<Mosalut>
IPFS and the Blockchain are a perfect match! You can address large amounts of data with IPFS, and place the immutable, permanent IPFS links into a blockchain transaction. This timestamps and secures your content, without having to put the data on the chain itself.
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<voker57>
best match to use together, ipfs is not a blockchain toolkit
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<Mosalut>
ok, make sence
<Mosalut>
I am not good at English
<Mosalut>
I think That it can be developed on IPFS
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<ntninja>
Just letting you know: I’m the (sometimes passive) main maintainer of py-ipfs-api and just read the latest blog post asking me to add myself to the „IPFS User Registry“. When I wanted to do so however, I ended up at a Google form asking me to create an (Google) account — which I’m not planning on doing. Guess I’m not adding myself then…
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<lidel>
ntninja, thanks for feedback, I forwarded it to folks maintaining registry
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<Rayben>
The earliest seaworthy boats may have been developed as early as 45,000 years ago, according to one hypothesis explaining the habitation of Australia
<Rayben>
There are indications as stone tools and traces left on a rhinoceros skeleton that suggest early hominids crossed the sea and colonized the Philippine island of Luzon in a time frame as early as 777,000 to 631,000 years ago.
<Rayben>
Over thousands of years of human migrations and the rise of ancient civilizations, seafaring exploration led to ocean trade routes. The earliest known reference to an organization devoted to ships in ancient India is to the Mauryan Empire from the 4th century BC. It is believed that navigation as a science originated on the Indus river some 5000 years ago.
<Rayben>
In the early modern period, successor states of the Adal and Ajuran empires began to flourish in Somalia, continuing the tradition of seaborne trade established by previous Somali empires.
<Rayben>
The world's first dock at Lothal (2400 BCE) was located away from the main current to avoid deposition of silt.[16] Modern oceanographers have observed that the Harappans must have possessed great knowledge relating to tides in order to build such a dock on the ever-shifting course of the Sabarmati, as well as exemplary hydrography and maritime engineering.[16] This was the earliest known dock found in the world, equipped to berth and service ships.[16] It
<Rayben>
is speculated that Lothal engineers studied tidal movements, and their effects on brick-built structures, since the walls are of kiln-burnt bricks.[17] This knowledge also enabled them to select Lothal's location in the first place, as the Gulf of Khambhat has the highest tidal amplitude and ships can be sluiced through flow tides in the river estuary.
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<cjd>
yo whyrusleeping *!~Raybent@49.*
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<cjd>
can't op my irc client from my matrix client
<cjd>
because matrix is wonkey...
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<whyrusleeping>
fine
<whyrusleeping>
uhm
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<whyrusleeping>
thats not what i wanted you to do chanserv
<cjd>
that should work
<whyrusleeping>
👌
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<Swedneck>
what's the best way to help ipfs if one can't code?
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<fsdiogo>
Spread the word about the project!
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<voker57>
share your data over ipfs and run a node
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<Swedneck>
how easy is it to run a node on a desktop and just allocate X amount of space? I think i tried before, and it's just a binary you run, right?
<voker57>
you can set GC watermarks in ~/.ipfs/config and run ipfs daemon --enable-gc
<voker57>
also, IPFS node does not consume space if you don't ask it to
<voker57>
e.g. you don't host other people's files
<Swedneck>
wait what
<Swedneck>
how is that possible? does it just store a tiny amount of data in ram or something?
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<Swedneck>
yeah i can't think of a way ipfs could be useful if you don't store files
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<lemmi>
ipfs won't store anything without you requesting it
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<Swedneck>
what use is running a node then?
<lemmi>
supporting the dht, and you could setup something that automatically pins thibgs other nodes requested
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<Swedneck>
dht?
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<Swedneck>
Wouldn't it have to store the hash table though?
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<Swedneck>
ok i have ipfs installed, how do i make it always run? Just add `ipfs daemon` to startup?
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<voker57>
it would need to store part of hash table, but it's not much storage
<voker57>
yes, start it up somehow
<Swedneck>
alright, nice
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<droman>
Is there some way of having an ipfs daemon that works like a server? For example if ipfs daemon is run as a systemd service running with a different system user, then the user can not use commands like ipfs get
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<voker57>
droman: if you set IPFS_PATH properly you can still use it
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<droman>
voker57: it works with ipfs get also or that env variable is only used by ipfs daemon?
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<voker57>
droman: it works with all ipfs commands
<droman>
cool, thanks
<Swedneck>
found another way to contribute, translating the companion extension :D
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<mikeal_>
js-ipfs doesn't appear to have an file.read() method in the browser
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<Swedneck>
how much does the companion extension actually help? I'm not quite sure what it actually does
<lidel>
Swedneck, main use case if to detect IPFS Path on the internet and instead of loading such resources the old way, it redirects requests to the HTTP gateway of your choosing (usually go-ipfs running on localhost)
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<Swedneck>
ah
<lidel>
another feature is exposing API of your node under window.ipfs object on every page
<astrovicis>
ws-star.discovery.libp2p.io/tcp/443/wss/p2p-websocket-star seems to be down
<astrovicis>
anyone know what's happening?
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<Powersource>
so i've been files.add'ing a file, grabbing the last hash in the returned list, pinning that. has worked fine so far. the last hash seems to be the root https://github.com/ipfs/interface-ipfs-core/blob/master/js/src/files.js#L1106 but i don't want to rely on this, so i was going to switch to files.stat to get the hash instead. but when i run stat on the dir i get an error saying the file doesn't exist. any idea what i
<Powersource>
messed up?
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<voker57>
isn't there an equivalent of -Q, or --pin?
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<Powersource>
it would really make sense to make this atomic
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<Powersource>
i should probably just drop trying to fix this, but i'm soon gonna have to work with mfs and then i'm going to need to use files.stat anyway
<Swedneck>
oh, i guess it is, becauseit just finished
<lidel>
I tested this with js-ipfs-api connecting to go-ipfs and it works the same way as CLI, i think if you are experiencing problems then its limited to pinning in js-ipfs
<lidel>
Swedneck, there are known performance issues with ipns and fixes are in the works, but yes, for now it may be slow at times
<Swedneck>
alright, would be nice to have a loading thing though
<Powersource>
lidel: i still feel like i misunderstand mfs (or the documentation is outdated). ipfs files --help says `ipfs files cp <source> <dest> - Copy files into mfs.` It makes it sound like there's a separate namespace *outside* of mfs?
<lidel>
Powersource, I agree the way it is communicated needs to be improved, perhaps it would be a lot more clear if the root of MFS was /local/ instead of / :)
<lidel>
In short MFS is a local mutable filesystem that you can use to store pointers at files/directories from /ipfs/* namespace
<lidel>
Powersource, i think the only thing to remember is that the <dest> part is in different namespace than <source>
<lidel>
and that files.add does not add things to mfs namespace, you only get /ipfs/ paths, but you can then manually add them to mfs via files.cp
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<lidel>
if you want to add files to mfs directly, there is files.write, but it will produce different underlying hash, as it is optimized for random seeking and writing after initial creation, while files.add is optimized for reduction of link count
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<Powersource>
lidel: ok kind of reasonable. but why does files.add allow me to specify a path (in the `array of objects` alternative for the data) if i can't use that path?
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<lidel>
Powersource, the 'path' in files.add is used when you add multiple files or have wrapWithDirectory=true
<Powersource>
lidel: yes that's what i'm doing. but can i then use that path for anything?
<Powersource>
wait I think i'm using the name in some context, 1 sec
<lidel>
well you can use it to persist file names, if you choose to wrap uploads in directories
<Powersource>
yep forgot
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<Powersource>
'nite! thanks for the clarifications
<MikeFair>
Hey All, who might I talk to about the web server/API service in the Daemon?
<MikeFair>
Specifically I'm wondering if there could be an automatic attempt at virtualhosting a domain via DNS_LINK
<MikeFair>
So if http://somedomain.dom/ ended up hitting some IPFS Daemon's HTTP Gateway (sorry gateway not API) ; it would attempt to autoresolve the DNS_LINK and serve the content
<MikeFair>
(this is relying on the HTTP 1.1 header data obviously)
* MikeFair
wonders if the code cleanup in the last release would make it so he could hack it in to the Go code himself....
<MikeFair>
Any reasons _not_ to do that?
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<JCaesar>
MikeFair: how is that different from what's already implementes?
<MikeFair>
it would be http://domain.dom/ which the browser hit straight into the IPFS gateway HTTP port
<JCaesar>
try a txt lookup on _dnslink.goecam.liftm.de and then a cname on goecam.liftm.de
<JCaesar>
(ipfs.io uses the same, but I wanted to show you a case where gateway and site domain are different.)
<MikeFair>
I'm not sure I quite follow
<MikeFair>
this would have a Gateway serve up _any_ domain's website
<MikeFair>
directly because the browser asked for it by domain name
<Powersource>
MikeFair: wouldn't a cname record work for that? i'm bad at dns
<MikeFair>
no
<MikeFair>
this is the HTTP protocol part
<MikeFair>
the IP has already been resolved
<MikeFair>
my browser is reaching out to X.Y.Z.A port 80 and asking for goecam.liftm.de
<MikeFair>
Get /
<MikeFair>
It turns out that X.Y.Z.A is an IPFS Gateway
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<MikeFair>
it looks in DNS for dnslink TXT record and see an IP[FN]S record
<MikeFair>
and then serves that
<MikeFair>
The CNAME is used in the part where you are trying to find the IP Address of the server to talk to
<MikeFair>
I'm saying, the IP Address of the server has already been found
<MikeFair>
it's called "Virtual Hosting" in web hosting speak; how a single server hosts many domains simultaneously on a single IP Address
<MikeFair>
Currently, as far as I'm aware, we have to provide some other web hosting trick to redirect the 'GET /' request to a 'http://ipfs.gatway/ipns/domain.dom' request
<MikeFair>
A reverse proxy is exactly how you do this usually
<MikeFair>
It just hit me a few moments ago that it would be trivial to eliminate the reverse proxy set up part and have the Gateway's handle the resolution natively via the HTTP 1.1 header infor
<MikeFair>
mation
<MikeFair>
It's the price of a single additional TXT record lookup on the server name the browser says it is trying to reach
<JCaesar>
MikeFair: but the gateway already does that.
<JCaesar>
what do you want exta?
<JCaesar>
(https is a problem, btw.)
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<MikeFair>
It could be; so just to confirm; if I take my domain, which has a dnslink TXT record on it; I can put the IP/Port of any IPFS Gateway out there and when I use my browser to ask for domain.dom and it sends that request straight to the Gateway; the Gateway won't say "that servername isn't here" it will try and resolve the dnslink first?
<MikeFair>
yes, I knew https would need certs and only "authorized" IPFS Daemons would be able to serve it
<MikeFair>
Or asked slightly differently; if I send this to an IPFS Gateway port :
<MikeFair>
GET / HTTP/1.1
<MikeFair>
<MikeFair>
Host: tonycode.com
<MikeFair>
and tonycode.com has a dnslink TXT recordl the gateway will resolve it
<MikeFair>
if that's already happening then my bad; it already works that way
<MikeFair>
:)
<AphelionZ>
MikeFair: that's what I'm doing with mrh.io
<AphelionZ>
two DNS records and a running gateway was all I needed
<AphelionZ>
and a jenkins task to monitor it when it barfs and falls over ;)
<MikeFair>
AphelionZ: okay, my bad then. Everything I understood about it required me to submit a URL that was like: gateway.ipfs.dom/ip[fn]s/something
<JCaesar>
you don't even need your own gateway. but yeah, this is already there.
<AphelionZ>
you don't but when the ipfs.io gateway's garbage collection hits...
<AphelionZ>
unless you want to make a recurring task that queries all your URLs but that seems... cheap
<AphelionZ>
i'd rather pay the $10/mo
<JCaesar>
pah, 5, if even.
<MikeFair>
Then you/we could make a "pool.ipfs.io" to serve HTTP content for domains
<MikeFair>
Load it up with lots of gateways
<JCaesar>
MikeFair: gateway.ipfs.io
<MikeFair>
But that's not -community provided_
<MikeFair>
or is it?
<JCaesar>
no
<MikeFair>
I'm interested in seeing an actual decentralized service provision
<MikeFair>
JCaesar: and I believe you can do HTTPS over PubSub
<MikeFair>
I haven't proven it yet; but my early experiments say it should work