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<_mak>
do you guys know of any ruby gem that allows access to the pubsub feature?
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<anagh_>
hi
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<victorbjelkholm>
_mak: not specifically ruby but you can hit the http api to use them as well, then any http lib will do
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<lmars>
hey, is there anyone here who knows about the decision to use CBOR over protocol buffers for the canonical format?
<lmars>
(for IPLD)
<lmars>
I'm working on a similar project and need to make a similar decision
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<Kythyria[m]>
lmars: protobufs has some surprising limitations
<Kythyria[m]>
(broadly speaking, it requires nodes to coordinate ahead of time to be able to do something meaningful with data, and AFAICT it requires central coordination for any kind of extensibility to happen)
<lmars>
Kythyria[m]: ok thanks, and using CBOR somehow helps with this?
<lmars>
I'm not overlay familiar with CBOR
<Kythyria[m]>
CBOR's data model is strictly a superset of json
<Kythyria[m]>
(specifically, it's json plus binary data, a distinction between int and float, using arbitrary things as object keys, and a tag system to supply additional hints as to what a thing is)
<lmars>
so is the plan with IPLD objects to have them reference a schema (like a JSON-LD @context), so when you load them you know how to interpret the keys?
<Kythyria[m]>
Well, you don't need that any more than you do in JSON.
<lmars>
perhaps I should describe what I am trying to do. I want all my objects to have a specific schema, so in JSON-LD I would give them all an @context
<lmars>
and I want to use content addressing
<lmars>
so I need a canonical format for my objects
<Kythyria[m]>
You'd have to do that in CBOR too.
<lmars>
well, canonical byte representation
<lmars>
ok, so then do you think CBOR still has an advantage over protocol buffers in that scenario?
<Kythyria[m]>
I believe so, if there's ever going to be more than one implementation.
<Kythyria[m]>
AFAICT protobuf is more likely to have problems if implementations diverge in what schema they expect
<Kythyria[m]>
You can still have problems, of course, but protobuf makes it much easier
<Kythyria[m]>
I recommend comparing thte two yourself, I might have missed something.
<lmars>
ok, I just like the code generation / self-documenting aspect of protobuf
<Kythyria[m]>
Protobuf isn't actually self-documenting, is it? It only sends field numbers, not any kind of schema or names?
<Kythyria[m]>
> As you know, a protocol buffer message is a series of key-value pairs. The binary version of a message just uses the field's number as the key – the name and declared type for each field can only be determined on the decoding end by referencing the message type's definition (i.e. the .proto file).
<lmars>
yep forget that comment :)
<lmars>
so with CBOR, do you think I would do some form of two step decoding, first read the `@context` key, then decode the rest of the object based on the schema it points to?
<Kythyria[m]>
You'd want to do that with protobuf too :)
<Kythyria[m]>
The difference is, with CBOR you can get away without it more often.
<lmars>
is that possible with protobuf?
<lmars>
I'll admit, I have little experience with protobuf past reading the docs :)
<Kythyria[m]>
Well, protobuf's wire format is like all your keys are numbers, so have fun decoding that reliably.
<Kythyria[m]>
Same.
<Kythyria[m]>
Either way you'd want to do something like declare that key 0 points to a schema.
<lmars>
right
<lmars>
that was my thinking
<lmars>
key 0 could be an immutable reference to a .proto file
<lmars>
which is used to decode the rest of the object
<lmars>
same with CBOR I guess, but with protobuf I get a decoder for free?
<Kythyria[m]>
You'd have to persuade the protobuf decoder to read far enough to find that key, then restart once you've fetched the .proto file.
<lmars>
yep
<Kythyria[m]>
Protobuf gives you a format for defining how dicts with possibly-repeated integer keys get deserialised into objects in your langauge of choice.
<lmars>
how does IPLD plan to handle this?
<lmars>
if it sees a link `{ "/": "QmCCC...222" }`, how does it know how to decode it to resolve through it?
<Kythyria[m]>
They're presumably using a profile of JSON (or JSON encoded as CBOR, presumably) in which it is prohibited to have anything that looks like that that isn't an IPLD link.
<Kythyria[m]>
In CBOR you'd have a tag rather than an object.
<lmars>
ok so if I want to be compatible with IPLD, I have to use CBOR then if I want things to resolve I guess
<Kythyria[m]>
IDK
<lmars>
would be nice if the link itself referenced what it points to like: { "/": "QmCCC...222", "schema": "protobuf/lmars/v1" }
<limbo_>
Can I make an ipfs directory that just includes other things from ipfs, without having a copy of each of them?
<lemmi>
a directory is more or less just a list of hashes and human readable names. you can build that no problem. the moment you use it, like ipfs ls, it will fetch all necessary data
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<limbo_>
so, how do I make one?
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<Magik6k>
limbo_, you can do that with `ipfs files` api, `ipfs files cp /ipfs/[hash] /some/dir`, then `ipfs files stat /some` to get hash of that directory
<Magik6k>
Or use `ipfs object` for more direct manipulation
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<limbo_>
Can I do any of that without downloding any data?
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<Magik6k>
I'm unsure if files api downloads anything(it shouldn't need to), object won't download things
<victorbjelkholm>
yeah, with `ipfs object` is simple as long as you have the hash you want to add. `ipfs object patch add-link <root> <name> <ref>` adds a link called "name" which is the hash "ref" from the "root" object, giving you a new hash
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<tadzik>
hello #ipfs
<tadzik>
I have 2 daemons running, one on my laptop, one on my VPS. ipfs swarm addrs confirms that they both know about each other, and yet adding something to ipfs from my laptop and trying to get it on my vps takes an absurdly long amount of time for some reason; is that expected?
<tadzik>
it's perhaps worth mentioning that the laptop is behind NAT
<limbo_>
What do you mean by getting it?
<limbo_>
adding a pin on the VPS?
<tadzik>
I mean 'ipfs get'
<tadzik>
or ls in case of something else
<tadzik>
...and I think I know what's the problem, I have port forwarding pointing 4001 and 5001 pointing to my desktop, not my laptop
<tadzik>
I guess it may become problematic if I have two different peers pretending to be available at the same public IP
<tadzik>
is it possible for debug/educational purpose to track down how does my local ipfs obtain a specific file (ie who does it get it from?)
<victorbjelkholm>
tadzik: hm, probably you could do something with what's outputted when running `ipfs log tail`, but don't think there exists any easier util in go-ipfs already. However, you can see which peers are saying they have a specific hash with `ipfs dht findprovs :hash`
<tadzik>
oh wow, ipfs log tail shows how busy my peer is :)
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<victorbjelkholm>
yeah, lots of fun spying on all the work happening in the background :)
<tadzik>
ok, I have some questions about IPNS that the whitepaper hasn't entirely cleared. When I, as a peer, publish an object, it's available under my peer ID. As long as I'm a part of the network, I can do the job of advertising the object behind my ID, but I can't exactly rely on the network "mirroring" it for me after I disconnect, I assume
<tadzik>
when it comes to immutable objects, I can rely on "mirrors" pinning the object to themselves so that they don't just disappear, can I also set up mirrors that'd pin my peer ID somehow, so that "mirrors" on the internet can keep track of what I most recently published under my ID?
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<tadzik>
also, is lookup by domain names as described in the white paper actually implemented and working? I added my TXT record to my domain (tadzik.net), but `ipfs name resolve /ipns/tadzik.net` doesn't actually resolve it
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<Magik6k>
tadzik, it is, the field must be _dnslink.domain.tld, with 'dnslink=/ipfs/somehash' (or ipns)
<jcgruenhage>
the dns thing is called dnslink, you should find an example under ipfs/go-dnslink iirc
<jcgruenhage>
about the rest, I am not sure if it is possible to export/import ipns keys yet, but if it is, this mirroring should be possible.
<jcgruenhage>
(The publishing should only happen on nodes you trust though.)
<tadzik>
jcgruenhage: so how should I ensure that my peer ID will be resolved through IPNS? Just republish it often and hope for the best?
<whyrusleeping>
tadzik: huh, that code just hasnt been updated in quite some time
<jcgruenhage>
it will be redistributed as long as your last publish is less than 24 hours old
<tadzik>
also, does the regular ipfs commandline tool use this, I do I need two separate calls to lookup a file under a domain name?
<tadzik>
hm, I see
<tadzik>
is that documented/specced, or is it pretty much “tribal knowledge”? :)
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: any idea where those docs are? ^
<tadzik>
so it turns out that if I publish stuff from a machine that's not always online, I can't reliably expect my ipns reference to work in practice
<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping: think it was just mentioned in the changelog at one point, " dnslink prefer TXT _dnslink.example.com, allows usage of CNAME records"
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<whyrusleeping>
tadzik: currently, that is the case
<whyrusleeping>
though we're looking into way of allowing other nodes to keepalive your records for you
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<_mak>
victorbjelkholm: do you have an example of what do you mean?
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<tadzik>
whyrusleeping: noted, thanks
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<christop1ler>
whyrusleeping: hey. Im going to be using the kad dht you created on libp2p, and what Im doing now is going through the tests and making the output more full as part of my learning process. Is this kind of thing something you are interested in a pull request for? Im working with the metacurrency / holochain project
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<whyrusleeping>
dayzee: i'm always interested in more tests
<whyrusleeping>
also, i think a few of those tests are actually broken (i.e. not checking things that they should be) so if you see any of that, definitely send PRs over
<dayzee>
whyrusleeping: great. I shall indeed. Thank you for your work
<whyrusleeping>
and if you have any questions, ask away :)
<dayzee>
gonna be full of them. For now, study ;0)
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<whythat>
Hi everyone! Is this the right place to ask about libp2p? I'd like to know, if there's any work going on Rust implementation.
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<wak-work>
the peer to peer traffic between nodes is encrypted / authenticated based on the peer's key right?
<whyrusleeping>
whythat: i think some work on rust-libp2p started, but i havent heard any updates lately
<whyrusleeping>
wak-work: yes
<wak-work>
okay that's what i though
<wak-work>
was curious about `ipfs p2p` basically
<wak-work>
excited to see where this goes with authentication / whitelisting and having a persistent listener
<Mateon1>
whythat: Not that I'm aware of. I'm interested in working on it, I think we need to iron out multiformats first
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<Mateon1>
Wow, the Rust multiaddr library is really nice. Can't say that about multibase (no padded bases, no identity)
<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: talking about the one by CMCDragonkai ?
<whyrusleeping>
oh wait, he did the haskel one, nvm
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<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: Also, what is the "App" reserved space for, for 0x1-0xf multihashes?
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<whyrusleeping>
great question
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<lgierth>
i'd say that's safe to free up
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<lgierth>
it's from the early days and never been discussed again i think
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<limbo_>
whyrusleeping: Filter by genre, or mae a playlist from albums?
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<limbo_>
whoops, I hadn't scrolled down all the way.