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<whitequark> so i'm thinking about shingled magnetic recording on floppies
<whitequark> as far as i can tell the erase head can be simply defeated as the erase head driver is a simple open collector output buffer
<whitequark> i.e. all it does is magnetize the entire track in one direction
<Lord_Nightmare> it may work. the kodak 3.3mb/6mb/12mb floppies used a two-stepper system using cats-eye marks before every sector on a track, and a coarse and fine stepper
<Lord_Nightmare> at least for the 3.3mb version i think it had well over 192TPI
<Lord_Nightmare> and likely even more for the 6mb and 12mb versions
<Lord_Nightmare> the annoying thing about the cats eye marks is that a disk cannot be reformatted in the drive itself, it has to be done from factory
<whitequark> cats eye marks?
<Lord_Nightmare> like you'd see on a calibration disk for a 5.25 or 3.5 drive
<whitequark> i've never seen those
<Lord_Nightmare> i think what a cats eye mark is is two sine waves encoded as flux on the disk, one a bit too far in for a specific track and another a bit too far out
<Lord_Nightmare> and you adjust the drive calibration until the head amp read signal shows both peaks equal height
<Lord_Nightmare> i think the two signals are 180 degrees out of phase
<Lord_Nightmare> or something like that
<Lord_Nightmare> as does http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/panasonic/floppy/MSD850902900_JU-455_5_ServiceManual.pdf which also calls it a 'radial alignment waveform'
<Lord_Nightmare> the latter pdf has a very good description of what the signals should look like on an oscilloscope
<Wohali> is what you mean
<Wohali> iiuc
<Wohali> never heard them called cat's eye, but eye pattern/diagram for sure
<Wohali> bed. zzz
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<whitequark> i think that's a different eye pattern
<Lord_Nightmare> it might be the same, i'm not sure. i've never used a cats eye disk myself, though i do have one somewhere.
<whitequark> hmm i really want one now
<Lord_Nightmare> whitequark: if you figure out how to MAKE a cats-eye disk (possibly with 2 passes of writing in two deliberately misaligned drives) that would be very neat
<Lord_Nightmare> but i don't know if it is necessary, there seem to be enough NOS alignment disks on ebay to go around I think
<Lord_Nightmare> that 5.25 dymek disk is for a 48tpi drive
<Lord_Nightmare> I think you can find a 96tpi 5.25 alignment disk on ebay too tho, lemme see if i can find one
<Lord_Nightmare> maybe not... i don't see any for sale right now.
<Lord_Nightmare> http://www.myatari.com/dymekalign.pdf has some info about the types of alignment disks dymek made
<whitequark> >They can be used on any 80 track 3 1/2” Disk Drive with access to the head pre-amp and a method to position the head to specific tracks.
<whitequark> can you explain how the preamp testpoint is supposed to be used?
<whitequark> i do have it on some of my drives
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<Lord_Nightmare> the different pdfs should explain it, i think... i've never really done it myself
<Lord_Nightmare> there's a whole lot more pdfs of floppy drive manuals on bitsavers
<balrog> whitequark: any chance you might be interested in a Drivetec floppy drive?
<balrog> it has two stepper motors, one for coarse positioning and one for fine
<balrog> I can find the patent for that
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