contracts
<MrJiks>
computerfreak: I know, there isn't. But I am thinking of a way to do it so that, in a single command a person can chose to support a site by hosting it.
<computerfreak>
also namecoin would be great to get a naming system other than ipfs.io/ipns
<MrJiks>
Heard about dnschain?
<MrJiks>
And gittorrent?
<computerfreak>
well for websites: u can actually download /add and pin it , you can also publish it with a different link but it will not cash the original website if its not hosted on ipfs too ..
<computerfreak>
no never :D
<MrJiks>
Any opinion on using ipfs in my CDN?
<computerfreak>
idk but you can use your CDN to load scripts inside an ipfs/ipns hosted website :)
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<davidar>
computerfreak (IRC): native support for namecoin would also be cool
<davidar>
Also an option to proxy requests through webrecorder.io and upload them to IPFS ;)
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<davidar>
Also looking up dnslink records to automatically redirect from http to IPFS where possible
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<computerfreak>
btw, is there a way to install go on android? or do we dont have ipfs on smartphones and need a proxy for that ? because my ipfs-browser would be nice on Smartphones too ..
<computerfreak>
webrecorder is a nice tool !
<davidar>
computerfreak (IRC): yeah, that would be cool
<davidar>
Given that they're both made by Google, I would hope so :/
<computerfreak>
i had trouble to instal lgo on my ubuntu so how will it be on android? :=
<davidar>
computerfreak (IRC): if you're able to compile go-ipfs as a static library, Qt's build system should be able to take care of it, I think
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<computerfreak>
well i dont know much about go so i think i cant tell u if ipfs would work with this ..
<computerfreak>
seems like there are not all libraries useable
<computerfreak>
i never managed to compile ipfs on my ubuntu so ... would be hard xD
<computerfreak>
'' The second way is to write an app entirely in Go. The APIs are limited to those that are portable between both Android and iOS, in particular OpenGL, audio, and other Android NDK-like APIs. An all-Go app should use this app package to initialze the app, manage its lifecycle, and receive events. ''
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<davidar>
I'm pretty sure ipfs for Android will happen eventually, but mobile has differences (network restrictions, battery usage considerations, etc) that would necessitate more than a straight port
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<NeoTeo>
Hello all.
<M-mubot>
Hey @freenode_NeoTeo:matrix.org, Hello!
<achin>
M-mubot: you are silly
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<computerfreak>
someone may wanna link my repo to the main ipfs on github?
<ogzy>
when i publish a content via ipfs, this information is kept at DHT?
<daviddias>
computerfreak: wanna submit a PR? :)
<computerfreak>
daviddias: just wanna get found :P
<achin>
ogzy: yes
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<ogzy>
achin, when a new node like nodeD is added to the ipfs structure, how does this DHT information reach to that node? indeed how does DHT works is the question i think
<computerfreak>
u get dht and stuff from bootsrap nodes i think
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<ogzy>
computerfreak, what if there is no bootstrap node?
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: did you give your talk yet?
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: how is the aws instance working out?
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: still need to wait 10:30h
<daviddias>
the AWS thing is really fast and it is a pity that we didn't get it from the start
<daviddias>
will be able to finish within the week
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<dignifiedquire>
great, yeah aws instances can give you really nice speed these days if you have specific requirements :)
<dignifiedquire>
they’ve improved a lot in the last years in that area
<daviddias>
in the long run, I think when someone needs this kind of service, better is to get your own hardware
<daviddias>
but yes, with time constraints and/or spikes, this is the best
<achin>
you for sure pay for the extra convience of flexability
<ogzy>
it was said that ipns publish information is a kind of link thats why the node should be up and running, i am a bit confused, what information is kept at DHT and which part is link?
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<ogzy>
achin, ^^
<AtnNn>
ogzy: the ipfs path that you publish is stored in the DHT. It expires after a while, so your node needs to be up and running because it keeps refreshing it
<ogzy>
AtnNn, ok, since there is no pinning for ipns thats why it should be up and running
<AtnNn>
ogzy: you should also pin the data, or make sure at least one another node has
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<ogzy>
AtnNn, ok thank you
<ogzy>
AtnNn, is there a possibility to publish more than one content from the same peer?
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<AtnNn>
ogzy: you can publish a folder. I believe ipfs will someday support publishing to multiple addresses, but it currently does not.
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<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: hmmmm
<richardlitt>
hmm?
<richardlitt>
This is a pretty sweet talk. Thanks Stskeeps!
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: will do ;)
<richardlitt>
thanks!
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<richardlitt>
I'm a bit confused by Mezieres links / IPNS. If you're taking a hash of content, and then signing it with a private key (which I take to mean making a hash of the content's hash and your private key, catted together), and that gives you another key which you then use as a pointer -- how does that provide mutability? Wouldn't the pointer still change every
<richardlitt>
time the content changes?
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<richardlitt>
I'll open this in the FAQ
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<The_8472>
Ha = hash(pubkey) pointing to another Hb + signature, now you can publish it to some lookup mechanism and anyone can verify it
<The_8472>
and Hb can be changed as long as it is signed
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<richardlitt>
but doesn't ha point by being a hash of hb+sign? Isn't that what content addressed menas?
<richardlitt>
*means
<The_8472>
no, Ha is hash of the public key. it is not derived from Hb. Ha is not part of the merkle-DAG, Hb is.
<The_8472>
iow Hb is a content address, Ha is a pointer to a content address
<richardlitt>
So IPNS is something like a key-value store, pointing ha to hb
<The_8472>
yeah
<richardlitt>
Cool.
<richardlitt>
Thanks! That makes more sense now.
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<tinfoil_>
just found this project, its looks amazing. very impressed with what i see. so heres the question:
<tinfoil_>
is this simmilar as freenet ? as in : is it anonymous distributed storage ?
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<tinfoil_>
aah found a question about htaht on the faq.
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<tinfoil_>
hmmz so the DMCA denylist has all the interesting stuff listed. is it a public list ?
<tinfoil_>
hmkay, so its very interesting, thanks for the great reads. keep it up. perhaps a combination of nodes thath host tor relay host and serve access on the ipfs as a tor hidden service would be a nice combo
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<whyrus>
achin: i like your idea on the sprint/pm issue
<achin>
thanks
<richardlitt>
whyrus: any idea why !tell isn't working?
<lgierth>
richardlitt: it's .tell
<richardlitt>
well that would explain it.
<lgierth>
and yes, all those bots with their own syntaxes
<lgierth>
should just be "somebot: tell <user> <msg>"
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs-api] alexmingoia opened pull request #162: Exclude port from path if `config.port` not set. (master...fix-port-default) http://git.io/vRSdC
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<achin>
rust uses a dedicated repo for this roundups ( https://github.com/cmr/this-week-in-rust ) which i think is nice because it allows anyone to contribute via pullrequests
<achin>
if we stick with this, i think we should look at this model too
<richardlitt>
I agree. I love these things. Might end up being a good weekly newsletter, too.
<richardlitt>
I get daily GitHub starred and watched repos, having that for IPFS would be cool.
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<pjz>
when does self-updating ipfs come out?
<pjz>
also: what's the self-updating mechanism going to require perms-wise?
<whyrus>
dignifiedquire: give me a sec to think about it
<dignifiedquire>
whyrus: sure, no rush
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: He may not actually be wrong.
<whyrus>
richardlitt: youre wonderful
<richardlitt>
whyrus: :)
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: ?
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<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: I assume you guys were talking about the distro page?
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: yes we are
<whyrus>
dignifiedquire: got time for a short call?
<ipfsbot>
[webui] Dignifiedquire closed pull request #119: Update react-router to version 1.0.2
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<dignifiedquire>
whyrus: nope sorry, my wife will kill me other wise ;)
<whyrus>
lol, okay
<whyrus>
so, just some quick thoughts
<dignifiedquire>
(playing ffxiv on the other screen with her)
<whyrus>
lol, awesome
<richardlitt>
what I mean is that juan's idea to throw everything in may not be the wrong one.
<whyrus>
i'll post thoughts on that issue on distributions
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<pokeball99>
wget for ipfs? AWWWWW HELLLL YISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: I see, why do you think that?
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<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: I’m not generally against the idea of everthing on one page if it makes for a better ux, I’m just failing to see how that would work given that the plan is to add quite a lot over time to this page
<dignifiedquire>
(also for search we can always have a search bar if that’s needed)
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: Because it should be a source of truth for distributions, which are by their nature unweildy
<richardlitt>
Adding a lot of stuff is ok
<richardlitt>
As for search: the browser search is actually good enough
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<dignifiedquire>
hmm, for me a page that has me resort to using the browser search failed in providing a good interface :/
<dignifiedquire>
and why do you think that distributions would be unweildy by nature? I have worked with much more complex data sets and was able to not put everything on a single page, while keeping good orientation for the user
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: where is the initial issue, again?
<pokeball99>
hey,off topic question,just found https://www.google.com/jsapi via the google robots.txt, what exactly is it (doesn't look like an api to me)
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: the one where we talk about this
<whyrus>
i've been using mosh almost since it came out, and him posting that is the first time i've seen that page
<whyrus>
(i also didnt know that i've been using mosh almost since it came out until just a few minutes ago when i saw its initial release date was march 2012
<whyrus>
)
<achin>
fwiw, i often see people come into #mosh asking for information that is right there on the homepage, but for some reason they don't find it (or don't look for it)
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<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: kind of lost as to what to look for for that cat command. It doesn't seem like the stereotypical apiary command
<achin>
they are mostly of the "how do i build from source" and "what dependencies do i need" type (which are spelled out pretty clearly on mosh.mit.edu
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: yeah I understand, let’s drop the example and just put that in for now
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<dignifiedquire>
achin: thanks for that info, soo looks like the isn’t that easy to understand after all
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<achin>
i think you a word
<whyrus>
dignifiedquire: you get a chance to see my response?
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<dignifiedquire>
whyrus: yes read it
<dignifiedquire>
will think about it some more
<richardlitt>
dignifiedquire: sorry I can't respond now. Are you planning to move on this today?
* whyrus
really wants to have a dist.ipfs.io page live for ipfs-update
<dignifiedquire>
richardlitt: no nothing will happen today, just want to collect as much input as I can
<richardlitt>
Cool. Have it as the first thing to do tomorrow
<richardlitt>
cat is ready to merge
<achin>
mrow
<richardlitt>
I think maybe just show a body of ``` test ```. That is actually valid.
<richardlitt>
but really, it may not need a body at all.
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<dignifiedquire>
whyrus: trying to get to an accepted mockup this week, promised
<whyrus>
<3
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<dignifiedquire>
whyrus: I’m not entirely sure where you imagine those two pages that you are talking about to be
<whyrus>
just one on top of the other
<whyrus>
its all one long page
<dignifiedquire>
ah okay, so you mean two sections for each tool?
<whyrus>
yeah
<whyrus>
thats the word
<whyrus>
section
<dignifiedquire>
okay will try something in that direction
<achin>
whyrus still isn't awake enough for long words
<dignifiedquire>
whyrus: if we put everything on one long page, why not have a navigation similar to the side nav here: http://getbootstrap.com/components/
<whyrus>
lol
<whyrus>
dignifiedquire: mmm, i like that
<whyrus>
although i would want icons instead of text
<whyrus>
and i don't know how i feel about it being on the right side
<dignifiedquire>
we can make it nicer of course
<dignifiedquire>
and I would put it on the left
<dignifiedquire>
(right is horrible..)
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<dignifiedquire>
but that would avoid us having to try to generate a bookmarks section at the top which is growing and growing, if it’s a scroll page anyway