mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
<lkcl> hramrach: i looked at the exynos5. i know someone who can do the board. the issue will be ramping the clock speed down to keep within the thermal limit (about 3.5 watts)
<libv> which then makes the exynos5 pointless
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<doneill> "I don't always transfer files off my embedded system from the shell, but when I do I use busybox telnet and uuencode." Turns out that wifi adapter is on a USB bus which wasn't initialized because my script.bin has a base address which skips the embedded bus controller.
<doneill> er. script.bin specifies a base address which skips one of the usb controllers.
<RITRedbeard_> Bit off topic, anything similiar to the Gizmoboard but cheaper/smaller footprint?
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<vinifm> hi, the spi_sunxi can be compiled as module?
<vinifm> hi, the spi_sunxi can be compiled and used as module?
<vinifm> i get error when call spi_register_board_info()
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<L84Supper> a thermal limit of 3.5w for a type II or III cpu card is just an arbitrary number
<L84Supper> exynos5 would be fine at max speed
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<L84Supper> add a few watts for DDR3
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<L84Supper> RITRedbeard_: cheaper with smaller footprint, no
<L84Supper> RITRedbeard_: there are some less powerful x86 boards about that size for lower cost
<RITRedbeard_> You mean mini-itx
<RITRedbeard_> ?
<L84Supper> smaller
<RITRedbeard_> links/names?
<L84Supper> older geode boards, some VIA x86 and some 486-ish core SOC's
<L84Supper> http://www.vortex86dx.com/ boards that use these
<RITRedbeard_> Seems Intel NuC sized, bit thick.
<RITRedbeard_> I think I can jam a gizmoboard into ultraportable chassis if I make my own heatsink design
<L84Supper> there are more but I forget the vendors
<L84Supper> too bad it has the giant stack of connectors on one side, it's another board layout that could only be made worse by adding a seat or handlebars as a feature
<L84Supper> those should optional as headers
<L84Supper> the 3.5w limit makes as much sense as adding a 1Kg weight limit
<fragmint> I thought it said it was 3.5w on TII and 10w on TIII
<L84Supper> fragmint: the point is that the numbers are just pulled from between a pair of glutes
<fragmint> true
<L84Supper> there is no thermal spec since the mastermind behind the spec wouldn't know how to explain it
<L84Supper> http://www.minix.us/products/NEO-G4.html it doesn't say but does it use a Rockchip soc?
<RITRedbeard_> Could be.
<RITRedbeard_> I still have problems getting my MK802 to boot linux from sdcard so it has been collecting dust.
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<rz2k> cnxsoft: I've commented on your blog, saw my nickname in comments :)
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<cnxsoft> rz2K: replying now... Maybe I should do this here instead
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<rz2k> I'm here for an hour, then going to university
<cnxsoft> I mostly spend my time blogging and reviewing stuffs, but during slow news day I may get involved a bit, so I may not spend that much time on development
<cnxsoft> however I can help promoting the community, and recruting :)
<cnxsoft> For communication, we could use irc, setup a mailing list (google groups or hosted in cnxsoft), or use some existing forums (e.g. armtvtech)
<rz2k> I dont really trust armtvtech... :)
<cnxsoft> We should also setup github repo for uboot and kernel
<rz2k> yeah, RaYmAn wanted me to do that, will probably do today
<cnxsoft> ok, lunch time... 20 minutes
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<cnxsoft> So for the mailing list, we just go with google group like linux-sunxi, or you'd prefer another setup?
<cnxsoft> rz2k: still here?
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<rz2k> yes
<rz2k> google groups will be ok
<cnxsoft> ok, do you plan to see it up? Once github, irc channel, and mailing list are up, I can post about it.
<cnxsoft> s/see/set/
<ibot> cnxsoft meant: ok, do you plan to set it up? Once github, irc channel, and mailing list are up, I can post about it.
<rz2k> I will try to figure out github today
<rz2k> I will notify you when something will be up :)
<cnxsoft> thanks :)
<rz2k> now I got to go, will be back later.
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* RITRedbeard_ blinks.
<RITRedbeard_> That's so cute and yet annoying.
<RITRedbeard_> Must be pretty extreme, 'university' at 12:45 AM EST
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<rm> he is in Moscow, you *a mild derogatory term of your choice*
<RITRedbeard_> Ah, so heading over to Advanced Communism POL-423
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<z72ka> Hi all, please, who know who is maintaining the linux-sunxi.org website? I want to share my findings about my Icoo D70GT A10 based tablet
<doneill> Well here we are, got that H6 wifi to work. Strange that full 3D works with this Mali driver but 2D is unaccelerated.
<RITRedbeard_> rm I think
<RITRedbeard_> or someone like that
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<z72ka> RITRedbeard: thank you
<RITRedbeard_> or hramrach
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<fra79Wii> Hi guys, yesterday I've used heavily my all winner tablet (a90w) or the first time in one year… I've modified the wireless so the caption is slightly better so I was able while travelling to listen music and browse the net...
<fra79Wii> the problem is that the apollo music player is not usoing
<fra79Wii> using the CedarA to encoding mp3.. is it right?
<fra79Wii> so the browsing was slightly laggy when listening mp3.. I'm using a recent cm10 build
<doneill> I believe CM itself has to make use of Cedar in its media interface layer.
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<andoma> 8mörrn
<andoma> wrong window
<fra79Wii> ,it's odd then because the video player makes use of cedar
<fra79Wii> I'm looking into the code to see where the video code is using cedar.. I believe is using trough some sort of audio framework
<fra79Wii> I suspect apollo is using a different framework or something...
<hramrach> RITRedbeard_: it's a wiki, it maintains itself ;-)
<hramrach> I have no idea who is running the server
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<br-> what's the name of the sunxi sata driver?
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<buZz> rodger moore
<buZz> no sorry, dont know ;)
<buZz> lets see if i can find it
<torindel> CONFIG_SW_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM?
<mnemoc> sw_ahci_platform.ko
<br-> thanks
<mnemoc> torindel: yes, that's the CONFIG_
<br-> actually thats probably the wrong question. was wondering if the controller supports ncq (or is agnostic to such things), and what perf is generally like when connected to an SSD
* br- real question is estimating how many users of a huge full text index on an ssd he could fit on a mele
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<jlj> /join #debian
<jlj> oops, sorry
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<Welsh> Started designing a card to break out the EOMA 68 connector to 0.1 headers
<Welsh> Auto-router is having a bad time
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<rz2k> RITRedbeard_: no communism involved :3
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<RITRedbeard_> Today's Lecture: How to spot a Trotskyite.
<RITRedbeard_> or no, rz2k?
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<Welsh> Do they look like gnomes?
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<rz2k> lol
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<hramrach> lkcl: the exynos is useful for being more powerful. If you have to clock it down to fit it into an eoma it clearly shows the limit of eoma design
<hramrach> and as L84Supper said it might not need that much clocking down. Perhaps the thermal design could be tested with a more powerful CPU like one of the AMD chips or with a stub card that just generates heat
<L84Supper> it wouldn't have to be underclocked at all, the thermal specs are just random values picked out of a ...
<hramrach> I wonder what the whole solution is supposed to look like. Imagine the card stuck into a device that is basically thermally non-conductive
<L84Supper> that will be a problem for any device
<hramrach> maybe it should be specified that the device that accepts the cards should be somewhat thermally conductive or specify in documentation how powerful cards it can cool under what conditions
<L84Supper> it should, but he's still clueless as to how this all works
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<hramrach> you need not know how it works. Stick a card into a device in a lab (garage) let it run for a day, if it works device is certified to run with that card ;-)
<rm> awesome :) I repurposed an old ATX case to hold my MK802 :)
<hramrach> any reason to do that?
<mnemoc> aren't ATX cases a little too big for an hdmi dongle?
<rm> actually it's the MK802 + USB hub + USB NIC + USB soundcard + USD DisplayLink VGA + USB to PS/2 converter
<rm> six functional units
<rm> + a complete jumble of wires
<rm> between them
<mnemoc> picture? :)
<hramrach> yes, that makes more sense then
<rm> mnemoc, it's not too pretty and I don't have a camera
<mnemoc> excuses :<
<rm> I mean it is exceptionally pretty and clean on the OUTSIDE
<rm> but inside the case only the MK802 is fixed in some fashion
<rm> the rest is kind of positioned in a free manner :D
<rm> but beats by 100x
<rm> having all of this outside just lying around the place
<hramrach> did you fix the peripherials to an ATX backplate to simulate a pc? ;-)
<rm> yeah I had this idea :)
<rm> would be cool to make a custom ATX backplate
<rm> mostly with USB sockets
<rm> but then more plugs/wires would need to stay on the outside
<rm> as currently I simply closed off most of the holes on the back
<rm> and run the wires in through a small one; will need to open the case to disconnect something
<hramrach> many atx backplates have PS/2, hdmi, audio, etc
<hramrach> but attaching stuff to it would be kind of challenging
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<hramrach> would be nice project to make a piece of PCB with usb and hdmi to plug in a stick and ATX backplate on one side
<hramrach> two ATX mounting holes and the backplate opening should be enough to hold it in place
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<mnemoc> maybe the same PCB of http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock with the right mounting holes :)
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<focus> I got penpod with Linaro booting from flash.
<focus> It crashed, rebooted once or twice and now it don't want to boot :(
<focus> How sad - even I could have got it working better than that - and I did - I got Gemei G2 with TF card booting lxde distro
<mnemoc> focus: the #pengpod thing has a dedicated channel
<focus> mnemoc: thanks - didn't know
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<GeorgeIoak> I'm getting closer with my touch screen problem but I need some help. I've gathered some good logcat info at http://pastebin.com/a5rk9Hua which shows only the output from the TSCalibrationView.java program
<GeorgeIoak> the TSCalibrationView.java program we have in the TV Box source is this, http://pastebin.com/at474FDD
<GeorgeIoak> looks like the errors are coming from the judge_point_location function which uses P_Y_RIGHT_CORNER_MAX_LIMIT that is set at 120 earlier in the code for some reason but I'm not a programmer so I don't follow all of the logic in this program
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<rellla> hi guys, need your help. my cubieboard stops booting here: http://pastebin.com/phYvV22B
<rellla> anybody a quick link to a kernel+modules.tar.gz which is knownn to work?
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<GeorgeIoak> rellla: is that your full log, it looks like the kernel is loading but i don't see an error. check the linux-sunxi.org site, some images have been loaded there recently
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<Turl> rellla: hmm how recent is that?
<rellla> GeorgeIoak: yeah. it stops exactly here.
<Turl> I saw some hansg patches for timer stuff
<Turl> if timer doesn't fire your system will 'stop' at times
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<rellla> Turl: it's from sunxi-3.0. I don't think that there have been commits since my last build
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<mnemoc> rellla: there was a version jump last friday
<mnemoc> if you built after it, please try the last sunxi-*-rN tag of the previous version
<Turl> you can try triggering a random interrupt and see if it wakes
<rellla> wait a minute, i'll quickly bake a new kernel with actual head
<Turl> mnemoc: were the timer patches merged?
<mnemoc> Turl: nothing from the stage got merged. but suggestions are welcomed
<Turl> mnemoc: I don't see them on stage
<mnemoc> as i can't test myself atm, I only merge to stage (and from stage to main) after been acked/tested by other devs
<Turl> ah, found them on ML
<Turl> nevermind my earlier comment rellla then :)
<mnemoc> so if you see something in the ML that hasn't been merged to stage, review it, test it, and reply it acking
<w00tc0d3> grr
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<w00tc0d3> NodeDeploy is make me angry
<w00tc0d3> when I go Quassel, nodedeploy has a VERY HIGH ping
<w00tc0d3> 20 seconds
<w00tc0d3> -_______-
<RITRedbeard_> oh noes
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<drachensun> is there a git with all these edid patches applied?
<drachensun> I've got a device I think needs them
<drachensun> but they have been coming in so fast I can't keep up
<GeorgeIoak> i'm not having any luck modifying TSCalibrationView.java and getting positive results. perhaps someone knows where i might find a different calibration program that i could at least try. it can't be any worse than what i've got now
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<rellla> Turl, mnemoc: everything is fine now. cubie boots with newest kernel and uboot.
<rellla> the problem was, that i wanted to save some money with the power adapter :(
<Turl> :P
<rellla> cubie boots with a 5V/1A over USB/OTG and stops with a psp-adaptor 5V/2A via dc-port
* rellla wonders, if 1A is enough to power an additional ssd, ethernet, hdmi ... - otherwise rellla needs a good link to a suitable power adaptor ;)
<mnemoc> iirc the otg can only take 0.5A
<rellla> then it's to google
<rellla> s/ to/ time to/
<ibot> rellla meant: then it's time to google
<Turl> SSDs don't have to spin a disk, the initial draw might be less than an HDD
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<rellla> someone did some tests here, what amount of power the cubie eats up. can't remember, who it was. but iirc you are far away from using the whole plugin-in-program with 0.5A
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<vinifm> A13' spi is actually full duplex?
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<mdp> spi, by definition, is full duplex
<vinifm> yes, but hardware need support it
<armena> every SPI port I've ever seen has a MISO and a MOSI, and when you do a transfer, you send a byte and receive a byte at the same time
<armena> the SPI slave device might only talk in one direction though
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<vinifm> I have received: "cpu tx data time out!"
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<armena> vinifm, that doesn't sound like a duplex related thing. I'm not very familiar with the A13's SPI but maybe the SPI module isn't getting a clock?
<vinifm> not
<vinifm> aw_spi->hclk = clk_get(&pdev->dev, pdata->clk_name);
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<armena> vinifm, maybe try increasing the poll timeout value on line 890 of driver/spi/sunxi_spi.c to see if that changes anything.
<vinifm> yea
<vinifm> i tried
<armena> have you checked that a clock signal appears on the wire when an spi transfer is initiated?
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<vinifm> i could do that only in work, i am in home :)
<armena> not to change the subject, but has anyone had any success getting a serial console on one of those A10S-based MK802 clones?
<armena> mine has two pads that appear to be connected to PB19 and PB20 but no amount of hacking up u-boot's gpio_init() seems to result in anything on those pins
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<bfree> anyone using an initramfs? with a cubie if that matters. trying to figure out how to call mkimage and what to do with boot.cmd to match
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<bfree> aha http://www.j1nx.nl/initramfs-support-for-the-allwinner-a10/ (it wasn't displaying here a few minutes ago)
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<extrados1> I'd like to move my debian install from an external sd card to the internal nand. However, when I use nand-part, it throws an error, "all partition tables are bad". fdisk, on the other hand, seems to read /dev/nand fine. Any advice on how to proceed?
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