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<lunchmeat317> hey, all - interested in IPFS, and i had a general idea for a distributed search system. (very general.) how could i introduce that to the community as a general idea?
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<pjz_> write it up to give a good starting point for discussion
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<lunchmeat317> @pjz got disconnected before, but I actually started writing some thoughts here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mcaZ89nrbBWY6Dl9a8jZTmkrtxk2IlLjzQj4h1pQTEs/edit
<lunchmeat317> it's a really rough idea right now - i figured i'd share it with people who have more expertise and experience than i do
<lunchmeat317> i'm sure there are a bunch of pitfalls, not even sure if this is actually possible, but i want to kick around the idea and see if something good can come out of it
<lunchmeat317> i think that IPFS search needs to be an integral part of the platform; the data and its network belong to everybody, and i don't think that search services should be in the hands of a few tech giants
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<jamiew> have you seen https://github.com/ipfs-search/ipfs-search ? I have not spent much time with it personally
<TheGillies> looks like it's dead
<TheGillies> I've been publishing rdf data in ipfs lately: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXdxqQCueMbBeMUrBe4Xhudp9QDHAg47o6yTxrQgpCBu9
<TheGillies> ipfs + rdf is a match made in heaven
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<lunchmeat317> i'd heard about ipfs search before, i think, but it looked like a centralized solution - ideally, search would be decentralized
<TheGillies> how do you background the daemon?
<lunchmeat317> the ipfs daemon? in linux, if you already started it, you can hit Ctrl+Z and then type 'bg' in the CLI
<lunchmeat317> or are you talking about the theoretical search indexer daemon
<TheGillies> ipfs daemon
<TheGillies> i wanted to start backgrounded
<TheGillies> without shell stuff
<TheGillies> guess there is no way
<lunchmeat317> in a linux cli type "ipfs daemon &", it'll start as a background job
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<TheGillies> thats a shell thing
<TheGillies> im a programmer i know how to background stuff, but when you close term the program dies
<lunchmeat317> ah
<TheGillies> which isn't what i want
<TheGillies> i'll just run in tmux
<lunchmeat317> use "nohup ipfs daemon &""
<TheGillies> or nohup
<lunchmeat317> shouldn't kill the process when terminal dies
<TheGillies> i just think it's kinda ironic that it's called "daemon" but doesn't start daemonized
<TheGillies> they should rename to ipfs foreground heh
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<Kythyria[m]> Nah, that's normal.
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<Kythyria[m]> Only if you're insisting on using sysvinit do you need a daemon to detach itself when running as a system service.
<Kythyria[m]> That insistence actually increases total system complexity, ironically.
<Kythyria[m]> (it's much simpler to keep track of a daemon that doesn't fork)
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<kenrestivo> "server" not "daemon"
<kenrestivo> and you could have a -b flag to make it fork to background (or "-d" for daemon mode)
<Kythyria[m]> The convention is -d, yeah
<Kythyria[m]> But it wouldn't be of a tremendous amount of use since if you're running it regularly you should perhaps install it as a system servive
<kenrestivo> btw, i have noticed that ipfs get on a large file causes the server ("daemon") to crash
<Kythyria[m]> And if you are still using an init that requires things to fork in 2017 what the hell are you smoking.
<kenrestivo> most inits hate forking
<kenrestivo> it'd be useful for command line and testing tho
<Kythyria[m]> Except sysvinit, which requires you fork.
<kenrestivo> start-stop-daemon :)
<Kythyria[m]> As far as sysvinit is concerned that's an implementation detail of the service.
<Kythyria[m]> (IIRC upstart had the same problem)
<kenrestivo> anyways, any idea why an ipfs get would cause the daemon to crash?
<kenrestivo> ipfs get -o wtf QmVRxT3SynvTn7qVqHyvmsxCKVU9EiXGLpCKhnRSxycQN1 ... KABOOM
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<koalalorenzo> kenrestivo: open a issue on github or ask in the forum ( http://discuss.ipfs.io ), maybe somebody can help!
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<ShalokShalom> hi there
<ShalokShalom> netlify-cms is a static webpage CMS
<ShalokShalom> "translate the Git-based semantics of the editorial workflow to IPFS"
<ShalokShalom> IPFS is Git-based, or?
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<r0kk3rz> similar, not really based
<ShalokShalom> ah ok
<ShalokShalom> so, translate this semantic can be difficult?
<r0kk3rz> shouldnt be, people use hugo for websites on ipfs already
<ShalokShalom> ?
<ShalokShalom> Netlify is a WYSIWYG editor
<ShalokShalom> GUI
<ShalokShalom> it works on all static side generators
<r0kk3rz> ah, then its just the commit workflow that needs changing
<r0kk3rz> i understand
<ShalokShalom> can you contribute to that issue?
<ShalokShalom> and i guess its more senseful to implement the js backend, since otherwise a proxy is needed
<ShalokShalom> which destroys a bit the sense of IPFS to me now
<ShalokShalom> dont know why ipfs-go is on the top at all
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<Kythyria[m]> Well, the vision is that IPFS will become part of the browser (and in principle ipfs-go could be that proxy by exposing an API)
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<ShalokShalom> Kythyria[m]: how realistic is this vision?
<ShalokShalom> and how to get ipfs-go into the browser? web assambly?
<r0kk3rz> ShalokShalom: you know browswer engines arent written in javascript right?
<ShalokShalom> ah, so you do?
<ShalokShalom> and is that near?
<r0kk3rz> probably not, and before then theres js-ipfs
<ShalokShalom> yes, thats what i thought like, thanks
<ShalokShalom> and js is useable now?
<ShalokShalom> for this approach at least: https://www.netlifycms.org/
<ShalokShalom> and anyway: you like to implement this Go API into the brower?
<ShalokShalom> you think, Mozilla and Google will do this for you?
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<Kubuxu> ShalokShalom: js-ipfs is quite usable already
<ShalokShalom> fine ^-^
<Kubuxu> it would be much more usable if it was bundled with browser as it could use UDP and TCP naively
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<Noxarivis[m]> Does ipfs use TCP or UDP?
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<Noxarivis[m]> kythyria: ^
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<Noxarivis[m]> Kubuxu: ^?
<Kubuxu> Noxarivis[m]: currently TCP but we are transitioning to UDP
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<Noxarivis[m]> Thanks
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<Kubuxu> We have QUIC support in progress but we will have to wait until TLS 1.3 is finalized
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<Noxarivis[m]> What is QUIC?
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<Noxarivis[m]> Kubuxu: ^
<Kubuxu> you don't have to ping me with every question
<Noxarivis[m]> Sorry
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<Kythyria[m]> (also, a nontrivial chunk of Firefox is written in javascript. However, each browser will require a new binding since they all have different APIs--if any--for adding a URI scheme)
<Noxarivis[m]> Why is IPFS working but Ring not :(
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