lekernel changed the topic of #milkymist to: Milkymist One, Migen, Milkymist SoC & Flickernoise :: Logs: http://en.qi-hardware.com/mmlogs :: EHSM Berlin Dec 28-30 http://ehsm.eu :: latest video http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL181AAD8063FCC9DC
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<Alarm> Which mouse are compatible with Milkymist ?
<wpwrak> many :) trial and error should get you a working solution in very little time
<Alarm> I want tu buy a mouse :)
<wpwrak> i'd just get a cheap one. see if it works. most likely it will. if it doesn't try another cheap one.
<wolfspraul> in a bizarre twist of events, milkymist ends up bringing some chinese culture to the world!
<wolfspraul> was that the original goal? :-)
<wolfspraul> don't talk, don't think, just try
<wpwrak> buying exactly the some mouse someone else got is difficult because there's a huge number of no-name brands out there. so mouse "foo" i can buy in argentina may not exist anywhere where you shop
<wpwrak> s/some/same/
<wpwrak> a way around this would be to buy a big brand name mouse. but then, these have a higher risk of doing fancy things and thus not working. also, they're more expensive than the cheap china clones.
<wpwrak> so buying something low-end and generic _is_ the best strategy.
<Alarm> ok thanks
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<wpwrak> wolfspraul: yeah, that whole "no pc needed" feature was one big mistake. imagine milkymist as a usb device. A/V in, video out, send "patch" code via USB. UI on the PC. nice and simple. no MIDI, no USB host, no mice, no keyboards, no DMX, no Ethernet.
<wolfspraul> yes agreed, although if you start thinking in that direction then you don't know which features will stay and which will go. the end result may be entirely different
<wolfspraul> you may build some hw where a legitimate question may be "why didn't you just write a script-plugin for mac app xyz?"
<wpwrak> oh, if you make it a video effect peripheral instead of a standalone device, the remaining feature set is pretty clear
<wolfspraul> and another 5 lines later they wrote one for you :-)
<wpwrak> yes, if you can do all the video processing in sw well enough, then indeed, the mac app would be the way to go :)
<wpwrak> well, sw ... and you also need the right set of I/O. that may what brings your macbook down - not enough A/V I/O.
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<Fallenou> what's the standby bitstream ? (in M1 flash)
<Fallenou> it does not have a "normal" size for a bitstream for this fpga :o
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<wpwrak> as far as i know, current "standby" basically just checks if a button is pressed and then loads the real bitstream, based on that
<wpwrak> before, it used to loop as well
<wpwrak> so it's very very simple
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<Alarm> What files among "standby.fpg soc.fpg bios.bin nbios-rescue.bin splash.raw flickernoise.fbi " which are produced by the toolchain ?
<Alarm> or Xilinx ISE ?
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<sh4rm4> i'd say *.fpg are bitstreams, the other things software, so from the compiler toolchain
<Alarm> flickernoise find in /opt/milkymist/flickernoise/src/bin/
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<mwalle> Fallenou: its compressed
<mwalle> Fallenou: btw i hacked some short python script last night: http://pastebin.com/PJN1DWYA
<mwalle> (lower case chars denotes an invalid instruction)
<mwalle> - is a killed instruction
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<Fallenou> mwalle: wo seems nice :)
<Fallenou> trace_pipe1.txt is pipeline output ?
<Fallenou> I mean simulation output
<Fallenou> draw me a pipeline is almost ready for use
<Fallenou> but it's really basic at the moment ...
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<wpwrak> if a rebuild happens "normally" every day, did something go wrong the last week ? or is the "normally" estimate out of sync with the real schedule ?
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<mwalle> Fallenou: yeah, sourcecode is available at my lm32-simulation branch
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<Fallenou> mwalle: do you still think we can do the tlb lookup earlier?
<mwalle> yeah, but it'll be a long comb path
<mwalle> so i don't know if it'll affect the timing
<mwalle> Fallenou: you need one clock cycle to lookup the tlb, right?
<Fallenou> mwalle: yes
<wpwrak> err, path :)
<Fallenou> ahah
<mwalle> wpwrak: haha :b
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<Fallenou> I'm sure you had this picture bookmarked for a long time for an occasion like this one :)
<mwalle> going to bed now, have to get up early
<wpwrak> i like to plan ahead, but not quite so comprehensively ;-)
<wpwrak> besides, google found it quickly enough :)
<Fallenou> plan ahead .. another joke ? :)
<Fallenou> good night mwalle
<Fallenou> let's replace the Spartan 6 on M1 by this kind of FPGA http://blog.notdot.net/2012/10/Build-your-own-FPGA
<Fallenou> at least it's open source!
<Fallenou> not sure lm32 fits in 6 LUTs :)
<wpwrak> nice :)
<wpwrak> you could make multiple such boards and wire them together to whichever size you desire
<Fallenou> let's make a one-room SoC
<Fallenou> err, a System-in-a-Room
<Fallenou> SIAR
<wpwrak> ah, they actually thought of that. those boards can be connected in an array configuration
<wpwrak> SiB, System in Barn
<Fallenou> :)
<Fallenou> very nice project indeed
<Fallenou> it could be of interest for wolfspraul who is deep inside FPGA luts/slices/routing
<azonenberg> WTF xilinx http://i.imgur.com/qahTq.png
<azonenberg> what kind of autorouter invented this layout
<azonenberg> for some reason it's putting a bunch of flipflops (not connect to IOBs, mind you) waaay over on the right side of the chip
<azonenberg> nowhere near the logic they connect to
<Fallenou> ahah very nice placement
<wpwrak> did you check the "scenic route" box ? :)
<azonenberg> Lol
<azonenberg> no
<azonenberg> Any idea how to fix that? Lol
<azonenberg> I'm starting to floorplan but i dont want to have to floorplan the whole stupid design by hand
<wpwrak> it looks as if that autorouter isn't too keen on considering your wishes ...
<wolfspraul> Fallenou: hey - very very nice article - thanks for the link! :-)