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<whyrusleeping>
that 5GB of idle traffic would go down a lot if everyone updated to 0.4.9
<whyrusleeping>
older versions of ipfs were a lot more chatty
<whyrusleeping>
and a lot of people are still running those
<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: what do you mean by 'you people'?
<whyrusleeping>
i don't think i said 'you people'
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<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: good. and I just got the others up to 0.4.9...they were 0.4.8 because I did the exact same path mistake
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<xelra>
I actually got a letter from my provider telling me that my network might be compromised and that I shoud take measures to fix it.
<SchrodingersScat>
ahahahaha
<SchrodingersScat>
xelra: did they tell you to turn it off then on again?
<xelra>
No, it contained something about botnets.
<lemmi>
"I like my networks compromised this way"
<xelra>
The datacenter of my server also wrote an e-mail and complained about mdns.
<xelra>
I just firewalled it all off.
<lemmi>
ipfs init should almost have a option for server configs
<SchrodingersScat>
almost?
<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: i was simply trying to paint you as a racist
<lemmi>
almost definitely
<whyrusleeping>
lemmi: what sort of option?
<whyrusleeping>
the 'i am running this in the cloud' option?
<whyrusleeping>
SchrodingersScat: hrm. thats not very nice
<lemmi>
whyrusleeping: something like that
<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: I kid, I kid.
<lemmi>
whyrusleeping: blocking some of the known ip ranges that make trouble
<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: I do it because I love you and I wasn't raise right.
<whyrusleeping>
lemmi: yeah, having some preconfigured config settings for that would be nice
<whyrusleeping>
SchrodingersScat: mmmmmm, i'm watching you
<SchrodingersScat>
every breath I take, every step I take, you'll be watching me
<xelra>
Yeah. A --server option would be nice.
<whyrusleeping>
I *am* sting
<whyrusleeping>
i'll file an issue about that
<SchrodingersScat>
there's that option to turn off mdns something or other, is that the config we're talking about? cause I turned that off and it seemed to make my router/modem cry less
<lemmi>
whyrusleeping: maybe also link the issue with the compiled list of bad ip-ranges
<xelra>
That letter from my provider actually was redirected from my national intelligence agency. When I first read the topic, I was kinda startled, because I never expected to receive an e-mail from them. ;P
<lemmi>
SchrodingersScat: that, and you may want to block private ranges
<lemmi>
maybe there are even more reasonable settings to do. or then options specifically for non-servers. like defaulting to dhtclient maybe
<SchrodingersScat>
xelra: they think you are a spy for precedent drumpf?
<SchrodingersScat>
it could be --not-server and it could make ipfs less of an ass
<whyrusleeping>
lemmi: yeah, defaulting to dhtclient is something i've wanted to do
<whyrusleeping>
i havent started pushing that yet though because we need to add more formal testing around behaviour when large portions of the network are operating in dhtclient mode
<lemmi>
whyrusleeping: also: i'd like to package dht-node. but for that i need dht-node to have a release and a version number
<whyrusleeping>
lemmi: i can do that
<lemmi>
whyrusleeping: could you maybe just tag a 0.0.1 version or something?
<xelra>
Apprently they're scanning the net for security issues. The e-mail contained something about a specific exploit regarding mdns and how attacker are currently using it.
<sriku>
Mateon1: I think the swarm.key is used only to decide whether to connect to a peer or not.
<sriku>
Mateon1: ... still, I'm getting an effective transfer rate of 300kBps or so on lo0 !
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<Jomari>
Good Day, New here. I heard this is a good community to join if I am interested in advancing the peer-2-peer algorithms around discovery, search to optimize efficiency and speed.
<sriku>
Jomari: Welcome ... from another newbie here :)
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<Jomari>
Howdy sriku!
<Jomari>
So there is no history for these discussions? I would hate to bring up old topics.
<Jomari>
never mind. i see logs
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<Jomari>
Currently the main log reference is the following: look at github.com/ipfs/papers github.com/ipfs/specs (particularly network) and github.com/ipfs/faq
<Jomari>
Is this still the best resource
<sriku>
Jomari: I think those still stand. The github issues/PRs have lots of discussion on various topics. I've come to the IRC after spending considerable time on those.
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<whyrusleeping>
Jomari: take a look at ipfs/notes
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<whyrusleeping>
thats where most discussion type stuff happens
<Jomari>
You seem to be a long time part of this community. I know very little about the work being done. So I am catching up. I do hear IPFS name drpped a lot
<Jomari>
So yeah, I definitely have some reading to do. I work with QRL (a post quantum cryptography based blockchain network) and we are trying to find out how we can push forward this area, because we know that we have to pick up efficiency and speed somewhere given the larger size of our signatures.
<Jomari>
I hope to be able to bring on someone explicitly to contribute to advancing the peer-2-peer network algos.
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<vorshtein>
Hello! I'm trying to use ipfs-js ipfs.files.cat function. According to the documentation (https://github.com/ipfs/interface-ipfs-core/tree/master/API/files#cat) the ipfsPath variable can be either a multihash or a hash as string, or a string with hash and file path
<vorshtein>
however, calling it with a path like node.files.cat("QmeqdQpxusc6FHTLNMQpHapoVMbPHB2ofrnukJnuZZdBpW/master.m3u8", function (err, res) { ... }) doesn't work
<vorshtein>
I get this: Uncaught Error: Non-base58 character
<vorshtein>
doing cat with plain hashes works fine however
<vorshtein>
Am I doing something wrong or is it possibly broken?
<whyrusleeping>
vorshtein: hrm... i would personally say that feels broken
<whyrusleeping>
but i'm not the javascript team
<whyrusleeping>
you should definitely file an issue
<vorshtein>
whyrusleeping: ok thanks!
<whyrusleeping>
i want a linux iso that can be specified via ipld
<whyrusleeping>
so that each sub-component can be individually signed off
<whyrusleeping>
and reviewed
<whyrusleeping>
just having a hash of an ISO really isnt that great of a security model
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<M-hash>
whyrusleeping: i need some code review on... That you know :3
<whyrusleeping>
M-hash: oh yeah???
<M-hash>
Mmhm
<M-hash>
Also I just home-sweet-SFO'd
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<whyrusleeping>
nice
<whyrusleeping>
youve been gone a while
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<Jomari>
BAY AREA!
<Jomari>
V-town here. Welcome back to the Bay!
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<Jomari>
jomari@ theqrl. organization take our anization for the email. if anyone has additional info to send.
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<tomatopeel>
What do people in here think about the BigchainDB project, and IPDB and all that?
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<SchrodingersScat>
tomatopeel: tell me more?
<tomatopeel>
SchrodingersScat: Well I've just been thinking about what it's going to look like to tackle this whole "big data" problem. I mean we need ginormous distributed and secure databases, right? But how's that going to look in a perfect future... Is it really going to be some mongos wrapped by some blockchaining transaction process, or... I don't know... I need to spend some time studying IPFS and figure out how a DB
<tomatopeel>
is not a filesystem and... yeah just everything
<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: how close are we to the perfect future?
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<SchrodingersScat>
I didn't get caught up with communists here did I?
<tomatopeel>
I get it, it's Sunday afternoon, you don't want to talk about databases
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<karthik_>
tomatopeel: do you see any similar projects or siblings of bigchaindb type ?
<tomatopeel>
karthik_: looking at the awesome ipfs thing, it seems orbit has an orbitdb component
<tomatopeel>
I mean I need to spend some significant time on this but I was wondering if there were some ipfs nerds lurking around who may already have some long-winded critique of this stuff for my reading pleasure heh
<karthik_>
tomatopeel: ah yes. Orbitdb. It looks more like a redux alternative to me
<SchrodingersScat>
nerrrrrrds!
<tomatopeel>
looks like jbenet was doing some stuff on a thing called IPRS a while back but that's gone dead
<tomatopeel>
to be more specific about the problem I'm considering, it's the whole GAFA's social data thing. I'm imagining the kinds of databases that Google, Facebook etc are keeping in a public/distributed paradigm.
<tomatopeel>
yet to conclude whether BigchainDB/IPDB is the solution to this problem - it seems more geared towards asset transactions... though social data could be argued to hold the same kind of value as anything else
<karthik_>
tomatopeel: nice
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<fzzzr>
Hi there!
<noffle>
fzzzr: welcome
<SchrodingersScat>
fzzzr: we've been expecting you!
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<fzzzr>
Who can answer to one obscure (maybe) question? So, why we not yes using "ipfs://" protocol in the links? I think integration into any browser is more simple if we can ( and we can:) ) simply handle custom protocol and redirect to localhost:port url.
<karthik_>
It would defenitely take a while to have it in the browser official release
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<whyrusleeping>
fzzzr: one of the biggest issues with ipfs:// is that the part right after the protocol is case insensetive
<whyrusleeping>
fortunately, you can represent an ipfs cid as hex
<whyrusleeping>
or base32
<SchrodingersScat>
all about that base
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<fzzzr>
>>the part right after the protocol is case insensetive - now I understand it. Thx. And what solutions we have?
<fzzzr>
currently
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<fzzzr>
@whyrusleeping: +
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<tomatopeel>
fzzzr: encode as hex or base32 == the solutions I think :D
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<crest>
whyrusleeping: what about ipfs:///<cid>?
<crest>
is there a reason to use hex and base32 instead of base64 (with a url compatible charset)?
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<whyrusleeping>
crest: base64 cant be case insensetive though
<whyrusleeping>
the 'domain' portion of a url cant be case sensetive
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<crest>
whyrusleeping: wouldn't the leading slash solve the problem?
<whyrusleeping>
yes and no
<whyrusleeping>
yes, it solve the case sensetivity problem
<crest>
file urls work the same way
<whyrusleeping>
but then you lose out on any sort of domain based security
<crest>
ok that makes sense
<whyrusleeping>
any ipfs app that can access localstorage and cookies created by any other ipfs app
<crest>
and is a lot more important than shorter urls
<bitbit>
about Filecoin ICO... once it's available to buy in an exchange, will the price be low at the begining?
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<tomatopeel>
hey about this botbot.me channel logs thing... Is there an API or an advanced search or something? Can't find this. Also do BotBot not have their own IRC channel?
<SchrodingersScat>
please don't be insensitive to my case
<tomatopeel>
ah their IRC channel is #lincolnloop I think
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<tomatopeel>
Can anyone define for me "primitives" the way I'm hearing this term mentioned by the core IPFS folk? I've heard it in relation to i) a need for pubsub "as a primitive", and now ii) in daviddias talk about collecting ideas from projects like git,bittorrent,dht etc. and boiling them down to a set of re-usable "primitives"
<tomatopeel>
obviously we're not talking about primitives in the sense of data types in programming languages
<tomatopeel>
or maybe we are, just stuff that we can effectively define as a type/interface/module in a programming language, maybe?
<tomatopeel>
(in my brain "primitives" is always like int, float etc)
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<deltab>
tomatopeel: the basic building blocks that can't be broken down further
<deltab>
from prime meaning first
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<Mateon1>
tomatopeel: To build on deltab's response: primitives are basic building blocks. A lot of things can be considered primitives. For example, the DHT is a primitive in BitTorrent, the blockstore could be considered a primitive in IPFS. I'm not sure on the actual definition, but I'm pretty sure it just means it's a basic component with some interface/API (pubsub: publish and subscribe methods; DHT: get key, put value at key methods)
<daviddias>
tomatopeel: primitives as in identifying the set of operations required as a base to build distributed applications and making sure those are well polished and developer minded
<whyrusleeping>
'ipfs add --hash=blake2b-256' for example
<whyrusleeping>
and the ability to open libp2p streams to other peers
<whyrusleeping>
with 'ipfs ptp'
<voker57>
is "main" ipfs hash planned to change?
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, but not this release
<voker57>
hope multihash cids will get implemented as well then
<whyrusleeping>
they already are?
<whyrusleeping>
cids contain a multihash
<lemmi>
some commands still don't like them
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<whyrusleeping>
like what?
<lemmi>
ipfs files stat --hash
<whyrusleeping>
mmm, interesting.
<whyrusleeping>
well, ipfs files stat --hash is okay with cids
<whyrusleeping>
but some parts of the files api in general don't like non-protobuf nodes
<lemmi>
i have a tree with filstore objects copied to mfs. some of the files are small to fit a single block. these will fail
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, theyre the raw-leaf type nodes
<whyrusleeping>
hrm...
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* whyrusleeping
filing an issue
<lemmi>
and since were at it: files like this will get a trailing / added when tab-completed
* whyrusleeping
regrets merging bash autocompletion into the codebase
* lemmi
doesn't
<lemmi>
better than nothing :)
<whyrusleeping>
yeah... but then i have to maintain them
<whyrusleeping>
and i don't enjoy writing bash
<lemmi>
"that recursively provides the content after the operation has completed" - oh boy :>
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<JayCarpenter>
Has anyone successfully installed js-ipfs on a Raspberry Pi 3 running Raspian? My install seems to hang on https://registry.npmjs.org/yargs
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<tomatopeel>
I guess the gateway has to do some stuff
<tomatopeel>
when I re-publish it takes a bunch of seconds to do that, but then very quick once it's done again...
<tomatopeel>
Hmmm, so I can only publish 1 file per my single peer id? that can't be right can it? Need to read more on IPNS
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<tomatopeel>
so this seems to be the place to find out what IPNS is all about? https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/16#issuecomment-96231564 however 2 of the 3 references this guy posts aren't links (anymore?) and the one that is a link was deemed "stale" in 2015 so I'm a bit wary
<lemmi>
tomatopeel: you can have multiple peer id (keys), see ipfs key
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<tomatopeel>
ah ty
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<JayCarpenter>
Hi, when installing js-ipfs with npm install ipfs --global I am getting an error with "node-pre-gyp" when it trys to find prebuilt binaries for webrtc. Anyone else have this issue?
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<deltab>
tomatopeel: also you can publish a directory, not just a file
<tomatopeel>
cool, thanks. Another one: "It wasn't immediately obvious to me that the js-ipfs and go-ipfs are currently disjoint networks because there is no common transport layer and the relay protocol is not yet ready." - from here https://github.com/ipfs/specs/issues/145 - so the js and golang impl's are actually two different internetworks of peers? :O
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<tomatopeel>
anyone else looked at the first commits in go-ipfs? it's crazy how well organised the code in 3b570d3f82d2334dc9d8696acb0a8253eb9ce4e3 is. I mean, there's no main package, nothing that can be executed. I just know that my dev behaviour is more like writing and executing a lot, the start of a project would never be this organised for me.
<tomatopeel>
makes me wonder what any initial playing around might have looked like, I guess it was kept off of github
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'ping!
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<bitbit>
is it possible yet to create an Javascript app with IPFS where the peers can communicate even if the gateway is down?
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<vorshtein>
Hi! can someone check if they're able to cat this hash? QmXgBq2xJKMqVo8jZdziyudNmnbiwjbpAycy5RbfDBoJRM (hello world text)
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<vorshtein>
not able to request it through ipfs gateway or my other node
<vorshtein>
but ipfs.io gateway is down for me altogether it seems
<horrified>
vorshtein: works for me
<vorshtein>
horrified: just because i asked it started working for me as well hah
<voker57>
bitbit: yes, using js-ipfs
<vorshtein>
horrified: I think gateway was just super slow for a bit...
<vorshtein>
thanks guys! all good now
<tomatopeel>
vorshtein: I just published for the first time earlier, it was really slow on the initial publish, but thereafter it resolves quickly