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<walle303>
Is pubsub potentially usable for realtime audio/video streaming yet
<walle303>
Also, if you're going to be doing ham radio IPFS, why not throw in cjdns too
<walle303>
There's already 802.11ah that operates in the 915mhz ism band
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<walle303>
802.11ah + 802.11s + cjdns + ipfs, there you go, long distance ipv6 mesh routing with ipfs
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<tomatopeel>
the rebellion is growing strong... soon we will have a full mesh death star of our own...
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<tomatopeel>
is there a way to just tree my ipfs path some how
<tomatopeel>
like query what files are actually in there etc
<SchrodingersScat>
ipfs files ls ?
<tomatopeel>
returns nothing
<tomatopeel>
ipfs pin ls returns stuff
<tomatopeel>
just a bunch of hashes though
<tomatopeel>
it would be nice to have an easy option to view files/dirs by name as well as by hash
<tomatopeel>
I should look at the webui code... better sleep now anyway, nn!
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<SchrodingersScat>
tomatopeel: put the hash after the ls
<SchrodingersScat>
or one of them thar commands
<SchrodingersScat>
whyrusleeping: we need HAM radio support so we can transfer pictures of cats even after the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
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<alu>
anyone have a high level description of how ipfs relates to blockchain?
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<joey_>
nick itsameRICHtrump
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<DonaldTrump007>
hi you like how i have money more than you and can harrass you with commercials if you mess with me well guess who it was ;D duh somebody rich
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<ruunyan>
does python's ipfsapi lib have a way to specify a key for name/publish?
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<ruunyan>
iirc as of 0.4.7, `ipfs name publish --key` wasn't yet a thing, and the newest ipfsapi lib is 21 days old, so it seems plausible that it didn't support it at the time
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<tomatopeel>
hmm it's a bit confusing that there's the go-ipfs/commands package as well as the go-ipfs/core/commands package lol
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<tomatopeel>
I guess you just have to remember that commands/cli's parseOpts returns the commands.Command with commands.SubCommand
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<tomatopeel>
it seems the ipfs community is pretty sold on ethereum (a few hits for ethereum on the awesome-ipfs site, no hits for other cryptos I don't think), plus lots of mention of it in talks and whatnot
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<r0kk3rz>
tomatopeel: jbenet presented IPFS at ethereum Devcon 1
<tomatopeel>
r0kk3rz: yeah I mean Ethereum is cool and everything, I was just pondering how nucleated the distribution of the value in the mainstream cryptos likely still is though, and to what extent it might be possible to engineer a more egalitarian kind of a coin
<tomatopeel>
quick google turned this up http://www.grantcoin.org/ apparently 62 people own half of the planet's fiat wealth... that's a new one... last I heard it was 40% owning 1%
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<tomatopeel>
maybe there could be a physics-of-water-waves inspired engine which, over time, re-distributes coin back to those who are out of it... e.g. if you have 1000 nodes on the blockchain network for this coin and 10 of them are controlling 90% of the wealth, every day 1% of each of the 10's wallets is distributed equally back to the other 90%
<tomatopeel>
and wallets who have no activity for a given amount of time start depleting every so often to distribute the value back from dead wallets back to the network
<tomatopeel>
sorry this is way off topic, just daydreaming lol
<r0kk3rz>
theres been some ideas of implementing taxed coins in ethereum
<tomatopeel>
like what?
<r0kk3rz>
well, the coin contract controls the transfers so you can tax a % on transfer
<tomatopeel>
how does that promote re-distribution/equilibrium?
<tomatopeel>
what I'm thinking is that perhaps a coin network should have engineered into a mechanism to tend slowly back towards equilibrium, rather than having the potential to tend towards monopoly
<tomatopeel>
such a feature could arguably incentivise "the masses'" uptake, it's baking in basic income and giving back from the top
<tomatopeel>
food for thought, gonna grab some lunch actually!
<r0kk3rz>
yeah, it depends on whether you want a stable token price or not i guess. current methods in use by central banks are inflation and supply controls
<r0kk3rz>
but theres no reason why you couldnt write a coin contract with those ideas you're talking about, since the contract controlls it all
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<r0kk3rz>
not sure it would work well though, since one person can hold many accounts
<r0kk3rz>
so you cant really to progressive taxation
<r0kk3rz>
*do
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<tomatopeel>
yeah I guess it'd only work with a robust identification system
<tomatopeel>
biometrics comes to mind
<tomatopeel>
1 wallet per human fingerprint or eyeball
<r0kk3rz>
tomatopeel: even then, it wont exist in a vacuum so people could hoard wealth in other chains
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<tomatopeel>
r0kk3rz: lol what? that's such a mute point, that's like saying don't bother with crypto because people will still hoard gold and oil
<tomatopeel>
uhh, moot
<r0kk3rz>
not really. unless your egalitarian coin has some priviledged position then people with lots of wealth will use other things
<tomatopeel>
r0kk3rz: exactly!
<r0kk3rz>
like for eg. legal tender status with most fiat currencies
<tomatopeel>
r0kk3rz: this is it, like I mentioned about how this would totally incentivize uptake by the masses
<r0kk3rz>
how exactly
<tomatopeel>
as soon as a critical mass starts using x form of tender more and more, it follows that other tenders devalue right?
<tomatopeel>
so then you've got a bunch of wealthy folk trying to do their stuff in their not-this^ economies but they're just a minescule amount of players, and the masses are all enjoying this biocoin thing... lol
<tomatopeel>
but then I guess it comes down to actual world resources and the wealthy will probably control all of those still so... yeah I don't know... interesting idea to me anyway
<xelra>
tomatopeel: What you want is simply inflation. Every other method would always be controllable, abusable and create profit for the most powerful entity.
<xelra>
Think hard about it. There are only two methods of how money (money, not currency) flows back from the rich to the working force. That's inflation and the bankruptcy of banks. And we all know how that second one has been circumvented ...
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<xelra>
Cryptocoins are no different. When Mt. Gox lost all those bitcoins they were essentially lost forever and all the other people that had bitcoins, suddenly had more money.
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<npoc>
Hey all! I installed ipfs but while following instructions on getting started page, ipfs swarm peers gave me no response. Any reason why it did so?
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<tomatopeel>
npoc: can you paste what you tried and what error output you got maybe?
<tomatopeel>
wow, when you publish something to ipfs it truly is permanent eh
<SchrodingersScat>
what you mean?
<tomatopeel>
added something then turned my daemon off and it's still accessible on the gateway
<tomatopeel>
I thought another peer would at least have to get the stuff from me before it stays permanent over the gateway
<tomatopeel>
does the gateway just get everything?
<SchrodingersScat>
you didn't call it through the gateway?
<tomatopeel>
oh yeah I did call it through the gateway
<tomatopeel>
so after you do that then it is permanent in the gateway?
<SchrodingersScat>
welp, there you go, now at least one gateway has it for now
<tomatopeel>
or cached at least?
<SchrodingersScat>
tomatopeel: idk what the garbage collection settings are on the gateway, would probably need to find whichever operator is responsible for that
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<SchrodingersScat>
but yeah, for however long it's set to cache it should be there.
<tomatopeel>
also do you know if the ipfs discourse platform is like "ipfsisized" (yuck I'm never typing that again)
<tomatopeel>
(sorry)
<SchrodingersScat>
then if you call it through the gateway again, and get a new node from the dns, then it should transfer it to that new node and then there's x2 copies
<SchrodingersScat>
idk discourse
<tomatopeel>
I see. I guess if I want to serve stuff as permanently as possible with IPFS then I should use a VPS.
<SchrodingersScat>
it would help, although even with a home ipfs running it should be able to serve things to the gateway. But yeah, I have 2-3 machines that can mirror themselves, so that should be pretty robust for anyone in the network, and then if someone calls something through the gateway that's just +1
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<tomatopeel>
and I guess you can just copy your IPFS_PATH to some other host and host it from there instead
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<tomatopeel>
s/copy/move/ ... surely it complains if you copy and try to run ipfs with the exact same keys and everything from two different nodes
<SchrodingersScat>
someone had a script for linking things to remote machines, idk who that was though
<Mateon1>
No, discourse is centralized
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<Mateon1>
The Gateway will keep your IPFS content for a few hours probably, more exactly: Until it runs the next garbage collection which is sooner or later depending on how much people use the gateway
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<tomatopeel>
Mateon1: cool. Also, I'm a bit confused with this DNS TXT record stuff here https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/websites I googled and it seems to imply using this https://github.com/ipfs/go-dnslink however the effect I'd be going for would be for my domain name I have registered with a centralized registrar to point at an IPFS gateway address I suppose
<tomatopeel>
what's the cleanest way to achieve this, and is that what this doc and library are covering?
<tomatopeel>
I googled dns txt dnslink and it seems it's a specific kind of TXT record for IPFS
<Mateon1>
Create a TXT DNS record of form: dnslink=/ipfs/QmHash (can also use /ipns/, but that needs republishing every 12h or 24h, not sure which)
<Mateon1>
If your daemon is online, it will automatically take care of republishing your main ipns key
<Mateon1>
ipfs.io is itself a dnslinked website
<jcgruenhage>
Only my main key? I thought it would republish every key
<Mateon1>
Try: dig TXT ipfs.io
<Mateon1>
jcgruenhage: Right now it only republishes the main key, republishing custom keys is being implemented
<tomatopeel>
Mateon1: and I need to delete any A record I have I guess?
<tomatopeel>
hm rsyncing my ipfs path isn't going too well
<tomatopeel>
rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674) [Receiver=3.1.1]
<tomatopeel>
(with rsync -a)
<jcgruenhage>
Is there support for backing up ipns keys?
<tomatopeel>
also this: rsync: mkdir "/.ipfs" failed: Permission denied (13) # but I don't know what htis is about, it does this even if I manually create .ipfs on the remote end and confirm it's there, and if I delete it so it's not there
<Mateon1>
jcgruenhage: The main IPNS key is your private/public keypair, "Identity" in the config file. Other keys are files in the keystore directory
<tomatopeel>
when it's not present it does successfully create the .ipfs dir, it's just that it's empty... so I don't know how it's producing the mkdir error when the mkdir is either successful or the dir already exists
<Mateon1>
tomatopeel: Check your folder permissions, can the rsync user write to that directory?
<SchrodingersScat>
tomatopeel: what's the line you're using?
<Mateon1>
You can temporarily change the folder permission to 777 and fix the permissions after you sync
<Mateon1>
(The one you are writing to)
<tomatopeel>
SchrodingersScat: rsync -a .ipfs/ irc:/.ipfs/ # and then also: rsync -a .ipfs irc:
<tomatopeel>
Mateon1: nah same errors
<Mateon1>
I have no idea what the irc: scheme is with regards to rsync
<SchrodingersScat>
me either
<SchrodingersScat>
i normally use something like rsync -rav --progress .ipfs/ "user@machine:/home/user/.ipfs/"
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<Mateon1>
Ah, lack of -r is your problem here
<Mateon1>
That's why you get an empty directory
<tomatopeel>
-a implies -r, I thought?
<Mateon1>
I always need to look at the manpages to get the rsync options right, lol
<Mateon1>
Ah, -a does imply -r, so not sure then, sorry
<SchrodingersScat>
oops
<tomatopeel>
rsyncing to another local dir works fine
<tomatopeel>
I stopped my daemon as well, daemon was running before
<Mateon1>
I like "-i --progress"
<tomatopeel>
so repo.lock file is gone now, I don't think that made a difference anyway though
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<Mateon1>
I should probably make an rsync alias, I always forget the useful flags
<tomatopeel>
oh hmmm I killed mosh and now it appears to be working
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<SchrodingersScat>
no, mosh is love
<jcgruenhage>
Mateon1: So I should probably have a cronjob that republishes my website? I've set that up, and realized it isn't available on IPFS anymore :D
<tomatopeel>
yeah mosh is great, I do feel a bit irresponsible using it though, seems like the kind of thing that could easily be exploitable
<Mateon1>
jcgruenhage: If you use a custom ipns key, yes. Otherwise, if it's the default key, it's enough that your daemon stays online
<jcgruenhage>
The daemon that publishes has the key also runs the gateway at ipfs.jcg.re (I only use that on my phone at home :D), so it's online all the time, but I have created a custom key for that
<bitbit>
I know you guys have a relation to the new Numeraire coin (jbenet is on one of the videos), I'm wondering, do you know of a sotware wallet that supports this coin? I dont want to leave it on the exchange after buying it
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<bitbit>
and I can't find any devs to help with this so far
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<jcgruenhage>
Is there a reason ipfs.io can resolve /ipns/jcg.re, but ipfs.jcg.re can not?
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<jcgruenhage>
In other words, do I need a special gateway setup, for it to resolve dnslink names?
<Mateon1>
Because jcg.re is not the same as ipfs.jcg.re
<Mateon1>
They have separate DNS records (including TXT)
<SchrodingersScat>
jcgruenhage: it works with /ipns/ipfs.io
<tomatopeel>
SchrodingersScat: chrome doesn't... my adobe flash player is out of date so the plugin wouldn't load :D
<jcgruenhage>
That works, just replacing the ipns name with the domain won't work
<jcgruenhage>
and I doubt dns is the problem, because I've just ran dig on the gateway host, and it already sees the txt record
<Mateon1>
jcgruenhage: I don't see a TXT record on ipfs.jcg.re, only on jcg.re
<SchrodingersScat>
yeah, i can see the TXT too obv
<Mateon1>
Might need a while to propagate
<jcgruenhage>
To be clear, I meant ipfs.io/ipns/jcg.re is working, but ipfs.jcg.re/ipns/jcg.re isn't.
<Mateon1>
Ah, sorry
<SchrodingersScat>
yet ipfs.jcg.re can resolve other names
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<jcgruenhage>
resolving the name via command line doesn't work either
<Mateon1>
You need the -r (recursive) switch
<jcgruenhage>
doesn't work with that either
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<Mateon1>
jcgruenhage: That's odd, what command are you using? For me it's `ipfs name resolve /ipns/jcg.re -r`
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<jcgruenhage>
I was using `ipfs name resolve -r jcg.re`
<jcgruenhage>
that works for ipfs.io
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<jcgruenhage>
the command you suggested doesn't work either though
<Mateon1>
Hm, odd, that works for me
<Mateon1>
Let me manually make an API request
<SchrodingersScat>
jcgruenhage: wait, what I get from ipfs name resolve -r /ipns/jcg.re does not match dig TXT jcg.re
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<SchrodingersScat>
oh, i'm dumb
<Mateon1>
/ipns vs /ipfs
<SchrodingersScat>
yeah
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<bitbit>
protocol.ai is so pretty. I love it
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<SchrodingersScat>
bitbit: that is nice
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<bitbit>
you are basically working on a bunch of things that make me feel so good to know I'm not the only one thinking about them. I love your projects
<bitbit>
ok I think I already told you that :p
<SchrodingersScat>
jcgruenhage: schrodingersscat.org/ipns/schrodingersscat.org has troubles, but schrodingersscat.com/ipns/schrodingersscat.org works, idk why, ipfs resolve -r /ipns/schrodingersscat.org/ipns/schrodingersscat.org/: no link named "ipns" under QmemWxstAzqq2EEfeTs4bxjbBsbRsakpjAm7x1mSe9YVW4
<jcgruenhage>
My domain works now btw
<jcgruenhage>
Probably some caching issue
<SchrodingersScat>
k
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<markedfinesse>
does the new 4.10-rc release address memory and cpu consumption in the go client?
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