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<kurain> hello
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<rellla> allwinner, will you get it in the end? is anybody interested in blob updates at all? at least here?
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<oliv3r> mripard_: yeah i saw some updates, but didn't notice anything with that, i'll check lkml for newer stuff that's not in rc5 yet
<oliv3r> rellla: not here :p
<oliv3r> mripard_: anyway, mmap didn't work at all, even after adding an ioctl to call update_display
<topi`> hi guys, is it a good idea to get a Banana pi for running Debian? I mean, does it boot properly and support things like SATA?
<topi`> do I get a 3.18 kernel?
<topi`> there's one banana pi for sale on a local forum for 45 euros, with case
<topi`> so I guess I'll get that
<oliv3r> mripard_: just found https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/2/6/710 which looks like what you mean!
<oliv3r> mripard_: ironically half of the stuff i did in the past weeks too :) but i'll get those patches and give it a test!
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<rellla> oliv3r: it's called "Fass ohne Boden" in german language :(
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<oliv3r> bodemless pit :p
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<topi`> I know the Banana Pi is a shitty board, but it's one of the few that has the "standard" SD slot (not the micro sd one)
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<topi`> as I have a few 64GB standard SD cards lying around with no use whatsoever, better get devices that take them
<oliv3r> topi`: as do the olimex micro boards :)
<topi`> hmm... are they cheap?
<topi`> NiteHawk: good news
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<oliv3r> NiteHawk: the olimex boards are very well supported as the mainline developers all tend to have a few olimex boards :)
<ijc> topi`: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner says Bananapi is supported in Debian Jessie onwards
<oliv3r> hey ian :)
<NiteHawk> i'm still struggling a bit with 3.19.2 - but i was able to boot that customized 3.19.0 just fine
<ijc> oliv3r: morning
<oliv3r> i'm running 4.0-rc5 without problems :)
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<oliv3r> mripard_: wow, going over v5 of the patchset now, this guy really invested some good time in it :) Happy to see :)
<oliv3r> mripard_: thanks for pointing me into that direction, the ssd130x driver seen very little love in a logn time, except for the small return patch a few weeks ago
<oliv3r> i'll go over it too, test it and submit the patch to add ssd1309 support
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<wigyori> morning
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<oliv3r> ijc: hey ian, do you know if in u-boot, when I add one of those EXTRA_OPTIONS to a defconfig, can I still skip the probing via a parameter? Or is it all or nothing? I don't mind having a bigger binary that supports usb, ahci, but i don't want to probe for devices by default (takes to much time)
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<ijc> oliv3r: I'm afraid I don't understand the question. What devices are we talking about?
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<oliv3r> ijc: usb and ahci; they take quite a while to probe for devices
<oliv3r> ijc: so idaelly, i want to disable only the probing bit. If a user for example wants to boot from usb or what not, they can always call ahci scan; or usb scan (i suspect that's what it is, since mmc scan exists and can be used to scan for mmc stuff)
<oliv3r> but by default, alyways boot from mmc/nand (wahtever it is compiled to do) making booting super fast
<ijc> oliv3r: $boot_targets (or whatever it is called) is considered a user serviceable part, so you can set it to which ever set of devices you want to try in whatever order. I think we only actually probe if we come to try to actually boot from a device
<ijc> $boot_targets was the right name
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<oliv3r> ijc: ok thanks; i'll read into that and see if it stops the slow probing of devices
<oliv3r> ijc: ah, okay if i understand correctly, I add boot_targets to my boot.scr and that should probe + boot in that order; well worth a test for sure
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<oliv3r> ijc: doesn't seem to work; looks like i have to disable the device entirly (or hack u-boot ;)
<oliv3r> ijc: basically, as soon as the CONFIG_CMD_USB is enabled to comile the commands (which you need) it automatically adds the scan to the def. environment
<oliv3r> unless i can override the def. env. maybe
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<ijc> oliv3r: I meant for you to set boot_targets in your env, I suspect boot.scr is too late, it'll have already probed each thing.
<ijc> oliv3r: Does it probe usb even without trying to boot from usb? I think that isn't expected...
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<oliv3r> ijc it always probes ahci and usb; i don't know what the default boot order is, i'll find out where i best can set boot_targets before boot.scr (not awesome with the boot env yet)
<ijc> oliv3r: Hrm, I thought Hans had tried to fix that, or maybe I'm think of something else?
<ijc> Possibly it probes usb for potential keyboard if any sort of GFX support is on?
<oliv3r> ijc: i haven't kept up to date with u-boot development, the only thing I know is how to generate he boot.scr and have modified it since :p
<ijc> Worth having a look through "printenv" and seeing if there is a simple thing which could be nopped out
<oliv3r> ijc: that could explain the usb probeing, but what about ahci probing?
<oliv3r> ok sec
<oliv3r> ah obviously i have no env, *** Warning - bad CRC, using default environment
<oliv3r> which is no supprise as i have not set anything up :p
<oliv3r> lets see
<oliv3r> boot_targets is setup correctly by default, mmc0 is first
<oliv3r> not sure why bootcmd_dhcp needs usb start
<ijc> me neither, perhaps to boot from a dongle? NOt sure why though
<ijc> You probably want to clear preboot too
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<oliv3r> i think most of thi swill all be fixed by having my own environment instead of the default
<oliv3r> so i suppose probing everything from the default is fine
<oliv3r> ijc: so thanks! I think you helped :)
<ijc> no prob
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<libv> so the latest allwinner binaries are fully stripped.
<plaes> :)
<libv> absolutely amazing.
<libv> they seem to be deliberately making things worse every time
<plaes> "update library to fix some issue"
<plaes> fun
<Wizzup> strip --strip-all --strip-gpl
<libv> Wizzup: hehe
<plaes> Wizzup: s/gpl/lgpl
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<Wizzup> --strip-gpl implies --strip-lgplx --strip-gplv2 --strip-gplv3
<libv> --strip-history --strip-peoples-memories --strip-google-references
<Wizzup> hehe
<plaes> --enable-eff-u
<plaes> or --with-f-u
<libv> in any case, how can anyone still claim that they are not doing this deliberately?
<libv> how does one link to this library anyway?
<plaes> I just wanted to ask that :)
<plaes> ah.. objdump -T foo.so
<RSpliet> gheh, I wonder what an Allwinner bachelor party would look like
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<plaes> can't wait for radare2 support
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<libv> oh, right, readelf -s shows some high level functions.
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<jemk> and .text hasn't changed (except some jumps), so you can simply take the old symtab and substract the offset between old and new .text
<libv> i just found the code to H264BuildDefList
<plaes> :)
<plaes> another nail in the coffin
<jemk> and .text hasn't changed (except some jumps), so you can simply take the old symtab and substract the offset between old and new .text
<jemk> ...
<jemk> i hate my irc client
<libv> jemk: yeah, by the time you had written that, i had already found that code
<libv> jemk: how did you notice that the .text section did not change?
<libv> what tool or objdump/readelf arguments did you use?
<jemk> libv: I guessed because of same size and bindiffed it
<jemk> some words int the first part changed, these are jumps in disassembly
<jemk> but the rest is identical
<libv> with me, there is a difference between the offsets of the two ./_fini and the two _init/.init
<libv> oh, .plt
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<libv> hrm
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<libv> how about me growing a brain and then running strip myself on the old binary]
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<plaes> :D
<ssvb> libv: sigh, allwinner is acting as a silly kid, who is trying to get off the hook after getting caught doing something bad
<ssvb> this looks really ridiculous
<ssvb> I would be more in favor of applying a kind of "don't ask, don't tell" policy here, but allwinner is trying very hard to dig its own grave :(
<libv> ssvb: it is completely ridiculous and it is becoming very very hard to claim that allwinner simply does not understand things
<iamfrankenstein> Hello everyone, I have a question, I have a Q88 tablet that doesn't want to be reflashed trough USB (current image is broken). Is it possible to use JTAG to pull and push an image? I have a Q88 that does work so is it possible to dump the internal memory? Can i use OpenOCD for this? (i read something about address limit beyound 2gb) ( i don't expect step by step instructions, just want to know if its in theory possible).
<libv> ssvb: as i said earlier, i gave them some public crap in august to get their attention, and then tried to work with them on the bigger issue(s) in the back
<libv> iamfrankenstein: new device howto
<iamfrankenstein> ow Q88 is a Allwinner A13 tablet
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<libv> ssvb: their kernel with binaries stripped was the big clue for me that they did not want to be helpful
<libv> allwinner has been piling things up since then.
<libv> anyone who still wishes to defend allwinner today is intellectually dishonest, or, a liar.
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<plaes> libv: or paid by allwinner ;)
<libv> plaes: both are not mutually exclusive :p
<libv> i would change the or to and
<ssvb> libv: there are certain things, which can't be easily undone and I would be kind of satisfied to see changes for the better at least with the new stuff from now on
<libv> ssvb: definitely
<libv> ssvb: but allwinner had been given a route for improvement by many people many times over
<libv> instead, they just dig themselves in deeper
<ssvb> admittedly, they are doing all this crazy stuff after being cornered
<ssvb> and learning a wrong lesson
<libv> or are just utterly unwilling to learn
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<plaes> well, acquaintance of mine said "copyright in china means right to copy.."
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<mripard_> oliv3r: not willing to understand how something works is usually not a very good way to fix an issue.
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<oliv3r> mripard_: wow! not so negagive :( i am very willing amd i will for sure, just not enough hours in a day more pressi g matters first :(
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<mripard_> oliv3r: there's absolutely no need for a ioctl to call update_display
<mripard_> mmap or not
<mripard_> the page mapped is setup to generate page faults whenever someone accesses it
<mripard_> and this is how the kernel knows that you wrote something to your framebuffer
<mripard_> but I already told you that yesterday.
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<wens> [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/sb c
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<wens> oops
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<cooper__> Just a quick quesJust a quick question about http://linux-sunxi.org/DDR_Calibration - do I really need *that* u-boot, or will mainline u-boot work just as well?
<ssvb> Cooper__: you can use any u-boot, but the mainline u-boot is preferable
<cooper__> Excellent.
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* ssvb still needs to update the wiki
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<cooper__> In board/sunxi I have both dram_sun4i_auto.c and dram_sun5i_auto.c - should I edit both the same way simultaneously, or only one of them?
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<cooper__> There's also a value printed for 'dcdc3_vol' which I can't find anywhere.
<ssvb> Cooper__: I have updated the instructions here - http://linux-sunxi.org/A10_DRAM_Controller_Calibration#The_bootloader
<ssvb> you don't need to edit the dram_sun4i_auto.c and dram_sun5i_auto.c files, these settings should go to defconfig files
<ssvb> only the dcdc3 voltage should be patched in the code
<ssvb> Cooper__: as usual, ping me if you have additional questions
<cooper__> Will do. Thanks.
<mripard_> ssvb: we were discussing about kernelci.org yesterday (the automated boot farm) with wens and tyler-baker about running your cpufreq test tool, would that make sense to you?
<ssvb> mripard_: the voltage tolerance seems to be device specific and I'm not sure if it makes sense to run it more than once on that farm
<ssvb> other than catching the cases of setting obviously incorrect voltages via some regressions in the kernel
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<cooper__> ssvb: About that zq value, how do you go from a zq of "0x3B" to a u-boot defconfig value of "17688576"?
<ssvb> mripard_: I also still need to rewrite this test program in C (for easier deployment and use), because I have already isolated the critical libjpeg-turbo part, which tends to fail
<cooper__> ssvb: And more to the point, when atsampson's table says "dram_zq = 0x29 (0x1991800)", what value should I place in the setting?
<ssvb> Cooper__: that's a good question, I'll write some notes about it
<tyler-baker> ssvb, if you rewrite it in C that would be excellent :)
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<mripard_> ssvb: it's all about catching regressions ;)
<mripard_> and if you actually have some ideas of meaningful tests to run on that farm, I'm all ears
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<ssvb> mripard_: ok, I'll look into it
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<cooper__> ssvb: While you write notes about that zq setting, could you, for now, provide me with the value to get that 0x29 setting?
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<ssvb> Cooper__: you can use either 0x29 directly or 0x1991800
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<ssvb> Cooper__: added more information about the ZQ parameter - http://linux-sunxi.org/A10_DRAM_Controller_Calibration#Finding_good_impedance_settings
<Skylark> gak. A20 clock outputs are open drain - why.
<Skylark> (is there a software way around that?)
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<wens> they are?
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<Lannig> Hi folks
<Lannig> I'm coming here from the wiki which is a tremendous source of information on A23 (which is what I'm into right now)
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<Lannig> I have a question that might be borderline to the topic since it relates to Android firmwares, but somehow I suspect that this subject might be relevant to Linux implementations as well
<Lannig> May I fire?
<Skylark> wens: yup! i learned the very hard way. now i have to graft some 0402 2k resistors on the pcb
<Skylark> wens: the cubietruck, which is the only other user of this that i know of, has a pull on that pin - i didn't notice it, since it was on a different page
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<oliv3r> mripard_: you did tell me that, after i tried it and experimented. reason i went ioctl route was because the mmapping was broken and not working duh :p
<wens> Skylark: hmm, datasheet doesn't say
<Skylark> you're totally right on that one :-(
<Skylark> most CPUs i've implemented before had push-pull clock outputs
<oliv3r> mripard_: also quite onviously i cant change the dispkay to a grayscale o e or anything. im stuck with the hardware that we have :(
<wens> Skylark: i don't know, i would've thought all the PIO pins are tri-phase push-pull
<mripard_> oliv3r: so, if mmap doesn't work on a driver, that must be because the memory management code is broken?
<mripard_> Lannig: shoot
<oliv3r> mripard_: not at all, but i had no idea what was going on and it was a 4 line test :p
<Lannig> OK I'll shoot: until recently all sunxi firmwares had the h/w config stored into a script.bin/script0.bin in the bootloader partition
<Lannig> This file is gone from recent KK firmwares. Doing string search on Phoenixsuit images show that it's *still* there, but where?
<oliv3r> it was a quick brainfart is all inspired by the update dis-lay in the write function is all. no evil intentions ;)
<Skylark> wens: when you switch it to the special function mode, it seems to only drive 0, never 1 - if i enable the internal pullup it does a bit for me, but not high enough so it needs some external pull too
<oliv3r> btw why did you refer to directfb? i didnt mention the framework i am using (efl/evas)
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<oliv3r> anyhow thomas's stuff works great so thats cool
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<Patukas> hi
<mripard_> oliv3r: because that's what was talking about in the mail you replied to
<oliv3r> and i'll just patch evas's fb handling code, its not that much to do
<oliv3r> mripard_: ah right, i was thinking all fb users actually
<oliv3r> but its cool, not a huge issue for me
<oliv3r> anyway, bed time! bye bye
<mripard_> Lannig: no idea, sorry :/
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<Lannig> Ok thanks for reading me anyway. I'll keep searching... :-/
<mripard_> maybe wens will know
<Patukas> hi, i have a cubietruck with i2s playback works, but i need the capture too. Anyone knows a modified drivers with i2s capture enable?
<Lannig> I've spend an insane amount of time trying to reverse-engineer a boot SD created by Phoenixcard but I can't relate this to the NAND partition structure yet
<ssvb> Lannig: it is still possible to read the script.bin data from RAM - https://github.com/linux-sunxi/sunxi-tools/blob/master/script_extractor.c
<ssvb> assuming that your device is rooted
<Lannig> ssvb: wow seems promising thanks (yet it is)
<wens> Skylark: afaik the internal pull-up/down resistors are quite weak
<Lannig> Seems that the Allwinner folks want to make their firmwares more and more obscure :-/
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<Skylark> wens: agreed, they seem fairly flimsy. oh well - i just reworked a 2.2k onto thta net and it helped... time for another 2.2k
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<Lannig> bye for now, thanks for the tip
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<Patukas> anyone knows a i2s driver with capture working?
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