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<iamnoob>
Hello, guys I was looking at IPFS-js , And its impressive.
<iamnoob>
but I'm little confused on how it works, I'm thinking like building a web application, I'm wondering how the files would be pinned, IS it in the browser storage? How does it actually work? Can somebody please throw some light onto this. Or redirect me to the technical document explaining this please.
<JohnX>
like, how the web application itself (the html & js) would be hosted? Or where files would go that users "imported" into IPFS?
<JohnX>
<- also somewhat of a noob, but I might be able to answer
<iamnoob>
I was thinking a react application that uses ipfs-js, and so its serverless
<iamnoob>
And now as to what I know IPFS-js creates a daemon within the browser(If i'm not wrong), I'm wondering how does it pin the files. Does it store browser storage or something special ?
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<limbo_>
How do I minimize the size of my ipfs repo?
<limbo_>
I ran out f disk space while adding a whole lot of files.
<limbo_>
Should I just move the .ipfs directory and symlink it back?
<r0kk3rz>
limbo_: use --nocopy
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<limbo_>
r0kk3rz: I'm already using --nocopy.
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<r0kk3rz>
oh right, so you ran out of space purely by dag overhead
<r0kk3rz>
nice
<limbo_>
Any idea how to deal with this? Is it possible to make a local ipfs repo, like you would with git? (ipfs init in the directory I want to add)
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<limbo_>
Right, I moved my .ipfs directory to a larger external drive. That should work for a while.
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<voker57>
what's the point in making local ipfs repo? You'd have to run a local ipfs daemon for it
<voker57>
if you for some reason need it for local operations, you can set IPFS_PATH before running ipfs
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<limbo_>
voker57: because I can't add --nocopy files from outside the base repo (unless I symlink them inside) and because the drive that contains this data is larger than my internal drive.
<limbo_>
It doesn't have to be a complete copy of ~/.ipfs/ I just think it should be possible to keep metadata near the data it's about. It'd also make it easier to move that whole directory and not break any links.
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<limbo_>
Does anyone know of a better way than symlinking to add files from outside of my home directory with --nocopy?
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<Magik6k>
limbo_, there is open PR that will allow you to move blockstore out of .ipfs
<Magik6k>
For now you can try running `ipfs repo gc` to free some space
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<limbo_>
Magik6k: I tried that earlier, and it deleted the files that had been hashed already but not pinned.
<limbo_>
I'm recursively adding a directory. I haven't used this install for anything else yet.
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<r0kk3rz>
hmm, i guess ipfs works best with block level dedup file systems
<Mateon2>
r0kk3rz: Not necessarily, there shouldn't be any duplicates in the IPFS blocks directory (on the 256k chunk level). Content is deduplicated by hash by IPFS
<r0kk3rz>
Mateon2: within ipfs, yes. but on your computer
<Mateon2>
You can use --no-copy, you risk the data being lost if the original changes, but it doesn't duplicate data
<Mateon2>
For things that can be immutable, and I need to access as files, I use the /ipfs mount with a symlink. It works well enough most of the time
<r0kk3rz>
yeah, or you handle it with block level dedup, and then you dont care where it is
<limbo_>
Also, will rerunning ipfs add --nocopy detect moved/renamed files or will I have to run gc afterwards?
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<Mateon2>
I think there's a command like ipfs filestore verify, but I actually haven't used the filestore yes, so I'm not sure
<Mateon2>
s/yes/yet
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<voker57>
yes there's this command
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<limbo_>
Mateon2: would that fix anything, or just tell me that there's files missing?
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<Mateon2>
limbo_: Sorry, I don't know, I assume it only tells they are missing. I think adding the new files --no-copy should work
<Mateon2>
s/new/moved
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<voker57>
how would it fix something if data is missing?
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<limbo_>
voker57: the most likely cause for data to be "missing" is for a file to be renamed/moved.
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<voker57>
will ipfs add --raw-leaves produce the same hash as if I used also --nocopy?
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<r0kk3rz>
no
<r0kk3rz>
it looks like its for reducing the dag overhead
<r0kk3rz>
and if you change the dag, you change the resulting hash
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<r0kk3rz>
the final hash isnt actually the hash of the file, but the HEAD of the dag
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<voker57>
--nocopy is not for dag overhead, it's for storing data out of .ipfs
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<Kubuxu>
but --raw-leaves is
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<voker57>
yes, I'm saying _also_ adding --nocopy
<r0kk3rz>
oh sorry, yeah --nocopy shouldnt change the hash
<Kubuxu>
I am not sure if kevina implemented this
<voker57>
implemented what?
<Kubuxu>
hmm
<Kubuxu>
wait
<voker57>
I'm wondering if I can reproduce hash I got from --nocopy without --nocopy
<Kubuxu>
if it isn't same as default
<Kubuxu>
it is high possibility it will be same as --raw-leaves
<Kubuxu>
--raw-leaves would simplify --nocopy job buy quite a bit
<voker57>
just checked, --nocopy includes --raw-leaves and rl is what causes changing hash with nocopy
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<Kubuxu>
makes sense
<Kubuxu>
sorry, filestore is subsystem I don't know a lot about right now
<Mateon2>
Should raw leaves just be the default for everything?
<Mateon2>
Better to change early, and I see no disadvantage.
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<Kubuxu>
we are thinking about it
<Kubuxu>
when it happens, it will be part of big release
<Kubuxu>
0.5 probably
<r0kk3rz>
whats the actual change?
<Kubuxu>
the hashes change
<Kubuxu>
and it introduces CIDv1 in `ipfs add`
<Mateon2>
+ a bunch of other goodies, it actually saves a bit of space on disk, as we don't add 13 bytes (something like that) which wastes an entire 4k/sector size
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<Mateon2>
I see that Matrix split, thank god for folding
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<r0kk3rz>
i mean whats the change in the dag structure? is the main data blocks now just raw blocks or something
<Mateon2>
Yeah, the leaf blocks are just the data
<Mateon2>
They don't have a merkledag wrapper
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<Noxarivis[m]>
How does ipfs compare to gnunet?
<Noxarivis[m]>
As I know both try to replace the internet
<r0kk3rz>
everyone wants to replace the internet, its the cool thing to do
<Mateon2>
I tried out gnunet, but couldn't figure out the GUI
<Mateon2>
Seems like it aims to be an anonymous file sharing network, it seems to have a configurable hop count for getting data
<Mateon2>
I was never able to test it, between the non-functional childish GUI, and seemingly not getting connections through a NAT
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<Noxarivis[m]>
r0kk3rz: shiftrng uses ipfs genius
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<Noxarivis[m]>
Mateon2: that's helpful
<Noxarivis[m]>
How does ipfs compare to gnunet exactly?
<Noxarivis[m]>
gnunet itself is just a framework
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<Mateon2>
I don't exactly know what gnunet supports, but I can tell more about IPFS. It uses content addressing using hashes to point to data. It arranges data in merkle trees, so each hash usually describes less than 256k of data, and seamlessly combines it to form files, as it receives chunks from different nodes. It has an HTTP gateway, just like the one on ipfs.io/ipfs/...
<Mateon2>
IPFS is similar to bittorrent in the sense, that you only share/seed data that you explicitly requested
<Noxarivis[m]>
Mateon2: yeah, I know IPFS well
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<Kythyria[m]>
Anything meant to be the backend for a "social network" has to actively push data around.
<Kythyria[m]>
Onto nodes that didn't ask for it and have no use for it.
<Mateon2>
Kythyria[m]: You can write an aplication on top of IPFS, as IPFS is just a protocol, like HTTP, or BitTorrent
<Mateon2>
You can use pubsub for low-latency communication, ipns for mutability with some persistence, and transfer data over IPFS
<Kythyria[m]>
And... without making third-party nodes host it, how do you ensure your posts don't vanish at any time your computer is off?
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<Mateon2>
You can't guarantee it, your computer will have your profile and whatever pinned, and you could incentivize seeding other people's data for something like allowing a larger profile
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<Noxarivis[m]>
The internet is doomed
<Noxarivis[m]>
Every approach is useless
<Kythyria[m]>
Well, sure, if you declare that having any sort of server is verboten, you have to construct this elaborate framework to deal with the problems that causes.
<Mateon2>
I hope there's more push towards low powerdraw devices, so you could buy an IPFS seedbox that draws 30 watts or something small like that
<Kythyria[m]>
Indeed.
<Mateon2>
Right now x86 CPUs are going for more performance, mostly ignoring wattage, so arm maybe?
<Mateon2>
Disks are low power draw, RAM is low power draw, so that's basically it
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<kevina>
Kubuxu, r0kk3rz: the filestore in ipfs is whyrusleeping implementation
<kevina>
it requires raw-leaves
<kevina>
the hash should be the same hash when --raw-leaves is used
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<kevina>
(and I just realized you figured that out so sorry for the noise)
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<r0kk3rz>
kevina: thanks anyway :)
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