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<matzy_> no-defun-allowed ah ok i see now. thanks for the great explanation
<matzy_> it was so frustrating because it worked ins slime but wouldn't compile, and now it all make ssense :)
<matzy_> *in slime
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<matzy_> seok so find ";; ======== COMMON LISP ========" in my init.el file in my init.el file:: https://github.com/cmatzenbach/emacs-config/blob/master/init.el
<matzy_> word salad but hopefullt that helps
<seok> It's a bit odd
<seok> I am getting .quicklisp/
<seok> but not quicklisp/
<seok> on home/ubuntu directory
<matzy_> there's some trial/unnecessary stuff in there, i assume you understand enough about emacs to but out the stuff you don't need, but it works just fine
<matzy_> *take out
<seok> yes
<seok> so Im actually plinking to load this file
<seok> plink:ubuntu@ec2-107-22-143-36.compute-1.amazonaws.com:~/quicklisp/slime-helper.el
<Harag> seok: how do you install quicklisp in your Dockerfile?
<seok> I had to do this
<seok> (load (expand-file-name "/myplink:ubuntu@ec2-107-22-143-36.compute-1.amazonaws.com:.quicklisp/slime-helper.el"))
<seok> it can find slime-helper.el
<seok> but not slime-autoloads
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<matzy_> so i'm actually trying to setup this server on a dockerfile too
<seok> you are trying to do the same thing?
<Josh_2> How do I serve a .ico file with hunchentoot... it expects a string to output
<seok> ive been trying to connect for 5 hours. haha
<seok> finally got it connecting to the file directory, but not slime yet
<Josh_2> should install linux in a vm
<Josh_2> make this 100x easier
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<seok> you are probably right
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<no-defun-allowed> Josh_2: Use (hunchentoot:send-headers) to send off the headers and get a binary stream, then WRITE-SEQUENCE a byte vector to that stream.
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<no-defun-allowed> i.e. (write-sequence ico-data (hunchentoot:send-headers))
<Josh_2> rip, not using hunchentoot direction oof
<Josh_2> will have to figure out how ningle wraps around these
<no-defun-allowed> glhf
<Josh_2> no-defun-allowed: thanks though. Pointed me in the right direction
<matzy_> seok yeah, i'm trying to deploy a docker container to aws with a minimal webserver for a pro bono project i'm doing. you should check out this container, it has everything we need: https://hub.docker.com/r/madnificent/lisp-webservice
<Harag> maybe look at this https://github.com/shassard/sbcl-ql-swank learn how to set up your Dockerfile correctly
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<matzy_> i just wan't figure out how to get it running. i think it was because i had always been running my server locally with slime and have never used asdf to build the package. i'm hoping now I can just specify the system no-defun-allowed helped me compile/load/whatever and it will work
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<matzy_> The "Idiomatic Use" section of his docs says "Ideally, your webservice has the same name as its main package, and the main package should contain a boot command which launches the web service". I'm just confused of his wording of "package" and "webservice" there
<matzy_> I think "main package" refers to the system no-defun-allowed just helped me compile but I still don't know what he means by "package"
<matzy_> or sorry i don't know what he means by "webservice"
<no-defun-allowed> Probably the server program you are going to end up running.
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<matzy_> so the lisp file that starts the server?
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<no-defun-allowed> I haven't used Docker or that configuration before, but I guess the expected use is that you have a file that loads your system and calls some function to start the server.
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<no-defun-allowed> Or you use `docker run` arguments to tell it what system to load, and what to run to start it? I'm not sure.
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<matzy_> yeah it's kinda confusing. i appreciate the suggestions though, i'll try them
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<Harag> you install what you need on the docker with RUN commands and then usually the last thing in the Docker file is a CMD that you start lisp with loading your package or source file which should contain the code that starts your webserver etc
<Harag> are you testing your Docker locally before you are pushing to AWS?
<matzy_> oh shit
<matzy_> that makes complete sense
<matzy_> Harag you are a god among men
<matzy_> it's hard to find people who use cl + docker
<matzy_> or posts about it online, and manual setup is pretty complex
<Harag> no matzy_ i just had to learn how to do it a couple of days ago
<seok> matzy_ I've never heard of docker and just started to look into it
<seok> this makes things so much easier
<matzy_> especially since it's super easy to deploy to aws once you get it setup
<matzy_> the setup is the hard part
<seok> yes
<matzy_> Harag yeah, i haven't pushed anything to aws yet
<seok> I'm wondering, how does docker handle inbound and outbound address & ports?
<matzy_> i haven't even got the server running on docker
<matzy_> hell, i hadn't gotten it to "compile" until npw
<seok> wouldn't you need to change settings of you application once you upload your container to a cloud?
<matzy_> there's a network section in the docker docs
<matzy_> it's really good at explaining that all
<Harag> in docerfile EXPOSE [port number]
<Harag> in lisp code makes sure your lisp server is bound to 0.0.0.0 and the port you exposed
<seok> ah so you can use internal ports to handle network?
<Harag> in the run command
<seok> I'll have a look at the docs
<Harag> --publish [localport]:[docker port]
<Harag> the jist of it is that you need to tell docker which ports to open with EXPOSE, and to be able to test on your local machine when you run you have to map the docker port to a port on your local machine
<Harag> internally docker uses 0.0.0.0 for localhost and not 127.0.01 ... or something like that.... i am not to hot networking
<Harag> but this is now of topic
<matzy_> seok if you use the image i provided it takes care of the networking (or rather, shows you the commands to in the docs)
<seok> hm it doesn't open anymore
<seok> I had to restart installing docker
<seok> : (
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<matzy_> so yeah same link
<matzy_> there's also a github with the same README if you go to https://github.com/madnificent/lisp-webservice-docker
<seok> I am getting 404
<matzy_> on the github site?
<matzy_> you can also try going to hub.docker.com and searching for "lisp-webservice" till you find his
<seok> on the docker site
<seok> github site works fine
<seok> hm
<matzy_> i dunno, it works fine for me, and i tried in a private window
<matzy_> just do what i said above and go to dockerhub and search for that image name and looks for the one with his username
<matzy_> or just use the instructions in his github readme
<matzy_> so Harag would I load the quicklisp repos through his command in the docker image and remove them from the :depends-on section of my .asd file?
<Harag> matzy_: that docker image really cool but really complicated I would start with a simple Docker file form scratch which will teach you the basics after that you can get fancy
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<matzy_> Harag yeah that's the one thing I was worried about, it's taking a docker image and then adding more stuff onto it for convenience, but if I could get it to work....i do understand almost all of the commands in the Dockerfile
<matzy_> of course i'm still a docker newbie and can't even get one to keep running
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<matzy_> for some reason "docker run -t -d ...." don't keep it running
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<PuercoPop> What are the consequences of (declare (ignore foo))? If I declare a keyword arguemnt as ignored in one method and then (call-next-method). Should the next method be able to use the keyword argument?
<beach> Sure.
<beach> The declaration is valid in a lexical scope.
<beach> It is just to inform the compiler that in that particular scope, you don't intend to use the variable, so the compiler should not warn if the variable is not used.
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<beach> And by "lexical scope" is meant the text that covers the declaration. The next method is not in that scope.
<beach> The text that is covered by the declaration, rather.
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<PuercoPop> beach: thanks
<beach> Sure.
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* adlai wonders what the inspiration for #'ql-setup::dumb-string-hash
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<no-defun-allowed> ql-setup::asdf-fasl-pathname appears to use it. That seems to used to name the FASL file for ASDF.
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<adlai> right, I mean the hash algorithm itself
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<no-defun-allowed> I'm not sure, but it basically rotates (not shifts; rotation causes the most significant bits that get pushed off to the left to cycle back into the least significant) the hash by 5 bits and XORs in the next character code. Nothing really too fancy, so I don't know if it's really inspired by anything.
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<adlai> _death: "Created 20 minutes ago" old indeed :)
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<_death> putting it online is new
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<adlai> it's probably "safe" since the input space is significantly restricted (implementation name & version, machine type & version)
<phoe> morniiiing
<no-defun-allowed> Good morning phoe
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<beach> Hello phoe. Which speaker goes first tomorrow?
<phoe> I've yet to flip the coin
<phoe> Let me do that
<beach> OK.
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<phoe> (progn (setf *random-state* (make-random-state)) (alexandria:whichever :beach :easye)) ;=> :EASYE
<phoe> you go second
<beach> OK, and how long do you think his presentation is?
<phoe> ~45 minutes, IIRC
<beach> Thanks!
<adlai> what presentations are these?
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<adlai> thank you
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<Josh_2> Afternoon all
<Josh_2> Does anyone know how create a route for an image with Ningle?
<Josh_2> https://github.com/fukamachi/lack here is says "in case of that you would prefer a stream to a function", 'lack.util.writer-stream warps the function .." So I think thats how I'm supposed to write my vector to the client however this function doesn't exist
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<_death> did you load the lack-util-writer-stream system? it seems to ape javascript practice of defining lots of modules, each doing almost nothing
<Josh_2> I tried loading it with quickload
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<_death> maybe your autocomplete is missing lack.util.writer-stream:make-writer-stream
<Josh_2> Says it doesn't exist
<Josh_2> simple-reader-package-error
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<_death> well, it works for me.. please show more of your session
<Josh_2> huh
<Josh_2> one sec I will try a fresh sbcl
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<SpaceIgor2075> Hello everybody! Is there something like Racket's 2htdp/universe big-bang for Common Lisp?
<phoe> what's 2hdtp/universe big-bang?
<phoe> oh, https://docs.racket-lang.org/teachpack/2htdpuniverse.html?q=big-bang#%28form._world._%28%28lib._2htdp%2Funiverse..rkt%29._big-bang%29%29
<SpaceIgor2075> yes
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<p_l> looks like pretty common event loop, just in more functional sauce
<p_l> that said I haven't seen any explicit library like that
<p_l> have seen related ideas in various code
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<_death> I guess sketch is one
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<Josh_2> _death: sorry for late response. Even on a fresh image I don't have that function
<Josh_2> even if I ql clack and lack
<_death> sounds like you have some debugging to do.. like finding out the effect of loading that system
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<Josh_2> yikes
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<Josh_2> even on my remote server I have the same problem
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<_death> btw I have the git repo cloned, not the quicklisp release
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<_death> here https://github.com/fukamachi/lack/blob/master/lack-util-writer-stream.asd you can see that it should load src/util/writer-stream(.lisp) .. in that file you can add a (cl:print "hi mom") at the top and see whether it's printed.. if not, you may have something weird like multiple systems going by the same name.. if it gets evaluated, then there's a good chance the rest of the forms get evaluated as well and you can go from there
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<cracauer> i
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<Josh_2> _death: it does not get printed
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<_death> so you can try (asdf:system-relative-pathname "lack-util-writer-stream" "") to see where that asd file is
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<Josh_2> Says it is within lack-2020610-git/
<Josh_2> within the QL directory structure
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<_death> so, can you add the transcript for loading lack-util-writer-stream and a find-package form showing the package's not there
<_death> gtg
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<Josh_2> If I just load the asd directly, I can then load the system with quicklisp and it works
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<Josh_2> https://imgur.com/kbnsbvm.png how do I fix "ALEXANDRIA is a nickname for the package ALEXANDRIA.1.0.0"
<Josh_2> sorry for using a screenshot
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<Josh_2> oh wait
<Josh_2> might be fine
<Josh_2> think I just have to remake my lisp image
<Josh_2> Yep :)
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<Josh_2> _death: I have got it to work!
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<Josh_2> Well I wanted to try using Woo instead of hunchentoot, it doesn't build ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Josh_2> Builds on my Gentoo install but not Ubuntu
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<Harag> Josh_2: woo needs libev-dev on ubuntu sudo apt install libev-dev
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<momozor> Hi. May I ask something ABCL specific in here?
<phoe> sure, in the worst case we'll defer to #abcl
<phoe> or to easye ;)
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<momozor> Is this the right way to actually load the maven artifact automatically from a Lisp project?
<momozor> Using abcl-contrib of course
<momozor> It would be great to put it inside the project's .asd file, but I don't think ABCL recognize that snippet until you try to abcl-contrib
<momozor> and I did try that, FYI. It won't work. :(
<momozor> try to load abcl-contrib*
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<Josh_2> Harag: I have that installed. Still didn't work
<Harag> Josh_2: i might have missed some of the conversion...but why are you compiling woo and not using then one form quicklisp... or is it the quickload of woo that is crashing
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<Harag> woo works on ubuntu, I must have installed it a 1000 times over the last couple of days testing an lisp ubuntu docker
<Harag> what version of ubuntu are you using?
<Josh_2> It was the quickload that failed
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<Harag> Josh_2: what does the error say?
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<luis> lukego: if you plan to get back to SLIME hacking, you should join #slime :-)
<fe[nl]ix> luis: have you read https://borodust.org/2020/06/12/claw-honing/ ?
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<fe[nl]ix> Xach: can you add https://borodust.org/atom.xml to Planet Lisp ?
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<luis> fe[nl]ix: looks interesting. Thanks.
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<Xach> fe[nl]ix: i can
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* Xach fixes alexander artemenko while he is at it
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<fe[nl]ix> thanks
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<fe[nl]ix> jackdaniel: ping
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<Xach> rutils broke a bunch of stuff today!
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* Xach files some bugs
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