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<huehner>
Hi, i am thinking on starting a A64 page on the wiki based on some info i found in the olimex github
<huehner>
any hints on how to do that? or can i just go ahead and fill in parts which seems clear and leave the rest open?
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<vishnup>
huehner: yes, you can create a page for it.
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<libv>
huehner: i am not too happy with that table, but i currently know no better solution
<libv>
huehner: extend it some more until it really becomes way too absurd :)
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<wens>
merrii finally released schematics for a80 optimus
<lemonzest>
got my Banana M3 the other day :)
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<montjoie_>
interesting the a64 datasheet, the emac is the same as h3 but with heavy copy/paste, since dma regsiter take 32bit address
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<montjoie>
and the crypto engine does less functionnality for RSA
<montjoie>
it seems that they forget that a64 is 64bit
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<libv>
wens: what, already?
<libv>
when did they start shipping that hw, early 2014?
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<wens>
libv: the release date on the wiki is aug 2014
<libv>
ah, yes, google confirms
<libv>
so only 15months
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<libv>
way to go merrii
<wens>
libv: still, it's slow compared to most dev boards, including the non-Allwinner-official ones Merrii makes
<wens>
anyway, very happy to find schematics, now that i'm working on pmic stuff
<vickycq>
lemonzest: I just got a pcDuino8 Uno which is an Allwinner H8
<vickycq>
I can't see the difference between H8 and A83T
<wens>
seems they are the same, though no official confirmation
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<ganbold>
libv: regarding pine64 well said, it is also nice to have full documentation of a64, allwinner doc is not good usually
<libv>
ganbold: pine64 cannot deliver such documentation either
<ganbold>
that was my guess
<libv>
if there are concrete demands though, they should be asked
<wens>
ganbold: you can find a64 doc over on olimex's github
<libv>
but not "provide better documentation than what allwinner provides", as that is impossible
<wens>
seems quite complete, though they always don't include usb otg, dram, prcm stuff
<libv>
if anything, allwinner should be kicked up the arse for that
* ganbold
notes himself, as non-linux person looking through various u-boot, linux sources makes go nuts sometimes
<libv>
ganbold: which is where a good wiki should help
<wens>
imo linux is fairly organized; u-boot is another story, though it's getting better
<wens>
*mainline linux* that is; don't count the vendor tarballs
<libv>
i still fail to understand how a microcontroller developers "nih bootloader
<libv>
" ends up being that popular
<libv>
coreboot has had a device model for a decade
<libv>
the only difference between the two is that one was aimed at x86, and the other was something quick and dirty to get some tiny embedded cores running
<ganbold>
yeah, sometimes hard to find which repo works which is not, but it is probably not the reason
<libv>
it shows, once again, that good code and good design are not that relevant
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<NiteHawk>
libv - the problem is: those usually only become relevant when it's already too late ;)
<libv>
i guess "good enough", and public perception (meant for embedded devices, with embedded devices becoming much less embedded over time, vs PCs)
<libv>
with some of the projects i've worked on, the latter also turns into "who can throw the most shit"
<libv>
even though u-boot now gained a driver model, there still is a lot of stuff in there that only microcontroller developers would do, the way they poke registers for instance
<Inode>
if a wiki page was created for a tablet and named after the mainboard model without a revision number, should it be renamed include the revision number when a newer device is identified that uses the a newer revision of the same mainboard model plus a newer pin-compatible SoC (eg. A33 instead of A23)?
<NiteHawk>
yes, it's a lump of "historically grown" code - and it shows
<libv>
Inode: hrm
<libv>
Inode: Q8H?
<Inode>
Inet-d70
<Inode>
i bought a cheap tablet yesterday
<libv>
Inode: what names would you use? (list both)
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<libv>
please also provide clearer pictures, i cannot recognize anything on those board pictures you made :)
<Inode>
i called the page for an A23 based tablet i have Inet-d70... the new A33 tablet has INET-D70-REV06 silkscreened on the mainboard
<libv>
and the older revision is?
<Inode>
INET-D70-REV03
<libv>
Inode: for now, i would suggest Inet-d70-a33
<libv>
wait and see what else gets reported
<libv>
as it could be that rev6 also ships with a23
<libv>
although it is not likely, as a33 is a drop in replacement that might now be just as cheap as the a23
<Inode>
should the old one be renamed to Inet-d70-a23 too?
<libv>
Inode: i would keep the name for now
<libv>
but mention the a33 variant in the preamble and under See Also
<Inode>
ok
<libv>
if more datapoints become available, a rename might become necessary
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<wens>
Inode: afaik hans has been gathering various q8 tablets
<libv>
wens: but has not documented a single one of them
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<plaes>
well, at least he's pushing out some code
<libv>
but who for, i am not sure
<libv>
since it's only rarely possible to match up the code with the actual device
<plaes>
yea
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