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kompowiec2[m] >
hey, does exists some search engine for IPFS?
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kompowiec2[m] >
or link catalog?
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kompowiec2[m] >
wow thank you
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Swedneck >
i just searched "ipfs search" on ddg lol
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mikeal >
it notes that "Merkledag/Protobuf (legacy)"
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mikeal >
what does "legacy" mean?
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mikeal >
and what implementation would supersede it?
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mikeal >
it
*looks* like it was replaced by cbor, since that is noted as the default
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mikeal >
but they don't really do the same thing
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lgierth >
mikeal: merkledag aka dag-pb was the very first data structure, pre-ipld -- it's the `ipfs object` datastructure (links+data), and unixfs is built on top of that
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mikeal >
right, it's still in use, which is why i'm confused by the term "legacy" in this context
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lgierth >
dag-pb is still there and powering unixfs, but there's a desire to replace it with a unixfs-v2
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mikeal >
ok, would unixfs-v2 be built on a new dag implementation?
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lgierth >
does legacy imply deprecation and having-moved-away-from-it too much? i wrote that table and couldn't come with a better word
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mikeal >
and will that dag replace dag-pb?
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lgierth >
probably not on a new dag
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lgierth >
dag is generally links+data
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lgierth >
while most ipld formats have links-in-data
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mikeal >
legacy implies there is a new thing you should use instead
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lgierth >
well i'm open to suggestions :):) not a native speaker
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lemmi >
call it stable. thanks to debian it has exactly the taste you are probably after :)
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mikeal >
or just nothing, it's essentially the same status as the rest of them
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mikeal >
this table isn't specific to unixfs, so nothing that it powers the soon-to-be old unixfs isn't all that relevant
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lgierth >
ok i'll also try to find a good link for unixfs-v1
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mikeal >
i read somewhere that the IPFS and js-ipfs meeting are recorded
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mikeal >
are they actually published somewhere?
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mikeal >
question about the ipld interface
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mikeal >
the links interface, it requires that all links are returned in a single array
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mikeal >
i have a dataset where the links for a single level won't fit in memory
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mikeal >
i'm currently building this on dag-pb and i'm just implementing my own sharding/fanout
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mikeal >
but i was considering writing a new ipld format to handle it
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mikeal >
but this is sort of a blocker, even if i implement the sharding internally i have to return all the links as a single array at some point
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lgierth >
directory sharding / hamt
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lgierth >
we had the same problem for wikipedia and npm
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mikeal >
ya, i've seen that
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lgierth >
(ah, npm-on-ipfs also just uses go-ipfs)
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lgierth >
the api can stream responses, and we've been meaning to add that to the cli as well
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mikeal >
for now i'll just keep plugging away on this dag-pb approach
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mikeal >
i need to instrument a bulk write interface anyway, without it the writes are too slow to actually work
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lgierth >
the good thing about the built-in sharding is that the path resolver and `ipfs ls` understand it ;)
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mikeal >
i'm putting all the gharchive data into ipfs, with MFS it eventually takes longer than an hour to add an hour of data :)
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lgierth >
ooh that stinks
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mikeal >
bulk writes solve a big part of the problem, sharding solves another
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mikeal >
in particular, i have sharding that detects timestamps and shards them differently than other strings
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lgierth >
tried --offline and Datastore.NoSync?
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mikeal >
because it's quite efficient
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lgierth >
riight. yeah that makes sense i guess
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lgierth >
and try the badger datastore
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lgierth >
(--offline is to prevent publishing provider records from being a bottleneck)
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mikeal >
i've spent a lot of time with npm data too, and this is significantly harder on IPFS :)
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mikeal >
top level directory is millions of entries
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lgierth >
english wikipedia is the best we've gotten so far
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mikeal >
every hour of data is hundreds of thousands of small blocks written deep into the tree
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lgierth >
do you want something with NVMe storage?
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lgierth >
i got this idle server
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mikeal >
eventually
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mikeal >
i've gotta finish this storage method first
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mikeal >
should be done some time this week
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mikeal >
then i'll test it by putting all of 2018 into it
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lgierth >
is this basically a webhook block per event?
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mikeal >
it's about 1/2 TB of gzipped JSON
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mikeal >
for the full archive
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mikeal >
but it's increasing in size exponentially
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mikeal >
new hours this month are almost 100megs each
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mikeal >
i'm storing each JSON object as a gzipped buffer to keep the storage down
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lgierth >
so we meet again, ilya grigorik
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lgierth >
mikeal: does the gzipping still let you view it through ipfs.io and other gateways?
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mikeal >
then stored /:owner/:repo/:timestamp and /:author/:timestamp
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mikeal >
it just looks like a binary blob
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mikeal >
cbor is like 3.5x bigger
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mikeal >
i ran a quick test to verify :)
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mikeal >
actually, it's 3x bigger :)
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lgierth >
have you encountered stuff >256KiB yet?
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mikeal >
i'm not only concerned about storage in IPFS
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mikeal >
i need to pull a repo's dataset into the browser at some point, so i prefer it to be smaller
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mikeal >
@lgierth nope, not yet
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mikeal >
I doubt there are any objects that big, especially after gzipping
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mikeal >
the push events are the largest
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mikeal >
and i've never seen one that big
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mikeal >
@lgierth I'm Mikeal Rogers, we've met before I think :)
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mikeal >
you going to be in Berlin?
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lgierth >
i know who you are but i'm not sure we've met :):)
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lgierth >
i live in berlin in fact!
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lgierth >
definitely gonna be here for the meetings
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mikeal >
hrm... were you at any of the JSConf's or CSVConf or Data Terra Nemo?
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lgierth >
oh we might have met at DTN
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lgierth >
that'd 3 years ago right?
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lgierth >
that's when my ipfs journey started
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mikeal >
awesome :)
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lgierth >
when&where
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lgierth >
i fixed the wifi at the venue with jbenet
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mikeal >
that was a good event
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mikeal >
i'm been trying to convince Paolo to run another one
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lgierth >
louisc in #dat has been pretty active in berlin
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malaclyps >
if anyone here was from IPFS/Protocol Labs and was at Mozilla party last week, say hi from me -- I'm Danny from EFF, and I really wanted to talk to them, but just at the moment they came over, I heard that my laptop bag had disappeared!
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malaclyps >
i found it at security, but missed them!
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lgierth >
ah hey danny o/ i wasn't there but we met in january - i'm lars, we went from EFF to IA friday lunch together
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malaclyps >
hey lars! i'm in Brussels right now, fighting this dumb copyright directive
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lgierth >
godspeed friend!
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lgierth >
i signed yesterday
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