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<anunnaki> hey if one is going to cross compile a kernel for arm, what would be the step after patching the kernel? i patched linux 2.6.20 and tried running my compiler on the the entire directory but gave me a message it couldnt because its a directory
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<Gumboot> anunnaki: You tried to do what, exactly?
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<anunnaki> all i did so far was applied the patches to it. left the patched files in the directory with it. usually if i were using it for my own machine i would link it to /usr/src/linux but since its for another device im wondering what do i do now
<Gumboot> Normally you cd into that directory and type `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- uImage` or similar.
<Gumboot> Except without the 'git checkout', and possibly a different defconfig.
<anunnaki> ahh ok didnt think it was that simple
<Gumboot> Well you have to get a cross-compiler set up, first.
<Gumboot> I think that's the prefix for the Ubuntu one, anyway.
<Gumboot> Where'd you get your kernel?
<anunnaki> i have my compiler set up and tested it
<anunnaki> let me check
<Gumboot> Those instructions I linked; I think they forgot the 'cd', by the way.
<anunnaki> i think it was kernel.org
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<Gumboot> And what are the patches for?
<Gumboot> You'll need to run some kind of defconfig, or you'll have to manually configure it with menuconfig or something (the latter can be tedious).
<anunnaki> a bunch of different stuff. i have a config file for it
<Gumboot> OK. If you've installed your config then fine.
<anunnaki> a dev gave me the links to all the stuff and basically said knock yourself out. i guess its what needs to go into my device
<Gumboot> Although you usually end up running make oldconfig to clean it up.
<anunnaki> i didnt change the config file yet
<Gumboot> What's your device?
<anunnaki> i just have it in the directory
<anunnaki> motorola q with arm920T
<Gumboot> Bah! Pre-ARMv7.
<anunnaki> yea its armv4
<anunnaki> its PXA27x which i noticed the patches and config is for the PXA27x
<anunnaki> am i able to delete the .patch files or are they needed for compiling
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<Gumboot> Once you've applied them they're junk.
<Gumboot> But you can use them with -R to un-patch them.
<anunnaki> good i want to tidy it up :)
<Gumboot> Saves you deleting the tree and starting again if you decide one of them was a bad idea.
<anunnaki> id just redownload them if somethign didnt work.
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<anunnaki> but the config file was named dot-config. so what do i name it to now?
<Gumboot> .config
<Gumboot> Then I think you need to do `make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- oldconfig` to make sure it's fit for use.
<Gumboot> It might ask you some questions.
<anunnaki> ok because i was confused by the fist line inside the file "automatically genereated make config: dont edit" so i figured it was a "make" file
<Gumboot> It's a configuration for the makefiles, I guess.
<Gumboot> It might not be. It's full of a bunch of lines "XYZ_FOO=y", right?
<anunnaki> it came with the patches i think
<anunnaki> yes
<Gumboot> Then rename it to .config and leave it in the root of the kernel source tree.
<anunnaki> config_arm=y
<Gumboot> That's an important one.
<anunnaki> if only there was a comment that said. "#rename this to .config and place in / :)" i wouldve had this done a week ago
<Gumboot> You don't know that, yet.
<Gumboot> Chances are there'll be a build error.
<anunnaki> oh well ill just try and try again
<anunnaki> way too many patches to type to delete ill jus tleave em
<Gumboot> You might need them again, anyway.
<Gumboot> If things go really badly wrong it's sometimes easier to delete everything and start from scratch.
<anunnaki> well i just ran make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=armv4=softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc-"
<anunnaki> returned with "Makefile:1442: *** mixed implicit and normal rules. Stop.
<anunnaki> idk if thats bad or not hah
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<anunnaki> this guide im reading shows an example where they ran the armv4-softfloa.. coommmand -Wall .c -o and the new name of the file.
<Gumboot> anunnaki: What OS are you running on?
<Gumboot> Complaints about makefile rules normally show up if you're using a non-GNU make, which is rare under Linux.
<Gumboot> But standard everywhere else.
<anunnaki> oh i didnt put the path to it
<anunnaki> hmm that didnt work.. i have different paths to armv4-unknown and armv4-softfloat in /usr/ and /usr/bin
<anunnaki> it must be the wrong path.. i bet its not working b/c i have the wrong path in the kernels Makefile for "CROSS_COMPILE ?= /usr/bin/armv4-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-"
<Gumboot> You can set your own CROSS_COMPILE=whatever on the command line.
<Gumboot> Probably don't need the whole path.
<Gumboot> What's your compiler called?
<Gumboot> somethingsomethingsomething-gcc, right?
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<Gumboot> Well, I'm going to bed, anyway. But if that were the name of your compiler, then `make CROSS_COMPILE=somethingsomethingsomething-` (including the final '-') would be what you'd need on the command line.
<Gumboot> What you have above (which I should have noticed before) is CROSS_COMPILE=armv4=softfloat..., which has two '=' in it. That can't be healthy.
<anunnaki> gumboot its crossdev toolchain
<anunnaki> and that was a typo i did here not in terminal
<Gumboot> damn.
<Gumboot> What's the filename of the cross-compiling gcc?
<anunnaki> armv4-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc
<anunnaki> although /usr shows four differetn
<anunnaki> arm-unknown-linux-gnu, arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi, armv4-softfloat-linux-gnueabi, armv4-unknown-linux-gnueabi
<Gumboot> make --version ?
<anunnaki> i ahd problems following the guides to get arm installed till someone told me armv4-softfloat command and then it i was able to install that one
<anunnaki> are you asking the version? or suggesting a command
<anunnaki> version of armv4-softfloat..etc is 4.6.3
<anunnaki> btw this isnt that important to me just my learning experience project in my attempt to get linux on moto Q. figured ill get to learn qemu/kvm and cross-compiling and patching all in one project :)
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<anunnaki> Gumboot, i see you also hang in Cubieboard. im waiting for them to come back in stock. :) are you familiar with the msp430 board?
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<cheng> what's the problem with msp430?
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<anunnaki> nothing. just seeing if he knew about it.. i want to get one to use with a mk802 eventually down the road
<anunnaki> what do you have highlights for msp430 and pipe in whenever it goes off?
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<rm> "the problem" with msp430 is that it doesn't have as many "shields" as Arduino does
<rm> does it even have any
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<rm> to make a custom countdown timer
<rm> for $6.9 a 16x2 LCD + 6 buttons, in a package that just snaps-on to the Arduino, no soldering needed
<anunnaki> i just want to use it to add a toggle switch /button
<rm> this would be much more laborious if I had only the MSP430
<anunnaki> doesnt msp430 have an Arduino chip on it?
<rm> no
<rm> there is no "Arduino chip"
<rm> Arduino uses Atmel microcontrollers, on the other hand MSP430 is afaik indeed the chip name
<rm> but the point is
<anunnaki> oh i thought i this guy on youtube said there was arduino on it or had somethign to put one on it
<anunnaki> oh i thought the board in general was called taht
<rm> board in general is called that
<anunnaki> good thing this isnt #43oh or i would get yelled at haha
<rm> but do you realize the difference between "board" and "chip"
<anunnaki> yeah.
<anunnaki> board is what a chip goes on
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<anunnaki> oh im not looking for anything impressive jsut as long as it works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLH0ISh1PSQ&list=UUSBkylhYGmiswlocVLZl4JQ&index=9
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<sky770> I was just curious to know about this: mk802IIIs vs mk808B (and still mk802IIIs is expensive in comparison to 808B) ?
<sky770> ermm..anyone ^ ?
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<anunnaki> sky770, does 808B have bt
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<buZz> ooooooeeee
* buZz reads an libv email :D
<libv> ?
<sky770> fire the link buzz :D
<libv> sky770: linux-sunxi ml
<libv> about our new binary driver repo
* sky770 : hates to open mail client :|
<sky770> :D
<sky770> moreover I need to figure out my email address used for this ml :(
<buZz> libv: ah so this is not about lima code? :(
<sky770> ^ :D poor buzz
<libv> buZz: no, it is however about code that lima depends on to do REing
<libv> well, mostly about me fixing issues i run into
<buZz> ok :)
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* buZz was wondering if you were going to post new code after the fosdem event
* sky770 understands the value of patience..buzz go fig. :D
<libv> well, i have been meaning to prove that porting an EGL/GLES app to use X is trivial
<libv> and one thing led to the other
<buZz> sky770: its about 5.6, right?
<buZz> (the value of patience)
<sky770> :|
<libv> only a minute amount of time was spent on this porting
<buZz> ;)
<buZz> libv: ah ok
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<buZz> libv: in time, will lima support OpenGL beside OpenGL-ES?
<mnemoc> buZz: via mesa
<libv> to the extent that the hw supports it and mesa will emulate things
<buZz> but, does mesa already do this?
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<libv> i have no idea, and i also have no intention to implement any of that myself
<mnemoc> lima knows mali, mesa knows gl. perfect couple :)
* mnemoc wonders if gallium might get in their way
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<Turl> mripard: ping
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<fossxplorer> Hey
<sky770> :)
<fossxplorer> Are you planning to buy GK802?
<mnemoc> techn_: where did you get i-oink.de's source drop git history? the .git I see is repo-ised, and .repo is missing
<sky770> yep between mk809II and gk802 ..I dunno am leaning towards the mk809II a bit more*
<mnemoc> fossxplorer: some people here has gk802/hi802 devices already
<sky770> vivante's in a buggy state ..speaking as of today
<fossxplorer> i see
<sky770> oh n btw xbmc does have the hw decoding on android going for the mali
<sky770> don't asking abt nux :D
<fossxplorer> what does mk809II got that's not in mk808B?
<jochensp> mnemoc: it's in the repo folder (without the dot)
<mnemoc> jochensp: oh
<sky770> hmm....I'll pull you up a link fossxplorer
<fossxplorer> sky770, oh does it? That's good for one of my use cases then
<fossxplorer> cool
<sky770> ^ now this is not in respect to gk809II but yeah still there's a male* hdmi connector on it so.. :|
<sky770> mk809* mybad :D
<sky770> n MTK's wifi is not there in mk802IIIs and mk809II its the ralink 8188CUS (that's the realtek 8188)
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<libv> the mali-400 page could use a lot of work
<libv> what about a Binary_Drivers page, where we also could describe cedarX
<libv> heh, there is even less info about cedarx
<libv> and this chmod 777 shit is really rather unprofessional.
<mnemoc> +1
<Turl> there's cubieboard stock in miniand, if anyone here was waiting for it
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<fossxplorer> sky770, yeah, but you can find MK808B with rockchip wifi to avoid MTK
<fossxplorer> sky770, but i'm confused over what's MK809II vs MK808B. They might be the same?
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* sky770 brb
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* sky770 takes a deeeeep breath.....goddamn DX's payment gateway 404's me but payment was confirmed
<sky770> :D
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<sky770> yo fossxplorer
<sky770> srry was in a fix..DX crap
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<mnemoc> anyone remembers who brought whitelogger here?
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<rz2k> mnemoc:
<rz2k> need him to leave?
<mnemoc> rz2k: quite the oposite, I want it at #linux-sunxi :p
<rz2k> ping whitequark
<rz2k> whitequark!whitequark@fehu.whitequark.org
<rz2k> this guy
<mnemoc> rz2k: thanks :)
<rz2k> yw
<sky770> :D
<sky770> tab rk3188 off the shelf up for grabs ...before feb18 :( behind schedule? :(
<sky770> n that's why I saved some $$ :D ordered myself a mk809II
<sky770> :|
<sky770> or cubieboard with an a21/2gig schematics *big green grin*
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<mnemoc> FYI: #linux-sunxi is now publicly logged, and so open for business ;-)
<jochensp> mnemoc: so should the sunxi talks going on over there now?
<rellla> mnemoc: so has any sunxi-discussion moved already?
<mnemoc> rellla: libv is talking with Turl :)
<rellla> private talk ;)
<mnemoc> nah, about mali400 and the wiki
<Turl> mnemoc: maybe you can put a note on /topic
<mnemoc> yes? so we make it official?
<rellla> libv and Turl smells like "nothing for noobs" ;)
<mnemoc> rellla: yet :)
<libv> complaining about the wiki having been filled up with pointless wikipedia content
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<libv> instead of useful relevant things
<sky770> mnemoc :D +1 for #linux-sunxi
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<rellla> whats this command to check a user's last visit?
<mnemoc> !seen rellla
<mnemoc> ~seen rellla
<ibot> rellla is currently on #cubieboard #arm-netbook. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 29s, last said: 'whats this command to check a user's last visit?'.
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<rellla> ~seen rocker
<ibot> rocker <~rocker@114.143.165.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #uclibc, 591d 3h 13m 47s ago, saying: 'can anyone help me... what is this?'.
<xxiao> ~seen ibot
<ibot> ibot is currently on #gsoc (15d 23h 14m 40s) #bzflag (15d 23h 14m 40s) #gooseproject (15d 23h 14m 40s) ##bspress (15d 23h 14m 40s) #brlcad (15d 23h 14m 40s) #cubieboard (15d 23h 14m 40s) #handhelds (15d 23h 14m 40s) #utah (15d 23h 14m 40s) #oe (15d 23h 14m 40s) #zaurus (15d 23h 14m 40s) #gllug (15d 23h 14m 40s) #pillbox (15d 23h 14m 40s) #arm-netbook (15d ...
<rellla> wiki-user Rocker here?
<mnemoc> rellla: you should be able to send him an email via the wiki
<rellla> mnemoc: ah, thanks
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* WarheadsSE now has a cubieboard & hackberry in his posession
<mnemoc> donated I hope
<WarheadsSE> I think so?
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<WarheadsSE> xenoxaos takes point on all that.
<xenoxaos> yes
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<mnemoc> xenoxaos: are you related to miniand?
<xenoxaos> thats where i got them
<xenoxaos> other than that...no
<mnemoc> xenoxaos: :)
<mnemoc> i was just wondering if I should stop ranting about their null cooperation :p
<xenoxaos> :P
<mnemoc> but it seems I can continue
<xenoxaos> mick sent us a pair of each board gratis
<mnemoc> ah, nice
<mnemoc> +1 for miniand
<xenoxaos> yup
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<hramrach> hello
<hramrach> any progress on finding a working vcs?
<mnemoc> ?
<hramrach> last thing I saw here was some raging about git like 2 days ago
<WarheadsSE> because they don't know how to use it:?
<hramrach> git has warts
<sky770> erm..is there a rockchip specific channel?
<mnemoc> ranting was only regarding git submodules
<sky770> here on freenode? :|
<hramrach> basically git is plumbing. it is so shiny and smooth plumbing that nobody bothers to create porcelain that fits on it
<hramrach> but then you get the wtf moment when you realize that no amount of plumbing is going to replace a bathtub and there is non in the git bathroom ;-)
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<Turl> hramrach: git has --porcelain
<Turl> which ironically it's what you use when you need git for plumbing :P
<mnemoc> why on earth every .apk/.odex on my stock galaxy nexus has a different sha1 than expected??!
<mnemoc> I've pushed 17 pairs already
<Turl> mnemoc: why don't you give up and just upgrade via fastboot? :)
<hramrach> the question is what uses that --porcelain
<hramrach> never seen tutorial using the higk-level tools
* mnemoc has scripts using git status --porcelain....
<hramrach> s/higk/high
<mnemoc> Turl: don't want to lose what I have there
<Turl> mnemoc: as long as you don't issue a fastboot wipe and do not touch the userdata partition you should be fine
<mnemoc> uhm
<mnemoc> sure sure?
<Turl> in other words, do not use the google supplied scripts :p
<Turl> yeah pretty sure
<hramrach> you could script around the warts but git only comes with the warts, not the scripts that hide them
<Turl> do a backup if you want to be extra sure
<Turl> RaYmAn: ^ can you confirm or deny? :p
<mnemoc> I'm on /system/app/F* already
<mnemoc> maybe should just push them all
<Turl> fastbooting system, boot, radio and bootloader should be all you need
<Turl> mnemoc: I bet once you finish all apps, libs md5 will mismatch
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<sky770> ^this is on a mk809II mali 400MP OC'ed to 433mhz, 1.5ghz stable
<sky770> offcourse an rk3066 under the hood
<sky770> err 1.6* Ghz
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<mnemoc> Turl: ok. you win
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<mnemoc> zumbi: around?
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<rm> wheee
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<rm> wow
<rm> and it uses separate CPU-boards
<mnemoc> bfree: we were just talking about you at #linux-sunxi :p
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<bfree> I noticed ;)
<mnemoc> *g*
<Turl> rm: EOMA? :p
<mnemoc> there was someone here some weeks ago wanting to make an eoma-based smart keyboard like that
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<sky770> just wrote my 2cents :p
<rm> цудд
<sky770> yesterday only I came to know about this..on indiegogo
<rm> well *
<sky770> though onebir was fast enough to ping cnxsoft :D
<rm> as you can see in the video, it is not EOMA
<sky770> it is kind of
<mnemoc> obviusly
<sky770> not per se the EOMA we wanted but yeah..the same kind* of*
<sky770> functionality
<rm> tbh even without the card, this would be cool enough
* mnemoc better shuts up
<sky770> if you see the bottom side's pic..they have made aq hatch kind of thingy
<rm> a dual core with VGA output, and the best thing is that the price is not overblown as usual
<sky770> aq == a*
<sky770> rm +1
* sky770 ok before noone puts it up here..I'll do that :D
<rm> not that this is truly practical, I just like the old-school concept
<sky770> "erm..nobody would want to sit infront of his 40″ TV while his/her hands on this thing
<sky770> But if wecan somehow mirror the content from this keyboard/mini pc combo onto our TV’s directly..that will be awesome!"
<sky770> If we have to maintain the distance..then I suppose an extended HDMI cable only will do the trick.
<rm> but keyboards tend to wear out and get dirty
<libv> i'd buy one if it had an a10 in there
<libv> because i see no reason to go through the motions myself in figuring out how to get working u-boot, kernel, graphics stack...
<sky770> hmm.. ^ :(
<hramrach> well, mali 400mp4 sounds cool
<rm> fwiw they got some sort of Ubuntu working on that SoC
<hramrach> and wans't thre somebody already hacking some rockchip hdmi sticks?
<rm> perhaps not too difficult to swap a root fs to one of your choosing
<sky770> nice feature of this onecoolship: "Battery – Build in 300mAh Li-battery to protect the android OS in case of power failure or outage"
<hramrach> maybe differnt chip, though
<rm> and yeah, same chip
<rm> sky770, pft
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<mnemoc> somehow the name of the guy sounds familiar. I think he is the person so came to talk about an eoma keyboard
<hramrach> so should be easy to run on this
<rm> missed that... sounds laughable and unnecessary
<sky770> rm ?
<mnemoc> rm: you mean the smart keyboard or eoma?
<rm> this > "Battery – Build in 300mAh Li-battery to protect the android OS in case of power failure or outage"
<sky770> yeah..lol :D its fine right there..
<mnemoc> rm: it's not bad to be able to relocate your computer without powering it down
<mnemoc> or carry it suspended
<sky770> considering this: that you have to use this infront of your monitor and cannot be used for...suppose infront of a 40" TV :D this is allrigh
<sky770> so majority of ppl who just want to use it as a makeshift PC will be allright with this
<sky770> mnemoc: +1 "suspended" functionality :D
<rm> batteries wear out
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<sky770> though..android doesn't need that :p
<rm> and it adds cost
<sky770> replaceable and are chargeable
<sky770> even then if batt(s) die..then you're better off with none :p
<mnemoc> it's probably just a common LiPo
<libv> i rather like that.
<libv> my devices usually go from one power-plug to the other
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* sky770 its my beer talking.. :|
<hramrach> now you need not power off this one
<libv> being able to take this device from the desk monitor to a big tv is a feature
<hramrach> but could be done in software
<mnemoc> battery is simpler
<sky770> libv: nobody will want to sit directly infront of a huge TV (considering >35" are) :p
<libv> a small battery lasting 10-15 minutes is nice for a device-in-keyboard
<mnemoc> and with 4GB of nand you don't want to hibernate or suspend to disk
<hramrach> yeah, linux is not geared towards that
<hramrach> and the flash memory would wear out with ram snapshots
<mnemoc> battery is simpler :)
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<libv> sky770: as a driver developer i would be rather happy being able to switch monitors without having to have them all in one place and without having to restart the machine from scratch
<hramrach> you can put it at a distance with long cable
<sky770> 100 bucks for 16gb
<sky770> :/
<mnemoc> the 16GB thing is a card
<libv> if rk3066 support becomes as good or better than sunxi, i might consider this hw
<sky770> ^ +1 +1 :D <3
<libv> but i will not be caught doing legwork on yet another new SoC
<libv> that's a ratrace i will not participate in
* sky770 would prefer if both of the SoC rule the market..
<sky770> SoC(s)*
<mnemoc> libv: it uses a so-dimm cpu module, they might do an allwinner-based one as well :)
<sky770> yeah.. *sigh* that's true
<libv> mnemoc: yeah, i saw that
<sky770> mnemoc: you checked out the pic?
<libv> if it had an allwinner a10, i would've bought it
<sky770> oh..
<mnemoc> sky770: only read the perks descriptions
<sky770> I like its keyboard though..its fine...brushed allu finish :|
<sky770> um?
<hramrach> it is nice thing
<libv> why is there no touchpad integrated in this keyboard?
<hramrach> but what would I do with it?
<hramrach> I already have an ARM racing-snail speed computer
<sky770> ^ lol
<mnemoc> the nick of the person how came to talk about eoma smart keyboards was Welsh
<hramrach> libv: supposedly there is
<hramrach> but I don't see it on the photos
<sky770> the bottom right corner
<libv> i wipped it out on the train on the ride over as well
<libv> it's about the size of an A4
<hramrach> that's very little touchapd then
<mnemoc> libv: there is one from thinkpad, very nice construction
<sky770> yep
<libv> mnemoc: ah, but i am not a trackpoint fan :)
<hramrach> they have touchpad version too
<libv> otherwise yes, that is nice
<hramrach> but currently I am searching for keyboard without numeric block
<hramrach> takes up less space
<hramrach> so far only found some gamer keyboards
<mnemoc> harrow: search for the happy keyboard
<hramrach> they leave out the numeric block to save on switches in cheap models but still quite expensive
<libv> now A10, with VGA, built into an A4 sized device that is about 2CMs high, with full keyboard and a touchpad. That is the perfect machine for demoing lima :)
<sky770> can anyone explain to me what are they trying to do in this: http://www.focuswill.com/html_info/AirPas-19.html
<sky770> ?
<libv> 15minute battery is also great, as then the whole thing can be set up before the talk, and you just walk over and plug it in
<sky770> happy hacking keyboard? :D
<mnemoc> numpad-less keyboard with real keys
<hramrach> sounds nice but will be probably more expensive than the Chinese gaming keyboards
<sky770> my laptop has it :p
<mnemoc> the closest to real keys on a laptop are the old thinkpads
<mnemoc> sad they killed the last (x220) ... x230 comes with junk keyboard
<sky770> umm..can I say that the coolship stole the EOMA arch.?
<L84Supper> it wouldn't take much to fit an a10 board inside a keyboard
<sky770> now they'll be making money off it...I mean again we have the same thing going on in the market..same 'ol companies will crop up n then shit happens..
<L84Supper> sky770: EOMA is really nothing new, there have been several other failed attempts as well :)
<hramrach> $66 but w/o shippng :s
<mnemoc> hramrach: if you type a lot you'll notice the difference
<sky770> L84Supper: yeah..that's again true :|
<RITRedbeard> sounds like Kickstarter
<hramrach> plus missing the keys that are between tha main block and numeric block
<sky770> mnemoc: :D
<RITRedbeard> steal an idea that not many people know about, beg for money, PROFIT!!!!!!!
<sky770> hramrach: point me to the link for tht $66 source?
<mnemoc> I don't regret the >100E I paid for my das keyboard at all
<hramrach> 2 hops from wikipedia
<sky770> ergonomics.. :| (BAHAHA :D )
<mnemoc> these are based on the old school ibm keyboards
<sky770> ^
<mnemoc> they are about typing, not "ergonomics"
<sky770> I just saw that cury design of the keys like steps on the stairway
<sky770> cury == curvy*
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<sky770> if you look at em from the sides :|
<sky770> hramrach: aye..zzZZZZ wiki's too much now that ours is laready growing :p
<sky770> looks like I got to get my keyboard replaced..or better my fingers
<hramrach> zalman zm-k500 comes at that price and lower distributed worldwide but not so nice switches
<hramrach> still has the 'magic sysrq'
<shivansps> mmmm ubuntu touch for tablets released?
<hramrach> well, something or other Ubuntu for tablets
<sky770> dev preview is out I suppose..er ?
<sky770> :D
<shivansps> its an image, i was extecting the UI as a pakage so i could install it intro a A10 tablet :P
<hramrach> oh, happy hacking keyboard is using membrane, not even chinese switches
<sky770> yea..my bad din't refreshed the touch page* for ubuntu :D
<sky770> shivansps: #ubuntu-phone :D
<hramrach> hehe, the Japanese version happy hacking keyboard would be nice, many extra keys in reachable places
<hramrach> but uses the utterly expensive capacitive switches
<sky770> capacitive? lol
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<sky770> now..no offence but japanese ppl seem to be extra sensitive :D (just guessing)
<mnemoc> hramrach: if you want a good keyboard, you have to pay a price
<sky770> aye
<hramrach> yeah, ther eare capacitive key switches
<hramrach> no, the switches are good and simple. the cost is probably due to patent license
<Turl> rm: can you confirm that setting duplex to half (ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex half autoneg off) improves upload speed from the device?
<rm> never tried
<rm> upload speed is awesome for me w/o any tweaks
<rm> 90 mbit/sec
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<mnemoc> hramrach: mine has good old mechanical switches :) with natural clicky sound :p
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<sky770> #ubuntu-phone has gone mad :|
<hramrach> buckling spring?
<sky770> god damn peek'ers :/
<mnemoc> Turl: now su-bin fails to install :<
<sky770> yeah..clicky sounds..I had a samsung board quite long ago
<mnemoc> hramrach: they have this things http://computertimes.com/das_keyboard_files/image006.jpg
<RaYmAn> mnemoc: tried it yet? =P
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: tried what?
<RaYmAn> ubuntu phablet
<RaYmAn> there is an n7 preview release
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: nah. I prefer to stick with google provided android on my nexuses
<mnemoc> but just lost root on my galaxy nexus :<
<sky770> #ubuntu-on-air
<sky770> just don't head over to #ubuntu-phone (full of newbs)
<sky770> ...on air* for porting to other* devices other than nexusxx
<hramrach> I don't think I have ever seen a real keyboard with MX switches ;-)
<mnemoc> hramrach: i was very fear/doubtful about paying 120E+shipping for a keyboard.... but after two years using it, I'm glad I did
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<hramrach> keyboards are typical example of facepalmish hardware design
<hramrach> you either get ergonomic layout or quality switches
<mnemoc> :)
<hramrach> not to mention that only Japanese keyboards have the spaceber broken into multiple keys so you can use the space for something at least remotely useful
<hramrach> and only few of the Japanese keyboards still
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<jelly-home> too bad it's rk3066
<hramrach> that's not bad
<mnemoc> jelly-home: it's a so-dimm module
<hramrach> there is some rk-buntu
<Turl> mnemoc: 'fails to install' ?
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<mnemoc> Turl: the .zip, but found a "fixed" version that works on 4.2 fine
<mnemoc> so I'm rooted again
<sky770> hramrach ? rk-buntu?
<sky770> picuntu ?
<sky770> oh btw "airpas" is their another product (the company behind this keybaord+minipc combo thingy)
<sky770> and its quite interesting too
<sky770> gnight guys~ ^_^
* sky770 zzZZZZ..
<hramrach> yes, picubuntu
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<sky770> picuntu*
<sky770> :p
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<Turl> mnemoc: you could've just pushed the su binary and installed the app from the market :)
<mnemoc> Turl: good point. i'll do that next time
<jelly-home> so-dimm is, at least, a well known and cheap plug
<hramrach> yes, airpas is very good companion for the keyboard
<hramrach> makes it good to use with the 40"+ TVs
<mnemoc> Turl: weirdly supersu doesn't like superuser's su anymore
<Turl> supersu is proprietary :x
* mnemoc didn't know superuser was open source. I just asume everything around xda is closed and ego-bound
* mnemoc switching to superuser
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<hramrach> hehe, google glass
<hramrach> quite scifi and quite expensive
<hramrach> but already possible
<mnemoc> but US-only
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<hramrach> I wonder how hard would it be to make own glass server
<hramrach> well, the hardware exists so iether they start selling worldwide or you could get secondhand on e-bay or whereever, eventually
<hramrach> or a Chinese company makes 'good as original 4xcheaper totally not vialoting any patent' failing all else
<mnemoc> techn_: fixed already. or f in $(grep -l ^../ * | grep -v ^index); do read x < $f; ln -snfv $x $f; done
<techn_> then you can checkout branch to get codes
<mnemoc> s/or/for/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: techn_: fixed already. for f in $(grep -l ^../ * | grep -v ^index); do read x < $f; ln -snfv $x $f; done
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<Turl> mnemoc: at least the screen is decent :)
<xenoxaos> that screen is kinda sexy
<xenoxaos> 2560x1700
<mnemoc> indeed
<mnemoc> Turl: it's just that I wanted the same screen but with the exynos "octa"
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<RaYmAn> mnemoc: that'd be damn awesome, heh
<mnemoc> big expectations, big disappointment :|
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<zumbi> mnemoc: pong
<mnemoc> zumbi: hi :) wanted to ask if you want/can debian-ize the new sunxi-mali package/repo ... and push it to packages.linux-sunxi.org ?
<mnemoc> zumbi: also, we just opened for business the #linux-sunxi channel
<mnemoc> in the case you wanna join
<mnemoc> techn_: ping
<techn_> mnemoc: I was about go sleep :)
<mnemoc> techn_: good night :)
<techn_> good night :)
<zumbi> mnemoc: ack :)
<mnemoc> \o/
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<L84Supper> Ron Minnich posted a paper on the i915 tool if anyone is interested ^^
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<L84Supper> Fast User Interface or Death to Video BIOS or From Kernel to Firmware
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<focus_it> I know Rock is not very cooperative on all this.
<mnemoc> probably
<mnemoc> and it uses a so-dimm module, so theoretically can be "upgraded"
<focus_it> Hmm.. I want to PicUntu on it - http://ubuntu.g8.net/ in which case it can add to my long list of ARM gadget collection.
<focus_it> Their website http://www.focuswill.com/ is all Android related - no mention of general support for Linux. I hope they not shoot themselves in the foot with Android only religion.
<focus_it> focuswill - no relation to me :)))
<focus_it> Some of there coincidences are so funny. Display company On Tat, search for that, and you also get Mr. Fuk On Tat
<focus_it> Hong Kong resident
<focus_it> Android keyboard computer - they too raise funds through indiegogo - http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/coolship-an-android-desktop-computer-that-looks-like-a-keyboard
<mnemoc> free advertising and market analysis
<focus_it> mnemoc: indiegogo keep me up thinking - its just too easy compared to all other schemes out there
<focus_it> my aim is to built IoT devices - may be float it on indiegogo? realistically being ee and linux power user is probably not enough - need a lot more Linux
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<traeak> ugh google's stupid targeted ads are creepy
<specing> https://ddg.gg
<mnemoc> specing: whatever that is, times out from here