ChanServ changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
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<fseidel>
ValleyBell: woah, I thought CSM was completely unused on MD
<fseidel>
where does Mega Turrican use it?
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<ValleyBell>
I thought "Stage 1 (Secret Area)", but apparently enables CSM mode by accident.
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<cr1901_modern>
>UnluckyPony [~SceneCAT Ahh, that's who UnluckyPony is...
<fseidel>
ValleyBell: is the error audible, or not?
<ValleyBell>
I didn't notice a change when replacing "52 27 FF" with "52 27 40" (latter is "multi-freq ch3 without CSM)
<fseidel>
ah
<ValleyBell>
I just remember that song being broken for some time when I ported MAME's YM2612 to VGMPlay, because the timers didn't work correctly.
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<cr1901_modern>
VGMPlay uses the timers?
<fseidel>
Chris Huelsbeck's driver really seems to be quite good, it's a shame that's the only game to actually use it
<fseidel>
minus the bomberman and jim power protos
<ValleyBell>
It doesn't have to, but CSM mode relies on the timers for doing automatic key on/off.
<ValleyBell>
I had to fix the timers when I wrote stuff like SMPSPlay, GEMSPlay and DEPlay. (DE = the MegaDrive Data East sound driver)
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<cr1901_modern>
https://cybre.space/@gatewave/102776787585763300 Although this clearly wasn't a priority to me when I started the channel (I didn't get logging until *checks* Feb of this year), this is definitely retroactive justification for using IRC :P
<andlabs>
my point exactly
<andlabs>
but nooo we can't use IRC and mumble
<cr1901_modern>
This is oversimplifying a bit, but: IRC hate is in vogue.
<andlabs>
for good reason
<andlabs>
IRC *cannot* advance past 1992
<andlabs>
I mean sure it tried, and those tries all failed
<andlabs>
when was your last successful XDCC transfer?
<andlabs>
when did you last see a 256-color CTCP message?
<cr1901_modern>
I've never done an XDCC xfer... although I probably should since bakabt pruned my acct
<ValleyBell>
I see a nicely colours welcome message every time I join badnik.zone :P
<andlabs>
and to add insult to injury, these failed attempts have just resulted in mountains of technical debt for anyone wanting to make a client
<natarii>
imo irc isn't meant for mass adoption by non-nerds, and i think that's okay and doesn't really need to be changed
<ValleyBell>
*nicely coloured
<andlabs>
yes but that's using the normal 16-color CTCP
<andlabs>
the real problem is very simple: not everyone can host a server for their chat service of choice
<natarii>
and yeah the last time i used xdcc was getting anime on rizon ;p
<andlabs>
just like not everyone can host their own web server or email
<andlabs>
and I'm not sure how to fix that.
<andlabs>
also let me clarify, I don't mean *any* XDCC transfer
<andlabs>
I mean specifically one that *worked*
<andlabs>
or hell, not even XDCC, but ANY DCC transfer
<natarii>
federated protocols are nice because even if you can't host your own server, at least you can choose one you like and expect it to interop with others
<andlabs>
but yeah, attempting to bring features of modern chat protocols to IRC will backfire in spectacular fashion
<andlabs>
which is a shame because there is one IRC-only person I would really like to share photos privately with
<andlabs>
at least Discord lets you do that, since all uploaded files have an HTTP URL
<natarii>
cr1901_modern: are you on fedi?
<cr1901_modern>
natarii: https://mastodon.social/@cr1901 I think you found this channel when I did light advertising on fedi a few months back
<natarii>
ah - maybe
<cr1901_modern>
I do not use it nearly as much as hellsite
<cr1901_modern>
because I enjoy staring into an abyss
<natarii>
opposite for me because i miss post visibility levels when im on twitter ;p
<cr1901_modern>
And indeed Exiled-Destiny is done :/. Definitely lots of nostalgia from me watching a bunch of their subs from last decade
<cr1901_modern>
natarii: That xband impl o.0;... that's awesome
<cr1901_modern>
I know someone who was hired by the company who made xband to do some REing to make games work w/ it- apparently not a fun job
<andlabs>
huh?
<andlabs>
also I just bought a sealed xband
<andlabs>
which is cool
<andlabs>
I definitely plan on doing a byuu like MD project
<natarii>
i wanted to work on stuff with retrolive but it seems like they're falling apart
<cr1901_modern>
disk horse?
<natarii>
kinda. i think the big problem is people have dayjobs and limited time
<natarii>
and people feel ignored because of that, or feel that it's not worth it
<natarii>
to be clear any kind of xband revival is basically a dead project, they were working on new hardware/software to accomplish the same thing
<natarii>
(this is getting offtopic, im sorry ;_;)
<cr1901_modern>
I've never enforced OT and don't plan to
<natarii>
fair
<cr1901_modern>
(it helps build community IMO to allow off-topic. Was once part of a forum where it was guaranteed each thread would derail at least once :P)
<andlabs>
I'm gonna bring back the Japan-specific version of Seega Channel
<cr1901_modern>
Sonic Eraser?
<andlabs>
no, that was Game Toshokan/MeagNet
<andlabs>
JP Sega Channel only has two (2) known surviving examples that are publicily known about
<andlabs>
I happen to own one of them =P
<andlabs>
it's the most useless thing I could think of
<natarii>
one of the retrolive people has one of the at&t edge16 modems. very cool but also kinda useless ;p
<andlabs>
MegaNet is interesting
<andlabs>
the Game Toshokan service did a lot of what Satellaview did, but in 1990, and with only 128KB games
<andlabs>
but there were also a number of standalone games that could connect to the Meganet uber-service to do multiplayer games
<andlabs>
and possibly some games that didn't use a service and just let you dial other people directly
<andlabs>
if you ever wonder why Flicky and Fatal Labyrnth are so ... simple and seemingly devoid of polish, this is why
<andlabs>
they had to fit in 128KB
<andlabs>
we have one ROM called Riddle Wired that's a quiz game, but it turns out there were at least 12 volumes of puzzles, rleeased in 4-month intervals
<andlabs>
Sunsoft ran a Sunsoft-only news service
<cr1901_modern>
Flicky feels like it shouldn't even use 128kB, tbh
<andlabs>
so you can find out about all the newest Famicom games on your Mega Drive =P
<andlabs>
the people who were responsible for choosing Genesis gams for ... every single collection of Genesis games ever are stupid for wasting space on Flicky
<cr1901_modern>
That's where I played it
<cr1901_modern>
Maybe that was the minimal ROM mask size... SNES manual says 256kB is the minimum mask size for cartridges
<andlabs>
and that's not because FLicky is bad
<andlabs>
I'm sure it's not bad
<andlabs>
but when you only have six games to choose from, including Flicky feels like cheating
<andlabs>
the Game Toshokan cartridge only has 128KB of RAM
<andlabs>
on board
<andlabs>
so the games are limited in size by that
<andlabs>
let me check the uhhh
<andlabs>
what the Radica 6-game thingy comes with
<andlabs>
because I'm sure it's 50% games I would not even consider including
<andlabs>
ah yes, altered beast
<andlabs>
I will never understand this game's endurance
<andlabs>
sorry, it's extremely dull
<fseidel>
same. it's painfully slow
<fseidel>
same with vectorman and chakan
<fseidel>
especially the latter
<andlabs>
I have yet to seriously play either
<andlabs>
I wouldn't be surprised if Chakan is slow