<torindel>
hramrach: if you dont want that warnings just add rootfstype=ext4 to kernel cmdline
<specing>
and tune2fs -O ^has_journal partition
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* torindel
doh's
<torindel>
tslib tools doesnt love me with screen configured to lcd+hdmi (ts_calibrate/ts_test gives black screen while they work on lcd only)
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<TestModule>
torindel what warnings?
<torindel>
TestModule: just ts tools go highwire get some glibc warnings on list and segfault after ctl+c, while same binary with hdmi turned off works
<torindel>
TestModule: oh and leave your console in crappy state after segfault ^^
<TestModule>
lololol
<torindel>
crappy fb support in there ^^
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<torindel>
TestModule: and it does that only in disp_mode=4 (same thing on lcd and hdmi), just flashed disp_mode=2 (2 separate fb)
<TestModule>
I recall giving up on deb with just FB early on.
<torindel>
TestModule: well that calibrate thing for tslib is fb only
<TestModule>
yeh
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<GeorgeIoak>
question on audio configuration for linaro alip
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<GeorgeIoak>
different question the. in AlsaMixer I see LineL and LineR but I can't change the volume??
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<swivelgames>
Hey guys... I'm trying to flash my A13 board's NAND. Using sunxi tools. Anyone here able to coach me a bit?
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<swivelgames>
Hey guys. I was about to compile `awutils` (`awflash`) to allow me to flash my A13 board's NAND with a new image. However, I don't know what partition to flash it to. Can anybody help me out here?
<buZz>
first i heard there where 3 was when you said it lastnight
<buZz>
which is yours hramrach ?
<rellla>
and there should be some info, that the cubie IS a10, and that the difference between e.g. mele isn't that big. because the ml etc. is "flooded" by cubieboarders in a way. it think, it's not clear for most people, what cubie has to do with linux-sunxi..
<rellla>
s/cubieboarders/new cubieboarders/
<ibot>
rellla meant: and there should be some info, that the cubie IS a10, and that the difference between e.g. mele isn't that big. because the ml etc. is "flooded" by new cubieboarders in a way. it think, it's not clear for most people, what cubie has to do with linux-sunxi...
<buZz>
yeah thats quite common, i tried to make my tutorial not really cubie specific and i think i didnt add any specific steps
<hramrach>
buZz: BuildingOnDebina
<hramrach>
* BuildingOnDebian
<buZz>
hmm yes nice one hramrach
<hramrach>
the problem is that even with two tutorials already people make a third one
<hramrach>
no discoverability
<buZz>
yes we need better index pages
<rellla>
hramrach: did you build with emdebian - armhf on wheezy?
<rellla>
hramrach: sorry, saw the hint about missing armhf-compilers in sid ;)
<buZz>
hehe
<buZz>
seems like _every_ tutorial tries to explain you how to install a cross compiler ;)
<hramrach>
because finding a cross-compiler is non-trivial
<hramrach>
and you never know it actually compiles until you try
<buZz>
yeah but clearly we just need one description for it :P
<buZz>
* Install a [[Cross Compiler]]
<buZz>
and just keep all the info on that page
<hramrach>
the answer is distro-specific
<hramrach>
emdebian/linaro/...
<rellla>
you search for your distro on [[Cross Compiler]] - would be a good way
<buZz>
yeah, that way we keep information more centralized
<rellla>
the same with the other parts - kernel, uboot ...
<buZz>
exactly
<hramrach>
the problem with that is that when you want to build a rootfs you need top open half-dozen pages and search for your distro-specific info on each
<buZz>
just 6? i would be happy :)
<hramrach>
crosscompiler, u-boot, kernel, rootfs, putting rootfs to media
<rellla>
but no duplicates this way.
<hramrach>
and then something for setting up the system once installed
<buZz>
i told someone yesterday but not sure, can you use debootstrap to make ubuntu rootfs aswell?
<hramrach>
you can
<rellla>
maybe ONE distro-specific site linking to anchors in the parts-specific page is useful
<hramrach>
why would you not?
<rellla>
as a starting point
<buZz>
no idea, never did it
<hramrach>
torindel: with removing the journal the kernel cannot mount the partition and reboots
<hramrach>
but does not lock up ;-)
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<hramrach>
there is simething wrong with the nand driver/nand :s
<hramrach>
you fsck the filesystem, it says it has repaired it, and on next fsck you get same error
<hramrach>
same with tune2fs
<hramrach>
if you don't run it twice the feature is not added/removed
<hramrach>
I am not surprised booting from nand does not work then
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<torindel>
hramrach: for me it doesnt lockup and i use ext4 with journaling
<torindel>
as for removing journal you have to do it on unmounted partition
<torindel>
hramrach: also keep in mind to not touch nanda from linux
<hramrach>
torindel: that's what I do
<torindel>
as it usually is badly sized
<torindel>
and fucksorzup next partition
<torindel>
while doing so
<hramrach>
but either fsck or tune2fs somehow does not fully work
<torindel>
(i.e. linux report its size as 128MB after mounting and partition size is 16MB)
<hramrach>
see the paste where it reports the same error after supposedly fixing it
<hramrach>
I have no next partiion
<hramrach>
so if it fuxorzap the journal is off the end of the nand
<torindel>
hramrach: you have and thats your ext4 xd
<torindel>
read again "nanda vfat is usually badly sized"
<hramrach>
oh, nanda
<torindel>
brb
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<hramrach>
it says nanda is 16mb when mounted
<hramrach>
so I guess it's ok
<hramrach>
if the pertiions overlepped by 100MB I would have way more problems
<specing>
If you are using internal NAND then consider yaffs2
<hramrach>
does yaffs2 make the kernel magically boot?
<hramrach>
because wear is not really a problem when I can't boot the system
<specing>
Indeed :D
<specing>
Well Im currently using ext2 on sdcards
* torindel
ususes ext4 on nand like androids do
<torindel>
handt had single problem yet
<torindel>
wiith ext4
<specing>
Journalling is *very* bad for flash
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<hramrach>
journaling is *very* bad for media
<hramrach>
but if the flash has wera levelling it's not as bad
<hramrach>
plus if the journal blocks die you make a new partiion 100MB smaller, problem solved
<specing>
and lose 200 MB of space, great job
<hramrach>
you will eventually lose all
<hramrach>
the flash does not last forever
<hramrach>
and journal gives you relaiability
<specing>
the battery gives you reliability ;D
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<hramrach>
not really
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<specing>
yes really
<specing>
I was thinking about turning off journalling on my amd64 laptop with a real HDD
<specing>
I rarely if ever reboot and it had no crashes in its history
<hramrach>
I never log off
<hramrach>
I crash
<hramrach>
and that crashing part - you are just lucky
<hramrach>
Linux is bloatware and every bit can have a bug that takes the whole thing down
<specing>
Actually Im running 3.6.11 with the invasive AUFS patchset and have no problems whatsoever
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<hramrach>
like thre were block layer bugs which would cause panic when an USB hdd would go away without first causing a disconnect event
<hramrach>
and assorted grahics bugs
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<hramrach>
and whatnot
<buZz>
i dont see that as bloat, but mostly an effect of doing a project like this with 49837598437 developers
<hramrach>
90% drivers could be usrspace without loss of performance
<hramrach>
and even with minor loss of performance you could argue kicking the driver out makes developmnet and optimization easier leading to better performance in the long run
<specing>
hramrach: Ever heard of MINIX? It does this and it has been at the same stage of development for the past 20 years
<buZz>
hramrach: well, fork kernel and get to it then :P
<specing>
wonder why...
<hramrach>
nobody working on it
<specing>
GUESS WHY!
<hramrach>
it has nothing to offer if you install it right now
<specing>
Neither did Linux 20 years ago
<hramrach>
it did
<specing>
no it didn't
<hramrach>
was the only free unix back then
<specing>
false
<buZz>
no it wasnt
<hramrach>
BSD was not really ready
<buZz>
there were several projects like this
<buZz>
linux wasnt ready either
<hramrach>
some lawyer work
<buZz>
none of them were 'ready'
<hramrach>
then he was the first to deliver results
<buZz>
they had to be matured
<hramrach>
or happened to be best known at the time
<buZz>
_all these developers_ picked linux to pour their souls in
<hramrach>
one had to be it
<buZz>
it has never been a one person job
<hramrach>
when there are N project doeing the same thing one has to come first at some point
<hramrach>
so if you say that there were N-1 projects like Linux nobody knows about by now
<hramrach>
they were just slower
<hramrach>
some people say thta Linus is not that much of a coder as he is project manager
<hramrach>
that might be the reason
<specing>
Actually Linux succedded mostly because of two reasons:
<specing>
1) It had a very well defined project path and a performance-oriented design
<specing>
2) It was GPL'd meaning contributions to it would not get stolen by some money-eating corporation
<specing>
(as has happened with BSD)
<specing>
both BSDs and MINIX are covered by the BSD license
<hramrach>
also a factor is that project that delivers half a solution a year eiarlier gets contributors and fame
<specing>
And I would think thrice before contributing to such projects
<hramrach>
a project that delivers whole solution a year later is dead
<hramrach>
and you ahve to live with half a solution
<specing>
Actually even GPL has a problem
<specing>
Affero GPL is the best in my opinion
<hramrach>
Affero GPL is rather asinine license
<hramrach>
it covers so much that software licensed under those terms is nearly unusable
<specing>
False
<specing>
affero is GPL + if you use it on a server you have to release the source + modifications
<hramrach>
and it turns out GPL does not force corporations not stealing the cose
<hramrach>
see all these ARM driver blobs
<specing>
Indeed it doesen't
<hramrach>
there is aplways a way
<specing>
but it helps lawyers in doing so
<hramrach>
specing: it also covers patents. or was theat gplv3?
<specing>
Idk
<hramrach>
anyway, it's not going to work
<hramrach>
anyone can claim they ahve patented anything and in general very few can afford to challenge such claim
<specing>
Yes, but GPL gives you the option to fight back, BSD doesen't
<hramrach>
so in general you are screwed
<hramrach>
neither does
<specing>
Then I suggest you go and read them
<specing>
and see for yourself
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<hramrach>
GPL makes it possible to demand from a corporation that uses your code to release their changes
<hramrach>
which the corporation avoids by splitting the code and releaseing only useless part which links to the GPL code
<specing>
they are still violating it then
<hramrach>
once Linksys was burned by GPL so they are careful now
<hramrach>
no, technically they aren't
<hramrach>
like kerenl interface to userspace blob
<hramrach>
it's all fine legally
<hramrach>
but neither BDS nor GPL protects you from somebody claiming they have petented what you wrote
<hramrach>
so it's all mot then
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<specing>
hramrach: We don't seem to be having the software patent hell here in Europe ;)
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<hramrach>
specing: you are not following what's going on then.
<hramrach>
the software patents are technically illegal in EU. that does not stop EPO from granting them and eg. MPEG group to collecting patent fees
<hramrach>
and there is puch t olegalize them after the fact
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<hramrach>
specing: if you don't have patent hell then buy a cpi and the mpeg decoding license for it and go to mpeg group and demand money back for the decoding lic since in EU there are no sw patents :>
<hramrach>
*rpi
<specing>
I won't buy a RPI because its crapware
<specing>
and while we have piratenpartei members in the EU parliament I doubt such a law will be passed
<hramrach>
it's irrelevalnt what the law says since in practice sw patents are granted and enforced
<specing>
Also the mpeg stuff will be reverse-engineered anyway
<hramrach>
it cannot be for rpi
<specing>
Why not?
<hramrach>
not without hardware hacks
<hramrach>
it's like PS3 was
<hramrach>
you are running a 'guest os'
<specing>
< specing> I won't buy a RPI because its crapware
<specing>
there you go
<hramrach>
plus reverse-engineering does not help you
<hramrach>
the patent license is still required
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<Turl>
going back to OS, go and use Debian GNU/Hurd
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<rm>
Hurd is not ported to ARM afaik
<rm>
heh, whoever does it, should name the port "Harm"
<rm>
short from "Hurd ARM" :)
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<buZz>
rm: i liked the term 'OpenBS DARM' aswell
<buZz>
darm = dutch/german for intestine
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<adibek>
Hi every one i serching for solution to run linux on MK802+ with a10s procesor .
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<adibek>
I search network for linux image to run on A13 like A10s but no sucess , Is there any one who boot linux on MK802 clone ?
<WarheadsSE>
If you get an operational SPL/uboot, the linux-sun5i-staging should work
<rm>
three*
<rm>
will be a surprise if they all turn out to be A10s :)
<WarheadsSE>
but. I don't supply & enable the mali drivers (thus x11) by default
<rm>
afaik it kind of doesn't
<rm>
ah, "staging"
<rm>
mkay
<WarheadsSE>
yeah, its built from the stage/sunxi-3.0 branch instead of the sunxi-3.0 branch
<adibek>
i try the latest u-boot , but without serial console is imposible to build
<adibek>
i will build the serial this week and test some more , but meybe some one did the worknig image for sdcard
<WarheadsSE>
seek phelbore in #archlinux-arm .. he had one until it had a capacitor failure and melted the case.
<adibek>
Thx , there are really small diferences betwen a10, a10s, a13 and A10s is some like A10 and almost like A13 :)
<buZz>
Turl: seems disabling interactive governor fixed it, ty :D
<Turl>
:)
<jochensp>
is there a way to extract the Android kernel and boot a Debian rootfs on top?
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<buZz>
jochensp: android kernels arent properly set up to boot linux
<buZz>
slight differences but you will need to recompile them usually
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<jochensp>
ok, thanks, was hoping to debug my sound problems that way
<buZz>
which sound problems, on what platform?
<jochensp>
mini xplus overdriven sound on analog output
<jochensp>
sound is ok when I set volume to 50%, distorted above
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<jochensp>
buZz: I've tried different images from the net, compiled from git, used the fex files from the device, all without luck, do you have any suggestion?
<jochensp>
wanted to try the Android kernel, because sound is working on that one
<buZz>
i doubt you could fix that with kernel or fex
<buZz>
seems the alsa driver just outputs too high a volume
<buZz>
usually A10 devices have _two_ alsa devices
<buZz>
one for analog, one for hdmi
<buZz>
and doesnt autoselect the proper one in hardware
<jochensp>
how can I switch it?
<buZz>
depends on software
<buZz>
mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1.0 bla.mp4
<buZz>
for mplayer
<jochensp>
I don't have a hdmi device over here to test, will try tomorrow
<jochensp>
any other idea?
<buZz>
ehr, keep volume at 50% sounds pretty wise? :D
<jochensp>
hehe, then it's not loud enough ;)
<WarheadsSE>
Yeah, just set master to 50% and adjust as necessary
<WarheadsSE>
get an amp.
<jochensp>
I have an amp behind it, but I need to reset the volume every time when I attach something else
<jochensp>
so it would be great if we could make it work as in Android
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<buZz>
where is the phoenixcard tool?
<buZz>
only link i can find gives a 509 for too much traffic >_<
<buZz>
ah wait, found one
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<buZz>
pfff
<buZz>
anyone got phoenixcard working in wine? :D
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<buZz>
hmm meh, of course phoenixcard cant find the SD reader
<jochensp>
buZz: you said the maybe the hardware is unmatched, what did you mean exactly?
<buZz>
well, that the amplifier on the circuit is not matched to the output of the chip
<jochensp>
but then it should give normal sound level on 50%, or?
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<techn_>
jochensp: I have same problem.. analog audio is distorded
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<jochensp>
techn_: mini xplus as well?
<techn_>
jochensp: plain mini-x
<jochensp>
in5eresting
<jochensp>
*interesting
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<jochensp>
techn_: did you using the android kernel?
<jochensp>
..with a Linux rootf?
<techn_>
linux
<techn_>
havent tried android
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<adibek>
Hi I try linaro-alip-armhf-t4.img and the latest u-boot with sun5i form A13 support , but there is no efect on MK802+ clone cs102 aka AK-212 :( Still no linux starting .
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<jochensp>
techn_: did you ask at miniand forums already?
<techn_>
jochensp: no
<jochensp>
are you interested in getting it to work as well, would it rather be a nice to have?
<techn_>
jochensp: I'm currently debugging other things
<jochensp>
ah, I see
<techn_>
but sure.. it should be fixed
<techn_>
jochensp: one thing you could try is to upgrade to latest sunxi alsa stuff
* br-
can search the complete history of his rss feeds going back to when he started using google reader, for the first time without having those searches logged
<br->
now to fix the 1gb memory leak in the index.. :)
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<ln2>
You guys can boot the mk802 clone to linux?
<ln2>
The non A10 clone?
<Turl>
which one? MK802 doesn't mean much these days :p
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<ln2>
Turl: I don't have my board with me right now let me find the CPU model real quick. =)
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<ln2>
Turl: The CPU on my MK802 is a Telechips tcc8925.