<danlench1>
i knor specing its dinner time and i havw a 4mo old and a 4 yo running around
<danlench1>
;:
<danlench1>
:)
<aholler>
here it is 01:00 am
<specing>
same here
<aholler>
asthonishing how large the internet is ;)
<danlench1>
daniel@nofolder.com
<danlench1>
if i get disconnected
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<GeorgeIoak>
Hoping you guys can let me know what I did wrong. Had a working SD card, decided to recompile kernel/modules, and am now stuck at "Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2..."
<GeorgeIoak>
card looks fine on computer
<GeorgeIoak>
if i plug/unplug mouse i can see it enumerate on the UART console
<rz2k>
libv: awesome!
<aholler>
be sure to not have the mmc/fs stuff as module.
<GeorgeIoak>
i didn't touch mmc/fs in the kernel compile but what could i check
<GeorgeIoak>
this has happened before so i think i'm doing something wrong but i need to save this card
<ZaEarl>
libv, I love you, man.
<GeorgeIoak>
i see these messages and i think on a good boot there are voltage readings from the axp209, regulator_init_complete: axp20_buck3: incomplete constraints, leaving on
<GeorgeIoak>
i see this early in the UART console:[mmc]: sunxi mmc controller using config : 0xb
<GeorgeIoak>
on some other boot tries i do see voltages on the AXP209 probe but I see mmc 3 power off !! (and MMC0 and MMC1 but nothing about MMC2)
<GeorgeIoak>
nevermind, seems like i've got a flaky sd card slot, pushing down on it allowed it to boot now. just what i need to happen ...
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<torindel>
GeorgeIoak: if you want i can give you my dmesg to compare
<GeorgeIoak>
torindel: thanks but i didn't think it was the actual sd slot that could be bad. i thought somehow i was copying wrong files or something and the kernel was just throwing that message
<GeorgeIoak>
i plugged/unplugged the card a bunch of times but just now i decided to press down and whn i did it booted
<torindel>
^^
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<danlench1>
traeak: is this irc affiliated with rhombus?\
<danlench1>
traeak: should i speak with lkcl ? can you please forward my info along? any info about rhombus will help
<traeak>
danlench1: i don't know jack, have some patience
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<danlench1>
i just know how channel scroll back can be sometimes
<danlench1>
i will 'hang' for a while ;)
<fra79Wii>
Hi.. I have a patch for a touchscreen driver but can't find the proper way to submit...
<GeorgeIoak>
working on compiling some touch screen drivers that i had working before and can't remember directory to use for X11 libraries on the .config --prefix line
<GeorgeIoak>
is it /usr/lib/X11 or /usr/share/X11
<libv>
andoma: no time for that today sorry.
<libv>
have to go lie down and die now, FOSDEM still hasn't left my body.
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<fra79Wii>
damn.. I sent the patch but I didn't specify that was for sunxi=3.4
<fra79Wii>
sunxi-3.4
<fra79Wii>
does someone is using cromiumOS on a tablet? I was wondering about an on screen keyboard on chromiumOS.. but I've never used/seen a chromeOS...
<fra79Wii>
and on google search I can't tell where rumours ends and true starts...
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<aalonso>
hello, i have a question, i want to add an additional device driver in fex file; sys_config in kernel parses the fex file; is there a guide on how to do this?
<rz2k>
redscorpio released new unpacker for allwinner a31 SoCs images
<rz2k>
they moved from LiveSuit to something called phoenixsuit
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<wingrime>
techn: ft5_ts comes with firmware that can be safety droped from source tree
<wingrime>
techn: and more one, this firmware compatibly only with unknown ts impement
<wingrime>
cat I make patch to drop it ?
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<oliv3r>
hramrach: hmm, i bought an mpeg licence for my PI, so i can ask my money back?
<ccssnet>
..
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<oliv3r>
lkcl is probably best talk with daniel lench then
<oliv3r>
god i was stuck on a large scrollback :p
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<hramrach>
oliv3r: technically sw patents are illegal in EU
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<hramrach>
so if you are thre you can try to complain to mpeg-la, hire a lawyer, go to court, etc ;-)
<hramrach>
but the fact is that while sw patents are illegal and everything you can license from mpeg-la is sw patent they are enforced and fees collected in EU
<hramrach>
there is http://eupat.ffii.org/ with detailed info on the current status if you are interested
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<hramrach>
also if you are in the US you are probably out of luck
<hramrach>
because software is generally patentable there
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<oliv3r>
hramrach: yeah so it costs ~3 euro's. Not worth a lawyer etc.
<oliv3r>
what bothers me though, is that a UK firm is collecting those fee's even though it's illegal
<Turl>
BBB-equivalent complaint?
<oliv3r>
?
<Turl>
Better Business Bureau on the US
<Turl>
you know, Consumer Defense stuff where you can complain
<hramrach>
when it's written in the law and the courts just ignore it ..
<hramrach>
there is lobbying to make it legal after the fact since so many nice but illegal patents are already granted
<oliv3r>
well i'm a paying supporter of the EFF, they should complain too! :p
<bfree>
hramrach: it's not that simple, those doing the interpretting of the law to apply it in the real world find that the words "as such" in the law open up a big can of worms and allow things "we" would deem as software patents
<oliv3r>
or the eff-europe
<mnemoc>
there is a nice quote from "killing me softly" (2012), "the US is not a community, it's a business"
<mnemoc>
s/me/them/
<ibot>
mnemoc meant: there is a nice quote from "killing them softly" (2012), "the US is not a community, it's a business"
<hramrach>
bfree: if that 'as such' applied they could perhaps have some say over chips but never over sw codecs
<hramrach>
but afaik they want royalties for those too which is clearly software as such
<hramrach>
mnemoc: ofc EU is a businesss too
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<mnemoc>
it's the german empire done right ;-)
<hramrach>
and it's not the tax money what pays the officials. it's the benefits offered by the lobbyists
<mnemoc>
"America is not a country it's a business" is the right quote :\
<oliv3r>
i think my tablet somehow died (OS corrupted :( bah)
<oliv3r>
if I plug in power, I get the bootloader screen (i see the backlight on, with a lighter square where an image is supposed to be (never saw that )) and after 3 or 4 seconds it goes off and does it again
<L84Supper>
the same may be said for China, just don't tell anyone that lives there that, that's the important thing
<oliv3r>
I'm guessing it can't load the kernel? but how in the world could that get corrupted
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<hramrach>
don't bring out china
<L84Supper>
it's safely behind the GFW anyway
<hramrach>
or maybe do. it's not like there is much difference between there and US anymore
<L84Supper>
the corruption has seeped in, now even opening up derivatives trading
<L84Supper>
I'm not sure if it's a trojan horse by wall st or if they have the top in on the scam as well, never will know for sure anyway
<hramrach>
the difference is that in the US they heard of the Bill of Human Rights and the government is trying everything to make people forget
<L84Supper>
yeah
<hramrach>
in China they never heard of that thing but people there slowly start to realize that something like that exists outside
<hramrach>
so they pretty much in at the same point with local peculiarities
<L84Supper>
most people in China are too busy just looking for a way to make a better life for themselves
<hramrach>
yes. most are
<hramrach>
not that it's much different in the US
<hramrach>
or *any* life for that matter
<L84Supper>
true, people in the US don't seem to see the big picture anymore and why there is a bill of rights
<oliv3r>
the world is scammed anyway
<oliv3r>
just look what happened in the cycling sport? we all got scammed
<L84Supper>
light beer still flows, TV still works and you can drive though and get a 3K calorie meal for <$10
<oliv3r>
now soccer appearantly is just a scam too
<L84Supper>
100 years ago in the US there scandals over baseball being fixed
<cheng>
anyone can power up cubieboard with the supplied USB->power jack input?
<L84Supper>
anyone ever get a chance to test the IRQ latency on the cubieboards GPIO?
<hramrach>
how woud you test it?
<L84Supper>
best way is with a scope
<L84Supper>
LinuxCNC has some routines for testing
<hramrach>
you need somebody with a scope then ;-)
<L84Supper>
the beaglebones SOC has a TI AM3358/9 with that PRU-ICSS block, so IRQ get serviced quickly with low jitter
<oliv3r>
libv: where is the vid of your talk! :( video.fosdem.org/2013 still has nothing :(
<L84Supper>
just wondering how they did the PIRQ block in the A10, ad how much interrupt latecy jitter there might be under video, memory and SATA load
<oliv3r>
L84Supper: I havea scope, but no cubieboard :p
<oliv3r>
only a A10 tablet
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<hramrach>
should work the same
<L84Supper>
I have to order a cubie, i probably should have picked one up when nearby last week :(
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<oliv3r>
but atm it refuses to boot
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<bfree>
oliv3r: http://grep.be/blog/en/life/fosdem/2013_video "What's left now is to do some transcoding and uploading; this will happen over the next few days and weeks." 05 February, 2013 01:06PM
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<oliv3r>
oh, blog, :D
<oliv3r>
but i wanna watch it now :p guess I have to keep refreshing video.fodsem.org
<bfree>
I know that, I meant who posted it to slashdot ;)
<traeak>
hehe libv
<hansg>
Turl, I've not actually tried overclocking, so maybe I'm wrong, but before my patch both the cpufreq_max as the scaling_max where 1008000000, and AFAIK you cannot set the cpu higher then cpufreq_max
<traeak>
your 2 and 3% are statistically aboutmeaningless
<traeak>
but it's cool anyways and thanks for all the hard work
<hansg>
But maybe I'm wrong and people are already overclocking through sysfs ?
<hansg>
Anyways I guess my patch should be split into 2, one to split cpufreq and scaling min_max defines, and change the scaing_min to 408
<hansg>
And then maybe later another to make overclocking easier. Maybe ...
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<mnemoc>
hansg: the main problem I see is that android doesn't sleep, it clocks down. so pushing the minimum higher will reduce battery life for them
<mnemoc>
a CONFIG_ would solve that. as we have different defconfig for both
<hansg>
mnemoc, there is sleep and there is sleep, unless android busyloops, or has very frequent wakeups when idle, the cpu will enter a deep powerstate, eliminating any power consumption differences from just clockfrequence changes, or so I expect
<mnemoc>
but surely the split of that patch is welcomed
<hansg>
mnemoc, so how about a patch to split cpufreq and scaling min-max into separate defines, and then a CONFIG_ option for setting scaling_min ?
<mnemoc>
sounds good
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<hansg>
mnemoc, TBH I don't care about overclocking (at least not atm), that part of the patch was just a matter of "while I'm at it"
<hansg>
mnemoc, ok I'll put fixing that patch to your liking on my todo
<hansg>
mnemoc, feel free to merge the 2 display patches in the mean time :)
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<Turl>
hansg: check scaling_avail_freqs or such
<Turl>
you can set them to any freq there
<mnemoc>
hansg: both? I haven't read them but 3/3 seems controversial
<hansg>
mnemoc, 3/3 has been discussed a bit and it seems that after explaining why I went that route everyone agrees. And this does fix a quite popular samsung series of lcd monitors not working at their native resolution (and stretching sucks)
<hansg>
mnemoc, but as always it is your call in the end :)
<hansg>
Also note that the sole purpose of 2/3 is preparation for 3/3
<mnemoc>
hansg: nah, I'm just the ape, you are the devs. you agree, I apply.
<mnemoc>
Turl: space elevators first, then building a death star will be cheaper :)
<Turl>
:p
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<Welsh>
evening
<provel__>
hi all! I compiled lima driver (limare) but it seems there aren't any gles function in the so file.... is there a way to use it?
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<Welsh>
Just come across this project and I am really interested. Have a few questions though, if someone could throw out answers or where i'd find more info.
<Welsh>
What hardware and cards are currently being worked on? Would a keyboard with a passthrough card simply have a usb hub inside it?
<provel__>
wait.... lots of project here
<Welsh>
EOMA
<provel__>
ok
<Welsh>
Sorry, should have stated that, but the topic said it so i was unsure
<provel__>
I suppose that keybord has a little hub, yes
<provel__>
linux kernel likely supports hubs, anyway
<Welsh>
Just thinking that the keyboard would be the simplest to produce as a proof of concept
<provel__>
removing the hub and inserting the eoma? I doubt there's space enough
<Welsh>
I mean the keyboard could contain a hub. The EOMA would be a simple usb passthorugh with an single port on it
<Welsh>
I don't seem to be able to spell today
<provel__>
hum... you want to connect eoma between a keyboard and a PC? I can't imagine nothing but bad things of that ^^'
<Welsh>
the EOMA wiki lists keyboard as one of the proposed form factors
<mnemoc>
Welsh: but those all-in-one keyboard things iirc
<Welsh>
It's simply a keyboard with a few extra usb's, but pull out the default card and put in a cpu card and you just have to connect a monitor
<mnemoc>
Welsh: so a computer without display on a single brick
<Welsh>
mnemoc: Yes
<mnemoc>
so your keyboard should also have rj45, sata and dvi/vga output
<Welsh>
It doesn't have to provide visual if that's on the cpu card?
<Welsh>
Sata is easy to do, with a sata to usb on the pasthrough card
<mnemoc>
the connectors on the external side of the eoma68 card are all optional
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<mnemoc>
so your device (keyboard) has to assume the card does not provide video output
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<mnemoc>
and so turn the lvds from the pins into dvi or similar
<Welsh>
I see what you're saying, but those ports will have no use without the cpu card.
<mnemoc>
eoma-based devices are no use without the cpu card
<mnemoc>
the passthrough is mostly a debugging tool
<Welsh>
Except as tv's, screens, etc
<Welsh>
I thought that was the idea
<Welsh>
Say you buy a screen, it just passes hdmi through to the lcd
<Welsh>
Has usb and a sata port too
<Welsh>
but then you can drop in a cpu card, and have an all in one pc?
<Welsh>
at least, that was the direction i got from the material I can find on it
<Turl>
your screen would have to be EOMA-enabled
<Turl>
ie have a EOMA slot where you can put your card in
<Welsh>
Turl: Yes
<mnemoc>
same with the keyboard, the brain is in the card, even if the card is a dummy
<Turl>
the point of EOMA cards is that they can be replaced so you can upgrade the "brain"
<Welsh>
it's called a "passthrough card" here
<mnemoc>
Welsh: but for the eoma-enabled device it's just another eoma card
<mnemoc>
no hdmi, but lvds
<mnemoc>
even if it originally comes from hdmi
<Welsh>
I'm confused as to what we're confused about now
<mnemoc>
:)
<Welsh>
I was specifically checking on the point: A keyboard with a passthrough card is a plain keyboard, perhaps with extra USB ports. Removal of the passthrough card and insertion of a CPU card turns the keyboard into a fully-functioning computer.
<Welsh>
As this would be a simple proof of concept build for me and would give me something to put a pcu card in when one is produced
<mnemoc>
yes, have the usb connected you'll get all the usb functionally in the usb of the passthrough
<mnemoc>
even if you "forget" to connect the other cables
<mnemoc>
in which case it's a fat keyboard with hub
<Welsh>
And from all the pictures of what the first cpu card will look like, i had assumed that they would provide a mini-hdmi out
<Welsh>
I get that you're saying this might not always be the case
<mnemoc>
the eoma68-a10 card is only one example of card
<mnemoc>
and all those "external" connectors are outside the scope of eoma68
<mnemoc>
so the keyboard itself needs a dvi/vga connector
<Welsh>
which would require a chip inside the keyboard to convert the signals?
<mnemoc>
and do the corresponding magic over lvds
<mnemoc>
yes
<Welsh>
The wiki entry says devices are free to implement only some of the interfaces
<Welsh>
CPU cards must implement all though
<Welsh>
So a keyboard with no display output would be within EOMA
<mnemoc>
yes, you can. but it would be pretty pointless to make an "all-in-one"ish eoma keyboard which won't have display unless the card provides that "out of the standard"
<mnemoc>
because you can't assume the card will have any other video output beside the lvds on the eoma68 connector
<mnemoc>
even if some (like the a10-based one) has it
<mnemoc>
have*
<aesok>
++
<Welsh>
Maybe to start i could break out the pins for lvds inside the keyboard, and leave space for an addon that would provide video out
<Welsh>
to reduce initial cost
<mnemoc>
will it really make a $diff$?
<Welsh>
on a student budget, probably
<mnemoc>
people expects to be able to plug a display on an smart keyboard
<Welsh>
But including it as standard when there will be no output?
<mnemoc>
who would buy an eoma keyboard to only use it as standard usb keyboard?
<mnemoc>
by definition the "smart" keyboard will be more expensive than a normal dumb keyboard
<jelly-home>
incidentally, that keyboard does not work with MK802 or cubie's android images properly
<Welsh>
I was going to use the initial keyboard with a raspberry pi or cubieboard, thus the display would be external
<Welsh>
My keyboard design without display out would also be useful for somewhere with chin clients or EOMA card screens, as you could still keep the storage in the keyboard, even wifi
<Welsh>
But i can see your point about adding a display out if not all cards are going to supply an external one
<mnemoc>
adding a battery would be nice too
<mnemoc>
a lipo is easy to make optional
<Welsh>
I had considered the option, as well as a EOMA card that made it into a blue tooth keyboard
<Welsh>
not sure i could do usb over bluetooth though
<Welsh>
are there any standards for wireless usb connections?
<Welsh>
There do seem to be some wireless usb hubs... looking expencive though
<mnemoc>
you'll probably have to export the different components as BT profiles