<Swedneck>
would be nice if there was any indication that ipns doesn't work, aside from it just not working when you try it
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<jfred[m]>
I have some servers that I'd be able to run ipfs on, and I'd like to take advantage of them to pin any content my local node has pinned. Is there a recommended way to do this? `ipfs-cluster` looks like it's more geared towards the case where all nodes are always on, rather than one going periodically offline
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<JCaesar>
jfred[m]: Oh, yeah, I want something like this, too.
<JCaesar>
I think there is a smartphone app in the making that behaves like that…
<jfred[m]>
I suppose I could just script something with `ipfs-cluster-ctl`
<jfred[m]>
(or heck just use the local API and cluster API directly)
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<shegde4>
In the ipfs implementation, nodes exchange ledger to verify the credit history of the node asking for a block. Does the go/javascript implementation support sending of an entire ledger similar to the ipfs paper ? I find it inefficient to send a ledger which on the face of it I see as sending too much data to request for a small block since we need to do this each time we need a block. In short how are you sending the ledger data over the
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<shegde4>
FYI I am a grad student trying to build a component of ipfs(bitswap) and hope to connect to the global ipfs by the end of summer. This is a self-motivated project by a few of us in the computer science department here
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<tlacaelel[m]>
Whats bitswap. It sounds cool
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<fiatjaf>
shegde4: ledger? credit history?
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<r0kk3rz>
yeah thats bitswappy stuff, im not sure thats currently implemented completely in ipfs
<Steverman>
tlacaelel[m]: if I remember correctly, it's just a protocol to send/receive blocks
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<r0kk3rz>
its a bit more complicated than that
<lgierth>
yeah there's a bit of bookkeeping to keep things fair
<cjd>
Good morning lgierth
<cjd>
how's it going ?
<lgierth>
ohai cjd
<lgierth>
just stepped out of the shower
<lgierth>
so right now, pretty pretty good
<cjd>
cool
<lgierth>
otherwise catching up with what i missed during vacation
<lgierth>
last week at xwiki?
<cjd>
Got a new apartment in Poissy
<lgierth>
mmh!
<cjd>
not exactly, need to work for another few weeks because we're going to do a agreement to leave
<cjd>
as opposed to me simply quitting
<cjd>
one more month
<cjd>
and then unemployment money
<lgierth>
cheers
<cjd>
And cjdns company starting then
<lgierth>
woah!
<lgierth>
congratulations!
<lgierth>
product or consulting?
<cjd>
product hopefully
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<lgierth>
well if you need any license signoffs for my commits, you have them :D
<cjd>
Thanks :)
<lgierth>
exciting
<cjd>
Codebase should stay GPL
<cjd>
"Product" will be managing the payment for VPN
<cjd>
facilitating a cryptocurrency-based VPN market
<cjd>
And then making that market super accessible to ordinary people who can just make an in app purchase on their android device and *bam* VPN
<lgierth>
hah!
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<lgierth>
proof of bandwidth eh?
<lgierth>
proof of forwarding?
<cjd>
likely to piggyback on bitcoin (lightning network) so that I don't need to make a blockchain
<lgierth>
hehe yeah, the stuff is all cool until you have to build it yourself
<cjd>
And I don't really have a *valid* use for a blockchain, and getting shitloads of capital dropped on my feet and great expectations is not exactly the way I want this to grow
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<r0kk3rz>
but surely you need to be buzzword2018 compatible to get funding :)
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<kolonka[m]>
Would it be possible to disperse an arbitrary set of chunks between nodes (ie, without any of them storing a complete block)?
<kolonka[m]>
Say, if I wanted servers 1 and 2 to hold chunks A C E and B D F respectively.
<kolonka[m]>
And be able to serve them, of course.
<kolonka[m]>
Ah, I see r0kk3rz - I've been working with files under the block size until now. Thanks.
<r0kk3rz>
yeah you can make your own structures if you want to split things into tiny chunks
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<kolonka[m]>
nice
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<kolonka[m]>
might collections of blocks (and object) also be considered a block r0kk3rz?
<kolonka[m]>
an*
<r0kk3rz>
im not sure what you mean
<kolonka[m]>
never mind actually, this article covers that too
<kolonka[m]>
>an object, on the other hand, refers to a block that follows the merkledag protobuf data format
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<kolonka[m]>
just trying to get myself familiar with the terminology
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<lgierth>
`ipfs add` chunks any files into smaller blocks by default anyway
<lgierth>
256KB blocks to be precise
<kolonka[m]>
right
<lgierth>
that's unixfs then, a thin data structure on top of object/merkledag/dag-pb
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<kolonka[m]>
would a node be able to serve those chunks with the same ease that they could serve the entire file if they had it, then?
<kolonka[m]>
say, if they didn't have the full object, would those chunks still be contained with the same broader object hash, to use if someone searched the network for that
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<r0kk3rz>
yep, ipfs works with blocks anyway
<kolonka[m]>
since searching by the chunk hash isn't feasible, but storing the whole thing isn't desired
<kolonka[m]>
great
<kolonka[m]>
as i'm actually learning about ipfs, it's even more powerful than i'd figured
<kolonka[m]>
i'm going to have fun with this
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<lgierth>
yeah data transfer is purely concerned with blocks
<lgierth>
we've always been very careful about drawing good abstraction lines
<kolonka[m]>
so i wouldn't have to do anything hacky then, lovely
<lgierth>
you'll probably also find `ipfs object patch` useful
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<Sri__>
Is there an efficient way of transferring metadata like the ledger info on the network ? suppose I intend to request a single block would the metadata not be too much ?
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<Swedneck>
does dnslink ipns suffer the same slowness as peer ID ipns?
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<r0kk3rz>
they are the same i thought
<lgierth>
Swedneck: it depends on what you put into the dnslink record
<lgierth>
if you put an /ipns record in there, yes it'll have the same issues
<lgierth>
an /ipfs path won't
<Swedneck>
i've put an ipfs path, but it's still really slow and images don't load
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<Swedneck>
it's weird 'cause it loads fine on my local gateway
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<lgierth>
does it load fine with the dnslink locally too?
<lgierth>
then it's probably simply a connectivity issue
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<lgierth>
either your router's NAT is nasty, or your router can't handle the load of ipfs's many tcp connections
<lgierth>
(we're improving on both fronts)
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<Swedneck>
yeah it looks fine locally no matter what i do
<Swedneck>
i don't have a router currently though, connected directly to my ISP
<Swedneck>
well i have a "modem" and a switch actuallt
<lgierth>
interesting
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<lgierth>
so there's no NAT whatsoever and ipfs is listenibng directly on a public IP?
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<Swedneck>
i'm not sure, i think there's a layer of NAT
<Swedneck>
i can get a public IP though, lemme try
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<lgierth>
so, when you're behind NAT, ipfs currently only tries NAT-PMP and uPnP to open ports
<lgierth>
if you don't have that, it also tries to open a port by connecting out, and then advertising that outgoing port for others to connect through
<lgierth>
in the close future we'll also have a smarter circuit relay where others can connect to you through a connection that you have to a relay node
<lgierth>
it sounds like your situation is quite unique eh?
<Swedneck>
yeah my router shat the bed and died, haven't been able to get a new one yet
<Swedneck>
just gotta wait for a public IP now i guess
<Swedneck>
there we go, aaaand it's still loading slowly
<Swedneck>
and images fail to load
<lgierth>
mh but it loads? weird
<lgierth>
maybe put your ipfs daemon on port 443 or so? :D
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<Swedneck>
oh hey now it loads the images, after i restarted the daemon
<Swedneck>
really really really slowly though
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<Swedneck>
but it failed to load 2 images
<lgierth>
might be timeouts
<Swedneck>
yeah
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<Swedneck>
:think
<Swedneck>
it works now
<lgierth>
if you want file an issue in ipfs/go-ipfs with a detailed description of your connection setup
<lgierth>
we want to get it really good for all edge cases, and end-user internet is often WEIRD
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<Swedneck>
lemme just get a nonpublic IP again first to make sure it's actually that
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<Swedneck>
hmm, i switched back to nonpublic ip, and it still works
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<lgierth>
:]
<lgierth>
> internet is often WEIRD
<Swedneck>
honestly i'm just convinced networking is wires and magic