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<dansmith_btc> Could someone please remind me why transaction malleability cannot be solved by not hashing the signature?
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<phantomcircuit> dansmith_btc, it can be, but making that a consensus rule would be a hardfork if done naively
<phantomcircuit> segwit is more or less doing that with a softfork
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<MRL-Relay> [othe] could you guys stop calling something softfork which will break every third party library? ... It´s extremely misleading for users
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<instagibbs> context?
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<fluffypony> instagibbs: "<phantomcircuit>segwit is more or less doing that with a softfork"
<fluffypony> I believe he's referring to usage like that
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<instagibbs> not sure what the issue is then
<instagibbs> it's exactly what it is
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<instagibbs> unless anyonecanspend was a big part of your wallet software :)
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<nsh> if wallets are built with a dependency on transaction malleability, then they arguably need to be broken. however there is obviously room and utility in minimising and giving good forward guidance on possible incidental incompatibilities introduced with 3rd party software due to soft-fork changes
<nsh> i don't think there's any objection to that
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<kanzure> "need to be broken" i thought they were already broken
<instagibbs> you'd have to be depending on malleating other people's transactions, which would be weird. You're free to continue using malleable ones yourself.
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<super3> hello
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<PeterR> Is adlai here?
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<coinoperated> @PeterR ping him, or PM. depending on his client it might alert him somehow
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<PeterR> Hey adlai! I was wondering if you'd be able to chat offline (email or skype) regarding the idea we discussed last week regarding the two editorials for Ledger
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<PeterR> Haha but I actually don't know who you are nor how to contact you. My email is peter_r@gmx.com.
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<PeterR> Thanks!
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