<M-anomie>
whyrusleeping: Oh wow, you people continue to impress me.
<whyrusleeping>
its not yet where we want it
<whyrusleeping>
it requires you to be running a daemon
<M-anomie>
Ah. How can I make sure I know when it bundles its own daemon?
<whyrusleeping>
follow that issue
<M-anomie>
Ah, I should have figured that out.
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<wak-work[m]>
it's kinda nice that it can use the system daemon though if you want a common cache
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<wak-work[m]>
hopefully it will allow using a common daemon when bundling support is added
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<katamori>
hi guys, question: do you know any decent chat group on Telegram about IPFS, or at the very least, Ethereum?
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<jab_>
ipfs is super interesting project, finally understanding it how it works and how to use it.
<jab_>
curious, when I publish, I experience latency of 10s during that operation and also 10-20s when refreshing from remote gateway (https://ipfs.io/ipns/). is this normal latency?
<Mateon1>
I think this is just the DHT being slow
<jab_>
also, local gateway from daemon has similar latency but anecdotally faster.
<jab_>
I've read ipfs will use DHT to query for freshest value on network, so even if you're hosting/publishing on your PC it still performs this operation which causes the latency.
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<jab_>
Mateon1, is this your experience as well?
<Mateon1>
Yes, that's my experience, unfortunately
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<jab_>
Some of the videos that include demos seem to run very fast. Is that because they don't peer to anyone else?
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<Mateon1>
I'm not sure, it might just be good connectivity, or it might be a small IPFS network
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<pawn>
Mateon1: That's the idea I had actually. I was going to create a modular (hackable) browser using electron, then provide a module for IPFS support and what not. Get it all working. I'd add the idea for a "petnames" protocol (which would be like a sort of automatic bookmarks feature)
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<pawn>
Hey, when you unpin a file is it still cached somewhere?
<pawn>
It seems like the file is just downloading way too fast
<tangent128>
It may or may not still be cached; unpinning just means there's no longer a promise it is cached
<pawn>
How can I guarantee to wipe it from my ipfs node?
<pawn>
Also, once I add it to ipfs, does it get distributed to other nodes automatically, or does it need to be requested by another node?
<tangent128>
It has to be requested; it only gets stored on nodes that ask for it..
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<Mateon1>
Pawn, in order to remove unpinned content you need to run `ipfs repo gc`. All unpinned content will be deleted
<pawn>
So when I did ipfs get ... that just copied it from my repo's cache
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<Mateon1>
pawn: Yep
<Mateon1>
Well, anyway I have to go for now. Good night
<pawn>
So when I do ipfs get it's like wget?
<pawn>
It just saves the file in the cwd?
<pawn>
Mateon1: Night!
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<Mateon1>
Yes, it chooses the default filename from the path, and you can override it with -o like in wget
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<pawn>
However it doesn't save the file to my own node's repo
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<pawn>
How does a client find a file by it's hash? What's the algorithm behind this? Is it a DFS or BFS of some kind? I'm new to networking in general (I don't even know what a NAT traversal is), but I'm curious if this can be explained without too much prior knowledge in network routing?
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<pawn>
M-anomie: Is this regarding the routing question?
<pawn>
M-anomie: I'll be sure to be online and I'll be constantly asking questions until I get learn everything I can. I really want to use IPFS to implement a browser.
<whyrusleeping>
:)
<whyrusleeping>
pawn: ipfs uses a sloppy dht to perform lookups
<pawn>
whyrusleeping: sloppy? Is that a technical term?
<whyrusleeping>
it is, actually
<M-anomie>
Is there an easy way to tell how big a folder is?
<timthelion[m]>
Is it normal that running a gateway on a powerfull VPS should take 30-70% CPU all the time and noticibly slow the VPS?
<cblgh>
also looks like you've secured some funding from places, glad to hear :3
<cblgh>
dat / ssb / ipfs / ethereum are all so exciting
<timthelion[m]>
I don't really understand why ipfs takes so much cpu on the VPS. I have the daemon running on my laptop and top doesn't report any CPU for it. How do I tell what is making the VPS daemon instance turn? Is it people connecting to it via HTTP, or the DHT or what?
<tidux>
yeah that's normal timthelion[m]
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<tidux>
I run a gateway and I see reasonable CPU load even on a dual socket Xeon sometimes
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<timthelion[m]>
What causes it?
<tidux>
there are some protocol issues that lead to this load, but they're being worked on
<tidux>
1. IPNS is crap
<timthelion[m]>
Aha
<tidux>
2. every time you download a block it gets announced that you have it
<tidux>
this means that downloading, say, 10GB of data is like a DoS
<timthelion[m]>
And why does the gateway have so much load but my laptop not have the problem?
<tidux>
because your gateway is a) used by way more people and b) doing a bunch more work
<tidux>
if you don't have it placed behind nginx you should
<timthelion[m]>
How can I tell if anyone is using it?
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<timthelion[m]>
Is there like a "show me the number of visitors today" command?
<tidux>
that's why you put it behind nginx
<tidux>
so you can look at nginx access logs
<timthelion[m]>
I guess, since this is unix, the proxying web server (lighttpd in this case) could tell me those things.
<timthelion[m]>
OK
<tidux>
yeah lighttpd would work too
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<timthelion[m]>
Do you have ngnix set up to do caching or why does ngnix help?
<tidux>
caching does almost nothing for IPFS yet, the real benefit is having nginx handle all the external connections and state
<tidux>
so there's just a bunch of internal traffic between nginx and the ipfs daemon
<tidux>
it's a fairly common deployment pattern for web applications - write your own baked in simple HTTPd and reverse-proxy it out through a more general purpose webserver
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<timthelion[m]>
one would think that ipfs would be ultimately the most cachable of all peices of software.
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<jbenet>
hey everyone, i wanted to drop this here https://protocol.ai/blog/protocol-labs-creating-new-networks/ -- everyone here is a part of the Protocol Labs extended network -- Protocol Labs is funding most of the core dev work and as it succeeds it will be better able to fund more and more projects. I have some posts coming soon that will talk about interesting
<jbenet>
possibilities to fund lots of work on open source
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<testing833864>
Hi, is this channel just for devs or equivalent to a #general on a slack?
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<r0kk3rz>
testing833864: mostly general, bit of dev stuff too
<lemmi>
jbenet: awesome :)
<testing833864>
jbenet: I'm interested in learning if Filecoin's presale will really only be available to accredited investors. Is this something you would reconsider?
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<Kubuxu>
testing833864: this question and many others will be answered in a blog post we will have out very soon
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<testing833864>
Kubuxu: thanks. I hope you guys keep the spirit of decentralization and have a very inclusive process :-)
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<jbenet>
testing833864 we also have to take into account the spirit of what's legal.
<jbenet>
testing833864 a lot of sales so far will likely get people in trouble in the coming years
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<drewolson>
if i publish a pinned hash to my ipns name, stop my node for a week or so and then reconnect, should i still be able to resolve that ipns name?
<drewolson>
ipns resolution seems very inconsistent and slow for me
<testing833864>
jbenet: thanks
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<cblgh>
jbenet: oho oho that sounds really interesting!
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<jbenet>
testing833864> but i totally hear you. wish it was different :)
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<markedfinesse>
i'm running go-ipfs on an i686 digitalocean box with 1gig of ram. the thing is constantly using 25% of my memory and cpu (spiking to higher values). is this normal / expected?
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<markedfinesse>
i'm on the latest release (i was seeing the same behavior on the previous release)
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<Kubuxu>
and I am writing a response but he is gone :|
<Kubuxu>
and he is back
<markedfinesse>
i'm back!
<markedfinesse>
:)
<Kubuxu>
markedfinesse: right now, yes. It is due to how many connections we establish currently. We will be working in future to reduce it
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<markedfinesse>
Kubuxu: thanks. i'm excited about ipfs but the current memory requirements are a bit high. i'm using this box for other things as well.
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<Kubuxu>
yeah, it is just the network grew faster than we anticipated
<Kubuxu>
which is essentially a good thing
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<fluff[m]>
hey folks, trying to get ipfs-cluster running from home to a remote VPS, via "ipfs-cluster-ctl peers add <multiaddr is here>" and am getting a 500 error.. both computers have ipfs and ipfs-cluster-service daemons running. Anything else I might need to do to clear this pathway?
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<emunand[m]>
would ipfs be protected from anti-net neutrality?
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<tidux>
net neutrality is a meme
<tidux>
IPFS has nothing to worry about unless they start doing DPI and blocking classes of traffic outright
<M-anomie>
Even then, you just to find some peers somewhere, not necessarily through your isp.
<M-anomie>
*Need to
<engdesart>
Unless ISPs decide to throttle anything not in a whitelist to a crawl, at least.
<fluff[m]>
A mesh network using IPFS wouldn't need ISPs, that circumvents anti-net neutrality. Quite a ways off though
<emunand[m]>
but you would still need to be connected to the internet, and the most convienient way is through isps
<emunand[m]>
at least, to update hashsites and ipfs itself
<davidl>
emunand[m] so far. I just started hosting some ipfs stuff on cjdns, works great :-)
<fluff[m]>
afaik you can serve IPFS content without an internet connection, just need a network
<emunand[m]>
oh, so even an adhoc network would work?
<davidl>
any network with an ip address, right?
<fluff[m]>
I haven't done it myself but that's my understanding, yes
<M-anomie>
Basically anything supported by libp2p.
<davidl>
the routing protocol (cjdns, OSPF, EIGRP, whatever) nor the layer 2 protocol (Wifi-802.11, Ethernet, etc) doesn't matter.
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<M-anomie>
Could I use ipfs to organize a sneakernet (physical transportation of offline media) network? Could I hack that into libp2p or something?
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<xloem1>
I wonder if putting the .ipfs dir into git-annex would work to track which sneakernet nodes had which content
<xloem1>
i guess what's the point, you could just use git-annex alone by then, but it wouldn't connect you to a global store
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<fluff[m]>
afaik you'd just have to have hashes + all of access points on the same network. ipfs cluster (which I'm trying to get running, it's a little tough to use) automates locally pinning hashes across a network
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<fluff[m]>
So long your mesh stretches as far as it needs to, that could be used to propagate content instead of physically moving content via flash drives etc, while still keeping everything "offline" or off the internet proper. I think. I'm not so up on the mesh part yet.
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<tidux>
lol
<tidux>
sneakernet still beats meshnet for throughput if you're moving more than a few terabytes
<tidux>
and if the transport disk is LUKS or some other trusted crypto, then you can be sure it wasn't tampered with
<M-anomie>
^
<M-anomie>
Hell, may be nice to integrate LUKS into the transport layer.
<tidux>
lol
<M-anomie>
You know, so content based addressing still works.
<M-anomie>
If I'm not disrupting anything, there's another unorthodox use case I'd like to ask about.
<M-anomie>
Some poeple have so much data, they can't practically have all their data accessible at once. I'd like to be able to have some kind of hook that can shoot me a text message or email when someone requests a file that is offline atm, and hot-swap a drive so that it gets to them eventually. Is this feasible?
<tidux>
that's retarded
<tidux>
just buy a JBOD chassis and wire up all your drives at once
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<xloem1>
not retarded for those on a smaller budget, or e.g personally I'm homeless but store lots of data on swapped drives. using git-annex to solve that atm.
<sdgathman>
If power is an issue, buy some USB hubs that actually implement the mandatory USB power control features that are even included in every chipset (as opposed to the more common practice of leaving the chipset pins unconnected and wiring +5 to Vcc).
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<xloem1>
f00f i guess you'd have to write code to listen to the dht network for requests, or lie to it about what you have
<sdgathman>
Personally, I also have limited budget and space. But backups are essential. Your offline drives should be backups. Any new drive you buy is going to be much bigger - so copy your older smaller drives to it, and keep them as backup.
<Mateon1>
tidux: Even a "dumb" bay/drive chassis without a raid controller costs a very significant amount, about 50 dollars for a 4 drive bay.
<tidux>
lol $50 is significant now?
<tidux>
that's nothing
<Mateon1>
Well, to me it is
<Mateon1>
It's several months of saving, I'm a poor student
<xloem1>
does the dht allow storing high latency sources?
<tidux>
unless you're literally chewing dirt for food I don't see how it can take you months to save $50, but whatever
<xloem1>
it must if ipfs' goal is really interplanetary
<sdgathman>
xloem1: ++
<sdgathman>
Mateon1: I put older but working perfectly stuff on free-cycle. Have you checked the equivalent in your area?
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<Mateon1>
sdgathman: I have not heard of that, I need to search a bit
<sdgathman>
Also, I find laptops in the rubbish that don't work overall, but often have good components, like drives.
<sdgathman>
I'm using a very nice laptop that had a broken screen. New LCD - $50.
<M-anomie>
sdgathman: What kind of bins do you find those in?
<sdgathman>
In front of the house in suburbia.
<sdgathman>
People put out their stuff, like furniture, that they know could be repurposed - but they just don't have time to deal with it.
<sdgathman>
My friend down the street found *2* gas generators in the rubbish that just needed the carburetor cleaned and adjusted. Now they work perfectly.
<sdgathman>
The more affluent the suburb, the less time they have to deal with re-purposing stuff, and the nicer the finds.
<sdgathman>
Up to a point - where you have gated communities and no hoi-polloi allowed.
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<sdgathman>
I'm in Northern Virginia. I have a Dell 440SC server with 4G ram and two 500G drives for freecycle.
<tidux>
even those types will sometimes take their stuff to a recycling center
<tidux>
I got a complete working iMac in a place like that
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<xelra>
I thought it would be years to go until filecoin became a thing. Is it already time? Damn, time passes so fast.
<M-anomie>
So, should I invest in hard drives now?
<tidux>
HDDs are pretty cheap right now so why not
<tidux>
SSDs are still a bit more expensive than normal but should be correcting shortly
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<M-anomie>
When will ipfs allow for more delay tolerance? Soon™? I really think IPFS and Delay Tolerant Networking would go well together.
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