<multivac>
[WIKIPEDIA] Spherical cow | "A spherical cow is a humorous metaphor for highly simplified scientific models of complex real life phenomena. The implication is that theoretical physicists will often reduce a problem to the simplest form they can imagine in order to make calculations more feasible, even though such simplification..."
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<leer10>
at least I can dream haha
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<chriscool>
Hi everyone!
<ansuz>
hi chriscool
<ansuz>
!
<tperson>
Hello
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<chriscool>
Hi ansuz!
<chriscool>
and tperson
<chriscool>
Are some of you guys at 32c3 Adventure!
<chriscool>
?
<tperson>
I am not, stuck in Seattle staying up way too late.
<ansuz>
stuck in paris, life is so hard
<ansuz>
planning to be there next year
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<whyrusleeping>
chriscool: hey! we're all at 32c3
<whyrusleeping>
me daviddias dignifiedquire
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<daviddias>
on the IPFS table
<daviddias>
how to check the exact time of a lighting talk? whyrusleeping has one today :)
<multivac>
[REDDIT] Virtual Congress Art Installation (self.32C3) | 3 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by alusionn | Created at 2015-12-30 - 12:02:25
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<daviddias>
cryptix: where are the lt happening?
<daviddias>
Hall G :)
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: daviddias where did you go Oo
<whyrusleeping>
Upstairs
<whyrusleeping>
Talk room
<whyrusleeping>
how do these things work?
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<chriscool>
ansuz: I am also usually in Paris
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<chriscool>
whyrusleeping, daviddias dignifiedquire cool that you are together at 32c3!
<chriscool>
I would have loved to come but I had to stay with my family for the holidays
<chriscool>
there is something wrong with the way I manually vendored ipfs-update
<chriscool>
great thanks!
<Kubuxu>
Insider joke of cjdns is that if someone writes it as CJDNS he is federal agent. I don't know who created slides but ... :PP
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<lgierth>
i thought we had stop joking about feds
<Kubuxu>
Military and governmental personnel are so used to capitalized acronyms that they can't resist temptation. /s
<lgierth>
feds in open source projects are a thing so these jokes aren't thaaat helpful
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<Codebird>
Hardly surprising. The government uses open-source software too, and the intelligence services are sure to take an interest in anything that threatens to shift a balance of power in some way.
<Codebird>
And cjdns could potentially be used to avoid monitoring, so really I'd be surprised if the NSA didn't at least have someone assigned to read the mailing list.
<dignifiedquire>
lgierth: we are at our usual table, not squatconf
<Kubuxu>
This joke is mostly repeated on HypeIRC which sometimes holds also weird discussions.
<Codebird>
It's an old joke. "Spot the Fed" is a traditional game played at Defcon.
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<Codebird>
As it's quite well-established that just about every agency sends undercover people there. The game is to guess who they are.
<Codebird>
Governments often work at cross-purposes with themselves. Especially the US government, as a consequence of a structure that intentionally divides power.
<ansuz>
ctrl+f cjdns
<ansuz>
right
<ansuz>
so, in our case, it's the center for infrastructure protection
<ansuz>
and homeland security
<ansuz>
I'll see if I can find the one from the EU gov
<Codebird>
ipfs needs a killer app of some sort. Someone who has a sizable amount of archivable, legal data they want to make available. Gutenberg, maybe?
<Codebird>
But they already solved most of their issues with torrentable collections.
<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): *cough* ipfs/archives
<Codebird>
I'd archive my music collection, except it's legally dubious. It's public domain for me.
<Codebird>
But not all public domain in other countries
<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): which country?
<Kubuxu>
best part is at page 16
<Codebird>
UK.
<M-davidar>
Kubuxu (IRC): what does it say?
<Kubuxu>
example: The lack of ISPs in a meshnet would
<Kubuxu>
also throw a potential monkey
<Kubuxu>
wrench into homeland security
<Kubuxu>
efforts.
<Kubuxu>
sorry \n
<Codebird>
I work in a school. I got annoyed with the number of times I had to tell of teachers for using unauthorised music in class work. So I compiled a collection of music published before 1963 - all public domain under UK law.
<Kubuxu>
or: without access to the content of the packet, obtaining a warrant remains a difficult proposition.
<Codebird>
Our music copyright term is seventy years. But it was only recently extended from 50, and the extension didn't re-copyright music that had already entered the public domain. So the cutoff is 1963, and not advancing for a while.
<Kubuxu>
here you have to have warrant to monitor connection, like woot US
<Codebird>
The collection is hosted on a VM I rent - hosted in the UK, by a company in the UK, published by an individual in the UK. I've been very careful, even made sure it's all original published version and not a later remastering.
<Kubuxu>
or: Some back door to the CJDNS protocol, or an easy method of decryption for example would be a strong blow against the privacy of the darknet.
<Codebird>
But a lot of it is still under copyright in the US.
<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): s/for a while/ever, probably/ :(
<Codebird>
Probably.
<Codebird>
It's important to maintain copyright coverage for the Beatles, otherwise they wouldn't have any reason to make more music.
<ansuz>
daviddias, chriscool, whyrusleeping: make sure to ping me when you're in paris
<chriscool>
ansuz: ok for me
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<Codebird>
I do not know the legal implications of publishing something like that on IPFS. But we're going to run into them eventually.
<Codebird>
If you're limited to only material that is legal to publish in every jurisdiction... well, hope you like cat blogs.
<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): same legal implications as publishing things on the internet through other means
<M-davidar>
(eg http or ftp)
<Codebird>
Publishing on the internet has a defined location. My public domain music collection is on a server in the UK. I think it's in London. But ipfs is everywhere - anyone who views it becomes a potential mirror.
<ansuz>
I don't see the distinction
<Codebird>
I post it. Someone uses your gateway to view it and grab some tracks. Now your gateway is also hosting it.
<ansuz>
if your music collection is on http, that is
<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): yeah, but legally those people shouldn't have viewed it in the first place
<ansuz>
if it's locked away on a hard drive, then they're equivalent
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<M-davidar>
Gateway caching is also an issue, yes
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<M-davidar>
Same legal implications as any other kind of proxy though
<Codebird>
Perhaps. But tell me: Would you feel happy about me hosting my music collection, which is legal in the UK but not in the US, on ipfs?
<Codebird>
Because I wouldn't.
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<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): if you're hosting it on your own node, I don't particularly care what you do - I can choose not to view/mirror it if I want
<Codebird>
I'd consider it if I had need. But right now it gets minimal traffic anyway. So long as it doesn't get posted in a viral blog post somewhere.
<Kubuxu>
I've just seen B2's cloud storage offer. Man they are cheap.
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<M-davidar>
Codebird (IRC): I'm not saying you should, just that it's not fundamentally different to running a public ftp server
<Codebird>
I make about £0.10 a month in advertising off it. Less the £20.00 a month in hosting, mostly because I got a package with enough RAM allocation to run a minecraft server with mods.
<Kubuxu>
hubic has 10Mbit/s up/down limit and they say nothing about bandwidth, they never say that it is unlimited so it probably isn't
<ansuz>
they say it's for files that you don't use frequently, so it's bound to have a lot of caveats
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<lgierth>
cryptix: you still at cch?
<lgierth>
i have a yubikey for you
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<cryptix>
lgierth: right!
<cryptix>
lgierth: i'm at the sendezentrum right now but can swing by, need to fetch food anyway
<lgierth>
cryptix: will be at the ipfs table in 5
<lgierth>
and wait for you there
<cryptix>
lgierth: perfect
<lgierth>
man ssh-keygen
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<aramboi>
hello everyone :)
<aramboi>
in case anyone is using zsh I've just posted a plugin that provides cli completion for ipfs (v0.3.10) here https://github.com/aramboi/zsh-ipfs (PR in oh-my-zsh pending) ... enjoy :)
<brimstone>
aramboi: nice
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<Bat`O>
aramboi: i guess it works only for zsh, not bash ?
<Bat`O>
maybe your implementation should end in the same place ?
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<aramboi>
Bat`O: having it's own repo makes it easier to install it via Antigen (like Vundle.vim, but for zsh)
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<aramboi>
I have no experience with bash completion. then again neither with zhs, I had so many headaches to make this work. :)
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<brimstone>
aramboi: i've been there, zsh completions is a terrible place
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<aramboi>
brimstone: and the docs ... oh the docs
<aramboi>
:))
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<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs-api] Dignifiedquire created greenkeeper-karma-mocha-reporter-1.1.5 (+1 new commit): http://git.io/vEAjG
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs-api/greenkeeper-karma-mocha-reporter-1.1.5 e8ced5e greenkeeperio-bot: chore(package): update karma-mocha-reporter to version 1.1.5...
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<ralphtheninja>
whyrusleeping: well, yes and no :)
<ralphtheninja>
whyrusleeping: the lounge will be open all night
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<ralphtheninja>
whyrusleeping daviddias not sure about your plans in berlin but caleb and ryan are both going to berlin as well and might want to hang out with you :)
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to fix/external-exec: http://git.io/vEx08
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/external-exec ab12d68 Jeromy: add a test...
<whyrusleeping>
ralphtheninja: awesome! are they in this channel?
<ralphtheninja>
whyrusleeping: caleb is usually in #squatconf channel
<ralphtheninja>
his nick is cjd
<ralphtheninja>
lgierth: knows where to find him :)
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed fix/external-exec from ab12d68 to 7fe0dad: http://git.io/vExEY
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/external-exec 7fe0dad Jeromy: add a test...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/external-exec 0dd3735 Jeromy: run external commands client side...
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<whyrusleeping>
dignifiedquire: can you rebase the appveyor branch for me?
<dignifiedquire>
whyrusleeping: sure, but probably only tomorrow morning
<whyrusleeping>
ah, okay
<whyrusleeping>
no worries
<dignifiedquire>
can't rebase from my phone yet ;)
<dignifiedquire>
are you coding in the car?
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<whyrusleeping>
yeap! i am
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vExrO
<jedahan>
slowly making progress towards making all my communications distributed. last week was ipfs on raspberry pi on nycmeshnet. today is namecoin resolving to ipns.
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<jedahan>
wondering if there is a keybase-like namecoin cli
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<guruvan>
jedahan: not sure if this is working, but https://github.com/clehner/nct might be about what you're looking for
<jedahan>
thanks guruvan i was also looking at ncdns
<jedahan>
i'll try them both
<guruvan>
np - what are you building over there
<guruvan>
?
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<brimstone>
what did cjdns finally decide for name resolution?
<Kubuxu>
nothing yet
<Kubuxu>
there are problems, there are ideas
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