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<drachensun> I've got a commit which is too big to email
<drachensun> it adds 4 new wifi drivers from the ionik.de source
<drachensun> I tried a pull request but that brings along a lot of unrelated baggage from my repo
<drachensun> so anyway, let me know if there is something if anyone else is interested in this and some thoughts on how I might send it
<drachensun> ugh, its too late, I meant "If this is something anyone else is interested in"
<drachensun> I've got a nand driver merge also
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<drachensun> but that wont email because a line is too long
<drachensun> never find, it looks like the nand driver merge sent ok
<drachensun> nevermind, ugh I'm going to sleep
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<Triffid_Hunter> drachensun: make a new branch from an upstream branch, then cherry-pick the relevant commits into it, /then/ send a pull req
<Triffid_Hunter> if upstream accepts your pull req, rebase your local branches on top and it'll automatically remove the duplicate commits
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<oliv3r> GOogle working on Android 3.8 kernel now, does that mean we'll have a 3.8 tree soon too? :)
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<libv> drachensun: #linux-sunxi :)
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<dw> excuse my hardware ignorance, but in current generation arm socs, there seems to be some limit of 2GB RAM. i think i read somewhere this was hardware related. is there some complexity or efficiency problem with supporting large physical address space?
<dw> or am i totally imagining this :)
<dw> i guess arm has nothing like PAE, so there's an obvious limit at 4gb
<dw> oh, woah. /me learns about LPAE
<libv> i think a15 is able to use some sort of pae
<libv> and then therefor also a7
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<mripard> dw: there's actually two things to consider
<mripard> the first one is how much different address you can have on your system
<mripard> this is what set the maximum memory usable to 4GB on a 32bits system
<mripard> and this is what LPAE/PAE is for, to extend the number of addresses you can use, and thus the amount of memory
<mripard> but your hardware also restricts you on how much memory you can use
<dw> mripard: yes its the latter part i don't understand
<mripard> libv: yes, A7 and A15 have LPAE
<mripard> and some marvell SoCs as well
<mripard> and probably some others I'm not aware of
<mripard> dw: there's two thing: your memory controller could handle less than 4GB of RAM
<mripard> or, since most of the devices in a SoC are mapped to a memory address, it restricts also the amount of addresses you could use
<mripard> and this is basically what happens to most of the modern SoCs
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<vinifm> is possible to use a higher resolution than 800x600 to VGA on A13-olinuxino-wifi?
<vinifm> because A13 Video decoder support 1080P
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<libv> vinifm: #linux-sunxi for sunxi stuff
<libv> vinifm: and yes, check the sunxi wiki for Display
<vinifm> thanks
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<Ra__> Hello
<Ra__> I have a question about suxi-based device, Mini-x box (mk805 clone). Trying to enable usb device mode, read few posts about it, but still no success. modprob'ing g_file_storage - file-backed mass storage gadget, all seems to be ok, but no activity on usb lines.
<Ra__> Did somebody succeed in using usb gadgets on Mini-X?
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<hramrach> dw: besides memory controller restriction and address space restriction there are physical limits too
<hramrach> many modern SoCs use PoP - memory mounted on top of the SoC
<hramrach> then you are limited to a single RAM chip
<hramrach> and to the amount of memory you can reasonably fit into a single chip
<mripard> hramrach: ah, yes, of course
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<w00tc0d3> omg
<w00tc0d3> STUPID OPENVZ
<w00tc0d3> Why can't I find 1GB KVM VPS for 4$ a month?... :(
<rm> because KVM is trickier to oversell than OpenVZ
<rm> have more realistic expectations and you might find something, http://www.lowendbox.com/tag/kvm/
<rm> also, #lowendbox
<w00tc0d3> i know that site
<rm> then surely you are subscribed to their RSS and did not miss this? :D http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/front-range-hosting-3-usd-month-512mb-kvm-vps-in-colorado/
<rm> oh, still 512
<rm> 1GB is likely really impossible for $4
<w00tc0d3> well for that price, IDGAF
<w00tc0d3> i'll be looking to order one
<w00tc0d3> oh yeah, ofc, they're sold out
<w00tc0d3> haha
<w00tc0d3> how naive xD
<w00tc0d3> 80USD for a VPS
<w00tc0d3> well
<w00tc0d3> TBH I'd think it'd be much cheaper to run a cubieboard here @ home
<w00tc0d3> how many watt/h is a cubieboard?
<w00tc0d3> i guess around 5?
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<buZz> A20 device?
<mnemoc> the A20 lets them revive "old" A10 designs
<buZz> yeah, but i thought A20 was still not being shipped?
<buZz> or not on rail yet, still just samples
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<mnemoc> afaik it's expected for march
<buZz> hmm nice
<mnemoc> they haven't re-uploaded the A20 product page yet
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<mnemoc> http://www.iambrix.com/?p=82 ... armbrix was "requested" to rename itself...
<mnemoc> ugly arm :<
<RaYmAn> not really surprising
<mnemoc> true
<mnemoc> how should we call the thing between the shoulder and wrist?
<RaYmAn> i've been told that if you don't actively defend trademarks in us, you risk losing it
<RaYmAn> not exactly same category ;)
<mnemoc> :)
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<RaYmAn> im sure you could get away with calling yourself apple if you only sold apples (the fruit)
<RaYmAn> yep.they choose to change name
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<traeak> hmmm
<traeak> allwinner a31s with quad cortex a7 and powervr part
<RaYmAn> it finally came out?
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<RaYmAn> the specs for that came out at least a month ago if not longer :)
<w00tc0d3> lol a31s
<w00tc0d3> they have to launch quad A15 :(
<w00tc0d3> for a reasonable price
<RaYmAn> oh.. s
<mnemoc> RaYmAn: the 's' variant is new
<mnemoc> less monster display capabilities
<w00tc0d3> 80 euro at total or something, SATA, Mali T-604, Cortex A15 quad, 2GB RAM. Should be doable for 80 euro, a Cubieboard
<traeak> 64bit baby!
<traeak> (not a15 of course)
<w00tc0d3> yeah ARMv8 could be kickass
<w00tc0d3> IF there's compatible software
<traeak> wait one
<traeak> someone has already released an arm64 linux image
<traeak> trying to find that one
<w00tc0d3> it's for QEMU
<traeak> yeah
<traeak> so of course no specialized drivers
<w00tc0d3> it's useless as shit
<traeak> you said "if there's compatible software
<w00tc0d3> only interesting to learn new ARMv8 ARM instrcutions
<traeak> uhh....recompile? :-p
<w00tc0d3> ASM*
<w00tc0d3> I meant ASM code etc
<w00tc0d3> so it becomes quicker
<w00tc0d3> and GCC also needs to be updated :-P
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<libv> rz2k: odroid is pretty piss-poor
<libv> rz2k: linux-sunxi is nice and easy and pretty complete in comparison
<rz2k> mmm?
<libv> rz2k: you have an odroid as well, right?
<rz2k> and yes
<rz2k> hdmi is v4l2 ://
<rz2k> yeah, the X2 version
<libv> apparently, linux equals ubuntu, and nothing else.
<libv> no docs are there
<buZz> hdmi is v4l2?
<buZz> wtf
<libv> u-boot is a gpl violation
<buZz> how does that work?
<rz2k> thank samsung for that
<libv> whatever docs were there have vanished with this forum crap vanishing
<rz2k> they decided to distribute only signed u-boot
<buZz> hehe lol
<rz2k> after something changed their mind
<buZz> no freedom for you!
<rz2k> for X version you have gpl u-boot
<rz2k> and binary loader for it
<rz2k> no trustzone crap
<libv> i am slowly piecing together info on how to set things up from scratch: http://limadriver.org/OdroidSetup/
<rz2k> I've updated the mali-400 driver in odroid kernel some time ago
<rz2k> it should both have r3p2 and r2p4 functional
<rz2k> r2p4 using our libs
<rz2k> r3p2 is from odroid and distributed with some lame EULA
<libv> if that eula prohibits REing, then is invalid anyway
<libv> +it
<libv> hey, they ship binary only u-boot.
<rz2k> yeah
<rz2k> I'm not happy with it too
<libv> so what are they going to do :)
<rz2k> no idea
<rz2k> sell stuff to people who dont understand that binary stuff is bad?
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<libv> i really love how they state "community based support" as a selling point
<libv> "help yourselves, you idiots, we cannot be bothered"
<mnemoc> *g*
<libv> rz2k: what are you running on yours btw?
<rz2k> linaro
<rz2k> I'm lame :(
<libv> you just dumped the hardkernel image on an sd?
<rz2k> yeah, and compiled own kernel
<libv> ok, well, i have the thing booting reliably now
<libv> and collected all necessary info on that wiki page
<libv> up next is this v4l lunacy
<libv> and then hopefully mali binaries
<libv> of course, there will be no fb binaries provided
<rz2k> fb6 is hdmi v4l2
<rz2k> it cant do anything except yuv444
<libv> ?
<libv> *sigh*
<rz2k> and yes, they only made X11 libs
<libv> rz2k: have you found out what the reset and power buttons are for?
<libv> because they do not seem to do anything for me
<rz2k> power for 5 sec is power-cycle reset
<rz2k> iirc
<libv> that's what i expected
<libv> but i have not observed that behaviour so far
<libv> ah, os is dead
<libv> usb is still powered as my fan is still running.
<libv> ok
<libv> oh well, more complaining tomorrow. night.
<rz2k> good night
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<rz2k> libv: also check this later https://github.com/Gu1-/linux/commits/odroid-3.7.y
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