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[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/auto-migrate from f24214a to 650a0eb: https://git.io/vKqv4
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feat/auto-migrate 650a0eb Jeromy: add a test for auto migrations cli interface...
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed feat/auto-migrate from 650a0eb to 88a72d8: https://git.io/vKqv4
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feat/auto-migrate 535c670 Jeromy: Automatically download and run migrations if needed...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feat/auto-migrate 104cec3 Jeromy: make dist path overrideable...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/feat/auto-migrate 306321a Jeromy: add migrate flag to daemon subcommand...
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<alu>
i like the new site
<alu>
a LOT!
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping closed pull request #2949: gateway: on api, restrict to webui (master...feature/api-gateway-webui) https://git.io/vKtpb
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<whyrusleeping>
alu: :D
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/repo-verify-live (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vKqnK
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/repo-verify-live a98dff6 Jeromy: make repo verify work with running daemon...
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2951: make repo verify work with running daemon (master...fix/repo-verify-live) https://git.io/vKqn7
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping deleted fix/repo-verify-live at a98dff6: https://git.io/vKqWw
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<m0ns00n>
Hello people!
<m0ns00n>
whyrusleeping: how are you doing?
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<achin>
hi! bye!
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<nivekuil>
how does versioning in ipfs work? is there a structure i can query to find the older/newer version of a given object? how about ipns history?
<ion>
You can add a reference to a previous version to an object.
<ion>
A link I should say
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<kpcyrd>
nivekuil: if you change an object it's a new object
<nivekuil>
oh, i see. so metadata should be included in the object itself
<nivekuil>
ipfs doesn't provide any sort of built-in ledger?
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<nivekuil>
for ipns changes, that is
<ion>
Nope, IPNS is just a mutable map from key hashes to arbitrary IPFS objects.
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<achin>
you could perhaps design your object like {current: hash_to_current_data, previous: hash_to_old_data}, it would be entirely up to you
<ion>
Well, rather previous: link_to_old_link_object
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<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] dignifiedquire created fix-build (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vKmzi
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js-ipfs/fix-build 3c70eaa dignifiedquire: fix: upgrade aegir and ensure glob is mocked...
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] dignifiedquire opened pull request #355: fix: upgrade aegir and ensure glob is mocked (master...fix-build) https://git.io/vKmz1
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[js-ipfs] dignifiedquire deleted greenkeeper-ipfs-bitswap-0.5.0 at 5d01b0b: https://git.io/vKmz7
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<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs-api] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #318: Update aegir to version 4.0.0
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[js-ipfs] dignifiedquire deleted greenkeeper-aegir-4.0.0 at 0d88c1b: https://git.io/vKmgV
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[js-ipfs] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to fix-build: https://git.io/vKmaH
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js-ipfs/fix-build 85b1f12 dignifiedquire: test(core): fix address to connect to
<ipfsbot>
[webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #423: Update karma to version 1.1.1
<sevcsik>
hi, is there a limit of the size of a DAG? I'm trying to add an 1.8GiB directory with 58k number of files
<sevcsik>
currently, I run out of memory after the first 200MiB, is it worth it to take them to another node with more RAM? :)
<ipfsbot>
[js-ipfs] dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to config-api: https://git.io/vKmwH
<ipfsbot>
js-ipfs/config-api d5e3eb3 dignifiedquire: refactor(config): use lodash.get .set
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<whyrusleeping>
sevcsik: what version of ipfs?
<sevcsik>
whyrusleeping: 0.4.2
<whyrusleeping>
sevcsik: master should no longer have that issue
<whyrusleeping>
our next release will be within two weeks
<sevcsik>
that's good to hear, thanks
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<sevcsik>
whyrusleeping: it works with master, cheers
<whyrusleeping>
sevcsik: awesome, thanks for trying that and reporting back :)
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<jlstack>
Does anyone know the status of the py-ipfs-api project?
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<lgierth>
fml, here i am reintroducing --unrestricted-api
<lgierth>
jlstack: we gave someone access to maintain it a few weeks ago
<lgierth>
other than that, it doesn't have an official status
<ntninja>
It's status is: It tends to fall apart more often than not :-/
<ntninja>
jlstack (IRC): ^
<ntninja>
I tried fixing it up, but that didn't go very far
<jlstack>
Any idea as to why? I am looking to contribute, but there has not been much recent activity or acknowledged issues.
<lgierth>
we're very very happy about people contributing to it -- we don't currently have any of the core devs dedicated to it because golang and js are priority, but we're happy if py-ipfs-api gets some love
<ntninja>
Well, the way it tries to dispatch `ipfs add` currently "maybe has worked in IPFS 0.3.x" (quote from core dev)
<ntninja>
Almost all unit tests are broken (many because of the weird `ipfs add` behaviour)
<jlstack>
I was a little confused as to how the module really works. Are you really capable of adding content to a node with only the ip and port of that node?
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<lgierth>
yes, if you can access the api port (usually 5001) -- the http-to-ipfs gateway (usually 8080) will be able to do that too (it's currently hidden behind the Gateway.Writable config option)
<ntninja>
Yes if the API port (usually 5001) is exposed
<jlstack>
I currently have a node set up in a Docker container and connected to it with the module. It just surprised me that there was no necessary authentication.
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<jlstack>
It makes sense though that if the owner of the node leaves that port open, it is fair game.
<lgierth>
don't ever leave that port open
<lgierth>
it's what the cli uses to communicate with the daemon, so it grants you pretty wide control over the node
<jlstack>
good to know
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<lgierth>
we're looking into authentication themes for :5001
<lgierth>
"api tokens" issues in ipfs/notes
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<jlstack>
ntninja what are the issues with the current implementation? I'd just like as much information on known problems as possible so I can know where my efforts are best spent.
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<ntninja>
The data the current implementation sends when uploading directory trees to the daemon (which happens in a single HTTP request) is faulty
<jlstack>
I see. There are actually multiple people on my team that are looking to contribute. If there are any other known issues, we do have people that can work in parallel on these issues.
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<ntninja>
jlstack (IRC): It's very hard to tell, since almost all unit tests are broken
<lgierth>
js-ipfs-api is probably the best reference material for now
<lgierth>
go-ipfs-api works fine but a tiny bit outdated, interface-wise
<ntninja>
Among other things the responses sent by the daemon are different now that they used to be back in the 0.3.x
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<ntninja>
lgierth (IRC): For looking at the raw HTTP sent, it's IMHO the easiest to just use Wireshark to compare the data sent by `ipfs …` with the data sent by the current Python implementation
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<ntninja>
Do you know if there were any new extension added to the daemon in 0.4.x besides MFS?
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<lgierth>
many of the api commands have changed slightly, like added options
<lgierth>
but mfs is the only big one
<lgierth>
check out the core api spec and model it after that
<lgierth>
(not that there's a *lot* of spec in there yet...) :)
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<jlstack>
ok, well we will try to get up to speed with it all and will be looking to contribute in the coming weeks.
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<ntninja>
The most important thing currently would be to get the tests (and their underlying functionality) fixed
<lgierth>
maybe first run it against the latest 0.3.x to make sure that it really captures that state
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<lgierth>
just to avoid confusion
<ntninja>
Also I did some quick greps for missing features: most of repo, node, stat, (possibly) tar, diag, records
<jlstack>
are you implying that the tests themselves are broken, or that the module needs to go back to passing the tests?
<ntninja>
Both
<ntninja>
Since the output types of the daemon changed, the tests fail with stuff like `KeyError`, etc
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<jlstack>
I see. They just need to be tweaked then.
<ntninja>
(usually it's pretty straight-forward to figure out what needs to be changed by looking at the expected and the real result)
<ntninja>
Yes
<jlstack>
ok. That doesnt sound too bad.
<lgierth>
the other two python maintainears are amstocker and alexander255
<jlstack>
ok. Thank you for your time.
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<computerfreak>
u guys think it would be reliable, to make syncthing using ipfs insted of ''torrent tracker'' ?
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<brownie_>
hello! trying to play around with IPFS, but for whatever reason, whenever i'm running the daemon, within minutes it disconnects my wifi and i have to switch off my wifi driver/reconnect to get it again. anyone else run ino this issue?
<lgierth>
brownie_: that's likely the many connections troubling your router or wifi driver
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: did we have a separate metaissue for these problems? ^
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<whyrusleeping>
there was one about 'ipfs kills routers'
<whyrusleeping>
Kubuxu had that problem himself IIRC
<Kubuxu>
Yup, still having it at my parent's. Where I am right now.
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<brownie_>
is there a way to limit connections so i can use ipfs?
<M-wkennington>
Ipfs kills itself regularly
<M-wkennington>
:p
<whyrusleeping>
M-wkennington: you should give a newer version a try. I've had master running on a node with 512 MB of ram for five days now
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<M-wkennington>
It just starts failing to add peers and eventually can't talk to the swarm anymore
<M-wkennington>
I'm using 0.4.2
<M-wkennington>
I guess I need to try a git version
<whyrusleeping>
there are a few issues in 0.4.2 related to that that have been resolved recently
<M-wkennington>
I need to run some nodes in a verbose mode
<M-wkennington>
Oh okay
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<brownie_>
when trying to update ipfs by installing ipfs-update using the listed go get command, the command executes fine, but when i type in ipfs update, it still says ipfs-update not installed
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<ianopolous>
The IPFS conference sounds awesome
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<lgierth>
it's really not supposed to be a conf :)
<lgierth>
alu: is this right now?
<alu>
yeah live
<lgierth>
thanks alu, watching :)
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<ianopolous>
lgierth: sorry, workshop. :-)
<lgierth>
ianopolous: haha it's fine :) do you fancy coming to lisbon for that?
<lgierth>
we'll have some more info on that shortly
<ianopolous>
I know I read the PR ;-)
<ianopolous>
I super fancy coming to lisbon
<ianopolous>
as it's a mon-tuesday I might come the weekend before as well
<lgierth>
ah cool
<lgierth>
that's great to hear
<ianopolous>
might bring some of my team as well :-)
<ianopolous>
(one of them is from lisbon)
<lgierth>
i'm really excited, this can be a really nice two days
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<Guest23234[m]>
IPFS is said to be permanent. However, it appears as though files added to IPFS are no longer available if the node from which they are added is terminated (and after all other nodes garbage collect the file).
<Guest23234[m]>
So is a file added to IPFS really "permanent"?
<achin>
if you pin a file on your node, it will be there forever, until your node stops working, or you unpin/delete the file
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<Guest23234[m]>
So for a file to be permanent after the node from which it was added is terminated, it must be pinned by one or more other nodes.
<achin>
so if you are browsing an IPFS site and you find some context you think is important to keep around, you can pin the files, thus making them permanently available (to you and to everyone else on the network)
<Guest23234[m]>
Okay. Seems like the branding of IPFS as a "permanent web" isn't exactly correct unless all files are pinned by at least one node.
<achin>
as with most things, you have to view it in the right context. and it does take a little bit of explaining
<mythmon>
Guest23234[m]: it is feasible to keep any content on ipfs indefinitely. that isn't true of the traditional web
<achin>
it looks like the ipfs.io homepage isn't using the "permantent web" tagline as prominently
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<shadoxx>
Guest23234[m]: the idea is that once the network scales the "important" content (ie the content that people are actually viewing) is replicated on enough nodes that it becomes "permanent"
<shadoxx>
that's where permanence comes in. right now, the network is small enough that, yes, if you run a node and upload a file, unless another gateway or node has requested and pinned that file, it's just gone until you bring your node back up
<lgierth>
yeah i see how "permanent" can be confusing -- think about it as a permanent web of files. the web is the links between files, and these links don't change because they're content-addressed. persistence of the files is a different problem :)
<lgierth>
so technically the web itself is permanent
<achin>
the linkage part is a good point
<lgierth>
"the permanent web" is both about persistence, and the permanence of the links, we just haven't gotten to the persistence part properly yet
<achin>
if you browse to a funny cat pic on imgur, and save it to your computer, you have a permanet copy. but if imgur goes down, every link to that picture is now severed. at least with the traditional web. that link would remain in the IPFS world
<shadoxx>
lgierth: ;]
<lgierth>
filecoin and ipfs-cluster are not too far away anymore though
<Guest23234[m]>
Agreed. IPFS would be a much better web for popular content (i.e. stuff that is being looked at "now"), however, the article I linked above (happens to be a top search result on google) quotes Juan Benet in a way that sets a bad expectation of IPFS in terms of persistence.
<lgierth>
achin: and i guess the confusion around the term permanence is why it's no longer prominently on the website ;)
<achin>
we're glad you stopped by to chat about it, Guest23234[m]
<lgierth>
Guest23234[m]: although i'm pretty sure the article also mentions that IPFS is a work in progress ;)
<Guest23234[m]>
Good point. Permanent (as in permalink) is a different concept than persistence.
<Guest23234[m]>
Is there a discussion about proposals for persistence in IPFS that I might read? Seems like there would be mutual benefit in "synergistic pinning" (i.e. I'll pin your stuff if you pin mine) so as to provide (such as
<shadoxx>
Guest23234[m]: and say you request that file and you have it saved locally. if you keep the ipfs daemon running, and someone else on the network you're on requests that same file, they'll get it from you first
<shadoxx>
again, with ipfs daemon running
<lgierth>
Guest23234[m]: yes, search the ipfs/notes repo for pinning, and ipfs-cluster
<achin>
Guest23234[m]: poke around the ipfs github repos, there is a lot of good converstation there, but it's spread out quite a bit across several issues
<Guest23234[m]>
K. Thanks.
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<Guest23234[m]>
For what it's worth, this is exactly what I was looking for. For some reason it doesn't come up on a google search. https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/58
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<mythmon>
Guest23234[m]: you may also be interested in Filecoin
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created fix/stdin-handling (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vKYd1
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/fix/stdin-handling 96433cc Jeromy: starting to rework stdin handling...
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #2952: starting to rework stdin handling (master...fix/stdin-handling) https://git.io/vKYdy