02:50 <andlabs> meanwhile I'm starting to be annoyed by this K-25m thing — the shop I got it from won't look at it until after I contact Roland (they think I'm asking for instructions, not repairs) and my brother says to give up on it and just buy a battery-powered portable MIDI keyboard; and I still have no idea how to take the cable out (I see some stuff with numbers on the obbtom of th ecase, though...)

02:58 <andlabs> Lord_Nightmare: where did you get the ifnormation that the cable might be in backwards anyway?

03:49 <andlabs> meanwhile, today in Style and/or Aesthetic https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Yamaha_MODUS_H01.jpg

17:45 <andlabs> [13:43:36] <+andlabs>fucking roland can't make a USB MIDI cable that doesn't require a proprietary driver

17:45 <andlabs> [13:43:51] <+andlabs>I wonder if I should go ahead and install the driver or buy another one of those cheap M-AUDIO ones that IIRC don't need a driver

17:48 <andlabs> [13:48:00] <+andlabs>option 3: spend another $80-$120 on a yamaha CBX-K1 and wait for it to arrive, but I'm not sur ehow much more I can spend

19:36 <ej5> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Adlib-Gold-1000-Sound-Card-Stereo-with-Surround-modules-NIB-Boxed-/303189765147

19:36 <ej5> $4300!

19:36 <superctr_> a steal

20:12 <cr1901_modern> And yes indeed

20:12 <cr1901_modern> Sound card prices approach MFM hard drive prices

20:12 <cr1901_modern> Think I saw a Priam going for about that much money in 2011

20:19 <cr1901_modern> Btw, the tweet you link to is gone: https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1142718177425727488 Do you know what it said? I seem to recall Barret Brown... not being a nice dude

20:20 <cr1901_modern> (who has been through some bad stuff)

20:22 <whitequark> his account is suspended

20:23 <superctr_> someone talks shit on their personal twitter account, so what

20:23 <whitequark> here's why https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1142854249719717888

20:23 <whitequark> predictably, twitter keeps defending fash

20:26 <superctr_> wait, you are defending him

20:29 <cr1901_modern> Oh fuck I can't believe I posted that in here

20:29 <cr1901_modern> whitequark: Sorry that was meant to be a privmsg

20:31 <cr1901_modern> Anyways, yep Twitter having no idea how to run itself. In other news, grass is green

20:32 <superctr_> well, it is a little funny considering the right wingers tend to complain about twitter not being on "their side" when it comes to enforcement, anyway

20:34 <superctr_> when they manage to piss off all sides, i guess the moderation works :P

20:35 <cr1901_modern> They want the ability to spew their bile without anyone calling them out on it w/ righteous anger. More so than the ability to spew their bile w/o consequences (which they already have)

20:36 <cr1901_modern> The right's interest in free speech is a diversion; they'll happily take it away in order to enforce their morality on others the first change they get ._.

20:36 <superctr_> they already have an echo chamber, not everyone wants that, that's why they use twitter

20:36 <cr1901_modern> superctr_: Btw, have you seen ValleyBell recently?

20:36 <superctr_> he's on vacation

20:36 <cr1901_modern> ahhh cool

20:37 <superctr_> <ValleyBell> (I'll be coming back on the 24th.)

20:37 <superctr_> so tomorrow then

20:37 <cr1901_modern> Oh whoops

20:41 <cr1901_modern1> There's a few ppl (not naming names in here- ask if you want to know) who I would actually want in here for their technical views feedback, but their politics are right wing enough (Shapiro/Peterson/Trump lovers) that I haven't invited them. Not worth any technical contributions they could give.

20:43 <superctr_> well, i think that is sad

20:43 <superctr_> politics have nothing to do with yamaha synths

20:44 <cr1901_modern1> I know, but in practice politics always finds a way to seep in

20:45 <superctr_> well, there you can draw a line

20:45 <superctr_> it is not uncommon to have a rule against discussing politics

20:46 <cr1901_modern1> superctr_: FWIW, I have a contingency. All I said was I haven't invited them. If they ended up finding this room anyway, that's not grounds for telling them to get out.

20:47 <cr1901_modern1> But the moment they start spewing bile like transphobia/homophobia, discussing whether swaths of people deserve rights because of factors they can't control, they're gone

20:47 <cr1901_modern1> I would like to avoid fighting tho, so I personally haven't invited said ppl :/

20:49 <superctr_> fair enough

20:53 <cr1901_modern1> Btw, I don't ban politics in this room lol. If you look at my disaster of a Twitter acct, 80% of my tweets are RTs about how shit everything is. But that msg to wq was indeed meant to be private