jackdaniel changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | <http://cliki.net/> <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/freenode/%23lisp> <https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp> <http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/> | SBCL 1.5.4, CMUCL 21b, ECL 16.1.3, CCL 1.11.5, ABCL 1.5.0
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<asarch> (defmethod foo ((b bar)) (baz b))
<asarch> (setf (foo spam) 10)
<no-defun-allowed> How would you expect that to work?
<no-defun-allowed> (defmethod (setf foo) (...) ...) works though
<asarch> I thought (defmethod) was the same as :accessor :-(
<asarch> (declass point () ((x :initform 0 :initarg :x :accessor x)))
<no-defun-allowed> :accessor FOO creates a method called FOO and another called (SETF FOO)
<asarch> Really?!!!
<no-defun-allowed> Yes.
<asarch> ...
<asarch> Check it out: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/585407
<no-defun-allowed> Your (setf foo) function has to setf the value in question too, by the way.
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<asarch> ?
<no-defun-allowed> eg: (defmethod (setf x1) ((r rect) value) (setf (x (p1 r)) r))
<asarch> D'oh!
<asarch> Ok, ok
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<asarch> Oh, the same error: There is no applicable method for the generic function #<STANDARD-GENERIC-FUNCTION (COMMON-LISP:SETF COMMON-LISP-USER::X1) (1)> when called with arguments (3 #<RECT {10021926E3}>).
<asarch> How would you write the defgeneric for (setf x1)?
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<pjb> (defgeneric (setf x1) (new-value other-parameters…))
<pjb> (defgeneric (setf x1) (new-rect rect))
<asarch> Thank you
<asarch> Thank you very much guys :-)
<asarch> Another stupid question: what's the point of defgeneric if it will overriden by defmethod?
<p_l> asarch: not overriden
<p_l> asarch: defmethod will, on all implementation I know of, implicitly add the same information as defgeneric... but only if defgeneric is missing
<p_l> defgeneric lets you declare the interface in one concise place (and extended options allow you to include method implementations as well)
<asarch> How do you define a function inside the defgeneric definition body?
<no-defun-allowed> (defgeneric name (args ...) (:method (method-args ...) body ...))
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<tsandstr> I've got a problem that I think is due to SLIME that I can't quite figure out. When I run the function READ with no arguments, Emacs informs me that there is a pipelined request involving swank:simple-completion. The repl freezes up, and it's a pain to get out of. Any ideas on how to fix it?
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<tsandstr> It works as expected when I run sbcl from the command line. The issue only arises when using SLIME.
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<oni-on-ion> hmm going to try it here
<oni-on-ion> works great. try to update slime ?
<oni-on-ion> @ tsandstr
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<oni-on-ion> READ with no args expects user input btw, i won't assume that you did not know this if it is indeed why it seems like it is freezing up
<oni-on-ion> http://ix.io/1P1N
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<lispy2> hey are people around? im having trouble hooking up emacs to my sbcl instance on fedora 29 and was looking for people to get ideas from
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<voices> it seems that the order of (let ...) (labels ...) (macrolet ...) etc. in a function doesn't matter, but is there a standard order / best practice ?
<vsync> just put it all in &aux
<vsync> (don't do that)
<no-defun-allowed> oh god
* vsync just knows he had a let-when macro and was annoyed when he found out The Done Thing is when-let
<oni-on-ion> lispy2, do you have SLIME installed ?
<tsandstr> oni-on-ion: I know that read expects input. It lets me type a few characters before freezing. Pressing <C-g> lets me type one more character, so by doing that every other character I can brute force my way through. It's a pain thouugh
<oni-on-ion> tsandstr, this is strange. i suggest try install a new slime, which could explain the swank request message
<oni-on-ion> (similar happened to me recently)
<lispy2> oni-on-ion i do but i might just try to reinstall it tbh
<oni-on-ion> lispy2, okay well, try M-x customize-variable RET slime-lisp-implementations
<oni-on-ion> and double check inferior-lisp-program
<lispy2> so actually that value is not showing up, the closest thing to it is slime-lisp-host
<tsandstr> oni-on-ion: alright, trying that.
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<lispy2> oni-on-ion slime-lisp-implementations i mean, is not showing up
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<tsandstr> oni-on-ion: I updated SLIME, still no luck. Although I have realized that if I disable auto-complete-mode in the repl, the issue goes away.
<tsandstr> I'd like to keep autocomplete on, though
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<oni-on-ion> lispy2, perhaps you have not SLIME installed as was asked ?
<oni-on-ion> tsandstr, hmm. i am using 'eldoc' for my lisp completions
<oni-on-ion> not sure if that will make any change, but, i am also using paredit and snoopy-mode for slime so a lot of things should just work
<oni-on-ion> it feels like a version mismatch somewhere as i've had swank complaints fixed with similar actions previously
<tsandstr> oni-on-ion, do you know what the variable slime-inhibit-pipelining does? I read the short description in the help and I don't quite understand it. COuld tweaking that value help me out at all?
<tsandstr> I am currently using SLIME version 2.24. Is there a more recent option?
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<oni-on-ion> tsandstr, hmm very possibly that variable. i would look at some other settings and check emacs configs to make sure its closer to stock. i am on 2.23 =) but i've got some extensions enabled as well
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<oni-on-ion> here is my slime config for both of you if any of it helps: http://ix.io/1P1T/elisp
<oni-on-ion> using Emacs 27.xx
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<tsandstr> oni-on-ion: This is all of my SLIME related config: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/1459#1459
<oni-on-ion> tsandstr, ac-slime may be interfering? i have not used use-package
<tsandstr> hmm... okay
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<asarch> Thank you no-defun-allowed! :-)
<asarch> See you later guys
<asarch> Have a nice day
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<ebzzry> Does anybody have success loading rutils in LispWorks?
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<Xach> Hmm, alexandria has dropped its alexandria.0.dev nickname.
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<Xach> This broke femlisp but it looks like femlisp is actively maintained
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<Xach> automatic daily builds for quicklisp have made it much easier to stay on top of reporting bugs and checking that they have been resolved.
<Xach> I can wake up in the morning and check what treats await me in the build failure report and send out report after report!
<ck_> you had been doing all that manually in the past?
* jackdaniel looks suspiciously at his mailbox
<Xach> ck_: it was automated for a few years, then i had server problems and I "just" kicked it off manually each morning (but this chore is not as rewarding as seeing the results), and i am now back on the automatic train
<ck_> happy to hear that
<Xach> Every morning there's a new row at the bottom of http://report.quicklisp.org
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<p_l> Xach: would it be of interest to be able to send bug report on changes automatically?
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<ebzzry> Is there anyone from LispWorks here?
<jackdaniel> I think most people here are using floss cl implementations, I gather they must have some kind of support forum for their customers (in LW)
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<puchacz> ebzzry: there is HUG - Harlequin User Group
<ebzzry> Thanks. I’m trying to reach their support channel, but I’m not getting any responses.
<ebzzry> Thanks, nonetheless.
<ebzzry> I’ll try that channel.
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<tsandstr> Hey, anyone have any experience using slime-ac?
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<puchacz> ebzzry: what support channel are you trying to reach?
<puchacz> do they have anything on IRC?
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<ebzzry> puchacz: I tried to reach them via mail
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<puchacz> ebzzry: thanks
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<fouric> PuercoPop: does slitch support SBCL? it says that it runs on CMUCL and i know that that's a fork of SBCL...
<fouric> erm, SBCL is a fork of CMUCL
<fouric> fe[nl]ix: i think that iolib example was exactly what i needed, thanks!
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<jackdaniel> http://hellsgate.pl/files/immediate.mp4, http://hellsgate.pl/files/immediate.lisp (poc immediate gui mode implemented using mcclim low-level abstractions)
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