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<therealklanni[m]>
So I've been playing with `ipfs log tail`, and it prompted me to update my cli tool `jp` (https://github.com/therealklanni/jp) to make it even more fun to poke around in
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<therealklanni[m]>
Added a little plug for ipfs in the readme :)
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<therealklanni[m]>
So in the logs I noticed an even called handleAddProvider, which has a dag reference, I can `ipfs dag get <key>` but not sure what I can do with it from there
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<therealklanni[m]>
`ipfs object data <key>` tells a different story
<whyrusleeping>
therealklanni[m]: you can try `ipfs cat <hash>` and `ipfs ls <hash>` if they are files or directories
<whyrusleeping>
if dag get shows `Links` and `Data`, its probably unixfs
<whyrusleeping>
which means its likely a file or directory
<therealklanni[m]>
I tried cat/ls but it doesn't like it, seems to be a binary
<whyrusleeping>
odd, whats an example hash?
<whyrusleeping>
cat should work on pretty much everything
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<therealklanni[m]>
My problem was I wanted to xargs the lines through grep (e.g. `xargs -n1 -0`) but then I found `--line-buffered` so I don't need to do that
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<rovdyl>
ah, didn't know about jp. Found half of an image file with that /ipfs/QmQJy9ErLHVtfYo2k6ku4CCDVjKojQmgLHe6vrML6k1kGH
<therealklanni[m]>
Nice
<therealklanni[m]>
What are you using to view image fragments?
<rovdyl>
just feh
<therealklanni[m]>
ah
<therealklanni[m]>
I tried piping to `imgcat` but imgcat doesn't like fragments I guess
<rovdyl>
I guess not all image viewers are made equal. Loading it up in a browser works just fine though
<therealklanni[m]>
I wonder if these "images" are partial frames from videos
<therealklanni[m]>
That one you shared looked like a still from a video
<rovdyl>
possibly? doubt it, probably just a thumbnail or screenshot
<therealklanni[m]>
yeah probably
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<therealklanni[m]>
Found a site `ipfs ls QmWNUrCtA2aGxKDnVV8NmuFSy129ymvfoMYDt7YSv8VNt6/1As8nyiVibNzfjLiS1eCinYia2dK2ZgHiz`
<emunand[m]>
isn't there ipfs-search.com?
<emunand[m]>
or is that just to search the DHT?
<therealklanni[m]>
Sure, but most of the stuff listed is "dead"
<therealklanni[m]>
Get a lot of weird errors like Error: proto: bad wiretype for field unixfs_pb.Data.Type: got wiretype 2, want 0
<therealklanni[m]>
Error: proto: can't skip unknown wire type 7 for unixfs_pb.Data
<rovdyl>
just to check, this is the "jp" you're talking about? http://www.paulhammond.org/jp/ Almost impossible to search for these short-named tools. I'll probably just end up sticking with jq anyway, seems to do pretty similar stuff
<rovdyl>
that would explain why it's spitting errors at me
<rovdyl>
that looks better. I've just been trying to get jq to work with what you had
<therealklanni[m]>
jp is very similar, but is only focused on parsing JSON, not transforming it like jq does (works nicely with jq)
<rovdyl>
interesting
<therealklanni[m]>
Something I wrote for myself because I deal with JSON a lot for work, and I wanted something a bit easier to just format or drill into JSON data with
<rovdyl>
oh you wrote it! I was going to say, I didn't think ipfs was popular enough to be featured as one of the examples
<therealklanni[m]>
lol
<therealklanni[m]>
I added that feature earlier because of ipfs ;p
<therealklanni[m]>
brb
<rovdyl>
yeah this could be useful, thanks. Still haven't gotten output from that log-scraping command yet, though. Probably getting stuck looking up hashes it can't reach or something
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<rovdyl>
nevermind, think I was doing something wrong
<rovdyl>
never thought looking at a DHT would be so fascinating
<therealklanni[m]>
right?
<dsal>
I just IPFS'd that reedit of passengers someone did. It's in my slow network. heh
<therealklanni[m]>
seems like my scraper command dies after a few seconds :/
<therealklanni[m]>
I have to keep ^C and restart it
<rovdyl>
yeah it seems to keep getting stuck on something
<rovdyl>
isn't there a way to lower the timeout? Might be useful to just skip things it can't look-up immediately
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<therealklanni[m]>
Yeah, I'm sure the better way to do this would be with an actual program, but I just wanted to play around at first to see what I could find
<therealklanni[m]>
Might write a little util program once I understand the data better
<dsal>
Anybody running free pinning as a service?
<dsal>
I've got stuff I don't care about on an awful connection.
<rovdyl>
dsal: do you mean sharding? Some large files are broken up into smaller pieces
<dsal>
Yes, I know. I just don't know how to tell who's got all the parts.
<dsal>
findprovs only gives the container.
<rovdyl>
oh I see
<dsal>
I'd like to be able to ask "who has all of this?"
<dsal>
I'd have to script something, I guess.
<rovdyl>
well you can use object get to see the links, and then query individually those links
<rovdyl>
wait, klanni are those private keys?
<dsal>
links does the needful.
<dsal>
Just doesn't tell me who's got them all. I've got do that myself, create a set and find the intersection of all nodes for all parts.
<dsal>
Which is only one machine.
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<rovdyl>
yeah, sounds like you'd need a script to get that much detail about providers
<dsal>
It looks like QmSoLueR4xBeUbY9WZ9xGUUxunbKWcrNFTDAadQJmocnWm might have all my parts for some reason.
<dsal>
(uranus.i.ipfs.io)
<rovdyl>
someone must have loaded whatever you're talking about on the gateway
<dsal>
I did. heh.
<rovdyl>
well there ya go
<dsal>
It just seems to have actually grabbed all the parts, maybe.
<dsal>
It was almost playable on my LAN. Pretty dope.
<dsal>
(on my LAN by going out to the gateway and back)
<therealklanni[m]>
rovdyl: yeah seems to be private keys
<therealklanni[m]>
can't figure out what it belongs to, though
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<rovdyl>
something about it's structure seems familiar for some reason, but then again I'd imagine most JSON-formatted crypto-stuff will look like that
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<dsal>
Oh. The linked objects contain linked objects.
<dsal>
This structure doesn't work the way I thought it does.
<dsal>
Argh, that's inconvenient
<therealklanni[m]>
found your IoT heater again :P
<dsal>
I'm starting to think findprovs isn't doing the thing it suggests it's doing.
<dsal>
Every way I look at this file, it tells me there are three providers -- one of them is my laptop. My laptop only has about 150MB in ~/.ipfs
<dsal>
"can provide" might just mean, "I know a guy…"
<therealklanni[m]>
lol
<rovdyl>
dsal: yeah, it can be infinitely recursive. Don't quote me but I believe findprovs is just for the exact hash you enter, like you said, not necessarily children
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<rovdyl>
well no, I thought "can provide" means they actually have it, or at least should
<dsal>
Yeah. I keep digging down and everything I try returns all three of these hosts.
<dsal>
But my laptop definitely doesn't have all the parts.
<rovdyl>
weird
<dsal>
I guess I should write the script that gives me exact answers.
<dsal>
Anyone want to pin a GB?
<dsal>
(it's probably a good movie)
<rovdyl>
ha, well I'll cache it at least, if that helps
<rovdyl>
don't want it to use up space forever
<dsal>
I just want to write the "find all the parts" thing. See if I can come up with something that can be useful. QmbW7Q12NY6Sfj24KDUv91icG14VgYGkF3c7LPEafEoPcK
<dsal>
It's a movie I pulled out of someone's Google Drive. Doesn't have a lot of personal value.
<rovdyl>
well most of the time if someone has the root hash, they do *probably* have the whole file
<dsal>
Someone reedited Passengers to be better. I actually want to get around to watching it, but right now, it's just data. heh
<dsal>
It keeps telling me my laptop does, and I'm certain it doesn't.
<rovdyl>
did it at one point?
<dsal>
No, it never would have.
<dsal>
I started playing it on localhost, so it would've had a little bit of it.
<rovdyl>
yeah, wonder why it would do that
<dsal>
But definitely not the whole thing.
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<rovdyl>
oh, well that would explain it
<dsal>
Yeah, it'd explain why it's heard of the root.
<dsal>
But not why I can pull an arbitrary bit from the end and have it have that, too.
<rovdyl>
are you sure it's providing all the way down?
<dsal>
Oh wait!
<dsal>
I grabbed a bit out of the middle and that's only on my other machine.
<dsal>
So I guess maybe it grabbed a few blocks from the beginning and the end?
<rovdyl>
ha, so I'm not insane after all
<rovdyl>
maybe, could be a quirk of your media player
<dsal>
I was just using the browser thing via http.
<dsal>
But yeah, who knows. So everything claimed the root, all the toplevel blocks, and the beginning and end lowest level blocks.
<rovdyl>
well then a quirk of the browser's internal media player. or something at least seemed to be interested in the end
<dsal>
That would make sense.
<dsal>
In any case, it means I can make something to measure availability.
<rovdyl>
sounds like a neat project
<dsal>
Should really be built-in to the ipfs command, I think... though it might take a while.
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<rovdyl>
maybe as an extra flag for findprovs. like -r to check recursively
<rovdyl>
problem is, it would require people to download the whole thing beforehand
<rovdyl>
or at least for it to download it as it's looking
<rovdyl>
KUNK
<dsal>
It just needs to have the object references, right?
<rovdyl>
ha, woops
<rovdyl>
yeah, which requires having all of the objects
<rovdyl>
because any object could have references in it
<dsal>
oh. Damn.
<therealklanni[m]>
random image ipfs cat QmVEUxXTLJbGCzCZ7P6AdHwRwaqK6NoDx9jsxuriNrxwp9/BNClassicBackend/tmp/bfdb216c57c3b2e68333585d040205e1 | imgcat
<dsal>
This is the solution to a bug in camlistore, but the camlistore model is convenient because you know this ahead of time. But also, camlistore doesn't store all the stuff remotely.
<dsal>
I guess I mostly care about my own stuff, anyway.
<rovdyl>
well in theory there are ways to map out a hash tree in other ways, but just not in a way native to ipfs. Applications on-top can still interperet it, though, if they want this sort of feature
<rovdyl>
also klanni, my image is better /ipfs/Qmc7GwsdBbrFNgAvJ7bisCkSjT4djFkhsEYb71yLKuqSRj/KUNK-045.jpg
<therealklanni[m]>
ipfs doesn't really "store" your stuff remotely either, just makes it available for someone to get
<rovdyl>
yeah, it's just a base for people to build off of
<therealklanni[m]>
maybe I just had too much stuff running
<rovdyl>
well, it always boils down to that in some way
<therealklanni[m]>
I had like 5 terminals going, one just ipfs log tailing, one running the scraper, and another I was running individual commands in. Plus a couple others running odds and ends, like 50 browser tabs going (typical), and a bunch of other apps
<therealklanni[m]>
So, you know, just an average Friday night
<rovdyl>
I'll blame it on the browser. You can always blame it on the browser
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<xSkyripper>
Do you guys think a cordova-plugin for go-ipfs arm would be useful ? :D Might start implementing one myself
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<lgierth>
hello o/
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<dryajov>
xSkyripper seems like there is a cordova plugin that implements the node api - https://github.com/feross/chrome-net, assuming it works as advertised it should be pretty straight forward to load that instead of the ’net’ api in cordova environments.
<lgierth>
feross of course
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<dryajov>
;)
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<dsal>
Is there an easy way to get "ipfs dht findprovs" from the go API?
<dsal>
Neat. Thanks. It's missing from the API itself, but will do the needful.
<lgierth>
oh it is?
<lgierth>
:8080/api/v0 is a reduced version of :5001/api/v0
<dsal>
The "shell" API in go, that is
<lgierth>
ah got it
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<lgierth>
yeah that one needs a lot of work unforunately
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<dsal>
I wish it plumbed context. That's a major change.
<dsal>
What's it mean for an object to have both data and links?
* dsal
can't be bothered to read docs
<lgierth>
objects in the api sense are merkledag objects
<lgierth>
that's a data structure on top of blocks, which is being superseded by IPLD
<lgierth>
and unixfs is a datastructure on top of objects
<dsal>
I guess I should know more before trying to dig deeper.
<lgierth>
the unixfs functions are just add/cat/ls
<dsal>
Unixfs seems like it could be neat. Last night, I just wanted to write the "how available is my thing" tool
<lgierth>
note that findprovs will not give you 100% accurate results, just somewhat of an approximation. it's deeply tied to content routing
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<lgierth>
i.e. there might be providers of the stuff you're looking for which don't show up in findprovs
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<lgierth>
or, less likely, nodes that show up in findprovs might have deleted the stuff in the meantime
<lgierth>
provider records expire after a while but it's a possibility
<lgierth>
the only purpose of content routing is an as-good-possible effort to get you to someone who has it
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<dsal>
Yeah. I'm not looking for accuracy, just a feeling of safety. I've got objects that only exist in one place.
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<dsal>
So, I've observed the response type of "4" is what I should pay attention to, but I don't know why. Is there a pointer to what findprovs returns?
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<dsal>
In the meantime, my thing works.
<dsal>
2017/05/06 11:52:55 2 providers for QmZg7qpk7PxXPLxFtXDxmzzUdfUeiDSdp8yXEy7tigwQ23
* dsal
lunches
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<dsal>
That's recursively following links and confirming I have enough replicas of all the things.
<xSkyripper>
dryajov: thanks ! I'll give it a look. It's another option aswell. Now I'm trying to implement a cordova plugin that fetches the arm binaries and "summon" a daemon through runtime in java :D
<xSkyripper>
As we all know go-ipfs is more complete ATM and that might come in handy using only the js-api :)
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<lgierth>
Magik6k: <3<3<3
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<TUSF>
Why does the documentation for `ipfs key gen` make it sound like `type` and `size` are optional, even though it's going to force us to specify it anyways?
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<lgierth>
TUSF: mmh! you're right, these square brakcets shouldn't be there
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<lgierth>
i think you can fix it by setting the commands options to be required
<lgierth>
in core/commands/keystore.go
<dsal>
lgierth: imo, they should be optional. That threw me off.
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<imvr>
Hi, I need a very clear answer on something. If I start sharing something with ipfs, is it visible that I initiated that or I am shown like I am just someone who participates in downloading/uploading ?
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<TUSF>
I don't think anyone would know you were the first sharer, unless they're the first retrieve it and you're the only uploader? I'm not sure if there would be any other way.
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<lgierth>
imvr: every provider looks the same. but people can scan the network and be reasonably sure that you're the first. but they can't be sure whether you're the actual source of the data, or just the first to bring it into the network
<imvr>
What about cyber crime law enforcement analysis ?
<imvr>
I am just trying to push this to the extreme to have a clear picture
<lgierth>
ipfs will get anonymity functions in the future, e.g. tor/onion integration, but right now that's what it is
<imvr>
Yeah I actually offered money someone to do this a while ago but nobody responded
<imvr>
TOR integration
<lgierth>
imvr: the anonymity model right now is roughly the same as with bittorrents
<lgierth>
(except there's no .torrent files)
<imvr>
Its extremely funny how people dismiss IPFS
<lgierth>
yeah tor/onion integration is fucking hard ;)
<imvr>
It makes total sense for IPFS to be the next thing
<imvr>
how some people dismiss *
<lgierth>
thanks, i think so too
<lgierth>
well it's obviously not yet perfect
<imvr>
Sure, nothing is perfect
<lgierth>
and there's a number of use cases where it just doesn't fit yet
<lgierth>
so sometimes other stuff is indeed the better solution. but ipfs does work pretty well for many use cases, and for the others it's improving
<imvr>
Was IPFS in any way inspired by blockchain ?
<lgierth>
i'm not sure what you with blockchain
<lgierth>
*waht you mean
<TUSF>
From my understanding, IPFS is more like a marriage between git and BitTorrent.
<lgierth>
blockchain is a huge buzzword nowadays and has very little meaning, so it's hard to respond ;)
<imvr>
Well, perhaps the invention of blockchain was something that played a role at least in motivating the IPFS developers
<imvr>
Or is it a totally irrelevant project ?
<lgierth>
if you mean bitcoin and ethereum and the like: they haven't been inspiration, but it turns out ipfs is a good building block for these kinds of systems
<imvr>
right right
<lgierth>
git repos are blockchains too ;)
<lgierth>
the novelty of bitcoin is the consensus mechanism, not the blockchain
<imvr>
In what ways exactly IPFS will server as a building block for these systems ?
<imvr>
wil server *
<imvr>
will serve *
<lgierth>
data storage and networking layer
<lgierth>
put an ipfs hash into a block or transaction
<lgierth>
and the transactions and blocks themselves can be stored in ipfs too
<lgierth>
it's just one huge long datastructure of things pointing at the previous thing
<lgierth>
ipfs is ideal for it
<imvr>
I am just really curious, right now if you initiate a torrent, you have more liability than those who just share it, is it the same case with ipfs ?
<lgierth>
what you say about torrent liability, that depends hugely on the jurisdiction you're in. in germany where i live, anyone who seeds is on the hook
<lgierth>
and yes it's roughly the same with ipfs
<lgierth>
don't use it for bad bits
<lgierth>
there's gonne be improvements in the future especially around anonymity, and reader privacy, but well, in the future
<imvr>
then we need TOR integration, I am not exactly in favor of violating copyright but I think resisting some of it makes sense
<imvr>
I've heard that openbazaar got something like tor integration that matches ipfs, you happen to know anything about it ?
<r0kk3rz>
violating copyright is only a side issue, broadcasting a list of every webpage you visit is probably the main one
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<TUSF>
You know, `ipfs pubsub sub` should allow us to choose the format it displays the content. For example, the HTTP API gives a nice parse-able JSON output with the Data and PeerID, but using it through the CLI makes it impossible to tell one message apart from another...
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<TUSF>
So add a `--format` parameter, and allow JSON and some other human readable format.
<demize>
Patches welcome?
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<TUSF>
I'm allergic to work. But I might get around to that...
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<dsal>
So, this findprovs thing -- how long should I wait?
<dsal>
It's a streaming response, so I'm just setting a context timeout of 5s and that seems to do the thing.
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<dsal>
Hmm... Some of my requests are running for longer than a minute. That's unexpected.