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<aw-> razzy: in everyday design we don't really concern about such errors, but from the context it totally makes sense, so I found that funny.
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<razzy> aw-: if your life depended on it, you would be concerned
<aw-> razzy what the hell are you talking about?
<razzy> aw-: if your life depended on not having errors in code, you would be concerned
<razzy> aw-: if your life depended on not having errors in code, you would be concerned about soft errors
<aw-> ?
<aw-> why are you even talking about that?
<aw-> the quote i pasted was from code on a spacecraft
<aw-> and i never said or even implied that the code was not useful
<aw-> i clearly wrote "in everyday design we don't really concern"
<aw-> you know.. writing web apps and shell scripts
<aw-> so now you're talking about life and death, i don't even know why or how you got there
<razzy> nevermind, i just get triggered when people do not take code seriously
<aw-> in any case, this is stupid. I can laugh at whatever I want, I don't need to justify myself to you.
<aw-> i never said I don't take it seriously
<aw-> why are you even writing to me?
<aw-> please don't address me moving forward
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<mtsd> Good morning
<Regenaxer> Hi mtsd!
<mtsd> Hello Regenaxer!
<mtsd> Regenaxer, I must confess I forgot my password to the wiki.. Any way to reset, or remove the account altogether so I can create a new one?
<Regenaxer> I can only set a new one, and then you can change it for yourself
<Regenaxer> We can do it now
<Regenaxer> It is just for a short moment then visible
<Regenaxer> Let's do it!
<Regenaxer> You go to the login page
<Regenaxer> I send you the pw by mail
<mtsd> Sure, thanks!
<Regenaxer> Sent and changed :)
<Regenaxer> Can you try?
<mtsd> Yes, it worked fine, I set a new one. Thank you!
<Regenaxer> Great :)
<mtsd> I will adapt my presentation from London a bit, the add it to the wiki
<Regenaxer> Thanks, very nice!
<mtsd> It went well this time too. Had some interesting discussions afterwards too
<mtsd> Some people seem to have trouble believeing that something like Picolisp exists, that software can be that small and simple :)
<Regenaxer> Cool!
<Regenaxer> So you could convince them?
<mtsd> Yes, I think so. They wanted to know more, and I sent them some documentation and tutorials
<Regenaxer> Perfect :)
<mtsd> It is quite telling that everyone has gotten so used to large, complicated software systems that they have a hard time even imagining simplicity
<Regenaxer> At the first sight neither complexity nor simplicity are clearly visible
<mtsd> T
<mtsd> The "popular" systems seems simple at first, maybe
<Regenaxer> yes, look easier to learn
<Regenaxer> not so different from other existing stuff perhaps
<mtsd> Picolisp seems to become simpler the more you use it, in my opinion
<mtsd> Other systems are the other way around, many times
<Regenaxer> I feel so too
<mtsd> You invest time and effort in Pil, initially, and it pays off immensely
<Regenaxer> Like with other things too
<Regenaxer> One needs to take time in the beginning to learn thoroughly first
<Regenaxer> Most people try to avoid learning
<mtsd> And you have to do more yourself in Pil. Not copying from stackoverflow ;)
<Regenaxer> true
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<mtsd> Many people claiming to be programmers today are like someone claiming to be a carpenter after assembling IKEA furniture ;)
<Regenaxer> haha, true
<mtsd> I would be an apprentice programmer, in that comparison ;)
<Nistur> mornin'
<Regenaxer> Hi Nistur
<Nistur> o7
<razzy> if you invest time to your personalise lisp, it pays of immensely :]
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<freemint> $ts
<freemint> mtsd are the slides online yet?
<mtsd> Planning to add them to the wiki tonight
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