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<Kamilion> Hm, on my SOIC flasher project, what is a better choice to use as a platform to run 'flashrom' from, the H2, H3, or H5? Looking at the smaller HDMIless orange pi range.
<Kamilion> i've been using an original "ODROID-C" with the S805 (think it's referred to as the C1 now) for a long time, think it's about time to move to something smaller.
<Kamilion> I was thinking about the C0 board, but at $28/ea I figured the orange pis would be a better deal.
<Kamilion> I really like the Orange Pi Lite 2, but I've had them sidelined for months waiting for mainline
<smaeul> are you planning to do any hardware modifications, like soldering pins or SPI flash to boot from?
<smaeul> generally h2/h3 boards are going to be a bit cheaper, and 64-bit doesn't mean much for flashrom
<Kamilion> That explain a bit better?
<Kamilion> just header, and a pomona soic clip
<Kamilion> ye olde libreboot method
<Kamilion> that's an ESP32 board; but I'm having troubles getting various vendor parts unlocked/writable
<Kamilion> works on the odroid
<Kamilion> was more curious how well the SPI bus performance was doing at the moment between the H2+/H3 and the H5, which seems to have gotten devicetree entries added much later.
<Kamilion> and if I was gonna run into anything major with the H5 that I wouldn't on the H2+/H3
<smaeul> I've found SPI on the H5 very solid, much more reliable than e.g. a raspi
<Kamilion> toss up between the $15 H5
<Kamilion> and the $10 H2+
<smaeul> I haven't personally used SPI on an H3 board, but I'm sure several people in this channel have (likely more than H5)
<smaeul> the only issues I'm aware of relate to large transfers with DMA, which isn't relevant to flashrom
<Kamilion> on which?
<Kamilion> large DMAs on H3?
<Kamilion> my *primary* use is flashrom, but I goof off with linux SBCs all the time
<Kamilion> and I've got a whole mess of ESP32s I also want to play with... heheh
<Kamilion> so if the H5 doesn't have the DMA issue, I'll definitely jump on that
<smaeul> IIRC the h3/h5 have the exact same SPI controller
<Kamilion> and what's a large transfer? 64Mbyte? Streaming data at 20Mbit-40Mbit?
<smaeul> sorry, it's been a long time since the issue was discussed, I don't remember
<Kamilion> no worries
<Kamilion> don't waste your cycles lookin' it up for me either, it's enough that I know it's existant
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<Kamilion> i'll go with the Orange Pi Zero Plus / H5 / 512MB then, since I'd prefer the gigabit ethernet MAC. I think the only thing I lose is the potential of the PoE breakout on the H2+ board.
<smaeul> it's not real PoE anyway. it's just "5v over UTP"
<Kamilion> yeah
<Kamilion> Thanks a bunch. I was leaning towards the headless H5 anyway.
<smaeul> the zero+ is really nice board :)
<Kamilion> i really like my Orange Pi Lite 2 boards -- but H6 is "NO" all the way down http://linux-sunxi.org/Mainlining_Effort LMFAO
<Kamilion> otherwise I would have just ordered more of them
<Kamilion> can always find a use for a USB3 host *chuckles*
<smaeul> zero+ comes with 2MiB flash, which probably isn't enough to run your SOIC flasher project out of, but you could replace with a bigger chip
<Kamilion> no need, uboot's enough
<Kamilion> it suppors wireless, right?
<Kamilion> I can get my kernel and initramfs from the network.
<Kamilion> worse case; mount a microsd.
<smaeul> the board supports wireless, yes, but u-boot doesn't
<Kamilion> the BIOS images are 16MiB and 32MiB, and I've got half a gigabyte of 'em, so unless I stuck some fancy 8SOIC NAND package in, I'd need more storage anyhow.
<Kamilion> Aw.
<Kamilion> Oh well, I'll put some samsung or sandisk microsds in the shopping cart then.
<Kamilion> offhand, you know the current consumption of a headless H5?
<Kamilion> figure somewhere below 500mA since I've seen people playing with them via OTG
<smaeul> you could boot usb or ethernet though -- I like to have a usb<->sata adapter with a cheap ssd for usecases with a lot of disk access
<smaeul> Kamilion: idle consumption should be around 200mA
<Kamilion> yeah, that's one of my usecases for the H6, we wipe a lot of disks here
<Kamilion> and I want to use the UASP + H6 to do it faster and cheaper
<Kamilion> ATA Secure Erase and Mass Storage Class don't get along :<
<Kamilion> i know I don't need a USB3 host to use a UASP device though.
<Kamilion> just means I can toss a bunch of drives behind a usb3 hub and blow 'em all away
<Kamilion> good deal if you get 'em without power adapter.
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<Kamilion> Sweet, just ordered five of the H5 0+ boards. Thanks, smaeul.
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<friendofafriend> Kamilion: Moneybags over here. From Ali?
<wens> Kamilion: AFAIK there's only one chip that does UASP TRIM passthrough correctly
<Kamilion> wens: not worried about TRIM; ATA Secure Erase is a different mechanism entirely.
<Kamilion> and I'm not sure many spinners support TRIM anyhow. Most of what we're wiping is 2.5" 250GB/500GB/800GB and 3.5" 1/2/4TB SATA drives.
<Kamilion> friendofafriend: yes, from ali. *grumbles about adventures with alipay hating his debit card*
<friendofafriend> Was shipping as much as the board, Kamilion?
<Kamilion> thinking about buying some of the lichee nano w kits too, so I have one or two on hand, see if I can get it shrunk that far.
<Kamilion> friendofafriend: nope, epacket, little less than half the price of a single board.
<friendofafriend> Hey, that's dope. Wanna link the board?
<Kamilion> already did
<Kamilion> but there's the link again.
<friendofafriend> I've seen people griping about that board, I think. That the manufacturer's image causes it to overheat somehow.
<friendofafriend> I think Armbian has a fix for that particular issue.
<Kamilion> noted; I'll slap a copper sink on it, and I'll be rolling my own image off openwrt's builder anyhow.
<Kamilion> mainline kernel, whenever possible.
<Kamilion> aaaaand now I have some lichee pi nanoFWs on the way too.
<Kamilion> that's gonna be a fun kconfig (not)
<Kamilion> eh, there's always http://u-root.tk/ if I don't care about boot time.
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<Jetfire> Plaes: I actually need to change some dram values and get fel access to some A20 hardware.
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<Jetfire> plaes: I'm not sure tbh, I'm helping out someone else with a project, but I can't seem to compile anything on my system and will have to do a fresh install
<plaes> there's also a binary of this file under bin directory
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<Jetfire> plaes: Thanks. I'm not sure if that will help or not. I need to change the dram and register values and uboot in the fes1.bin img we have now, so I need to make the changes and repack it, but will have to try another build of linux as this one is not compatible.
<plaes> well, if you write this file to sd-card and reset the device, it either starts in fel mode or not
<plaes> simple check
<Jetfire> plaes: ok, great, thanks for the info/help. That's at least a start.
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<BenG83> based on Yong´s work for the parallel CSI driver, is a MIPI CSI driver a completely new effort or can some of the work be reused/extended?
<willmore> Kamilion, have you used one of those USB3<>SATA converters from ali that yo link to?
<willmore> I've had trouble with such converters talking to ODDs, but that one says that they specifically support them. I'd love to see that verified before I buy a bunch. :)
<BenG83> also does anyone know if the MIPI-CSI block is some 3rd party IP? like the Cadence CSI interface?
<plaes> I guess you can check by comparing register layouts
<BenG83> I have to dig up the BSP driver for that since MIPI-CSI is not documented in the datasheets I guess
<BenG83> an hope it´s not obfuscated :)
<plaes> csi is now merged?
<BenG83> I don´t think so
<plaes> I saw that patches went out few days ago
<BenG83> I was just wondering how much work it is to extend the parallel CSI driver
<BenG83> or if MIPI-CSI has to be done from scratch
<BenG83> seeing that parallel CSI took 1.5 years
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<BenG83> is there a V3/S3 BSP online somewhere?
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<duncan^> hmm.. does anyone know anything about these lichee pi zero boards?
<duncan^> There appears to be the original lichee pi zero which is sold on taobao etc. This is a plug-in module to a bigger board with breakouts etc
<duncan^> But on Aliexpress there is a board being sold under the name which is the same, except it's on one board, and the headphone jack and the cap are switched round
<duncan^> so I guess there are two possiblities; it's a direct copy of the board but made cheaper on account of it on a single board, or it's a new revision of the board on a single board.
<duncan^> I guess they're not mutually exclusive possibilities either
<plaes> no clue, I actually backed them, but never received my stuff :S
<BenG> I have three of the original ones
<BenG> they more or less work as intended
<BenG> I got mine from the indiegogo campaign
<plaes> yeah, I backed the same campaign
<plaes> but still waiting for my HW :)
<BenG> I backed the wifi package
<plaes> one of them was with the LVDS screen
<BenG> so I got the board plus the little wifi modules
<plaes> ah yeah..
<plaes> 1) ZeroW
<plaes> 2) ZeroW + LVDS LCD suit
<plaes> still waiting :S
<plaes> looks good :P
<BenG> thanks to icenowy, it also works pretty good
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<duncan^> The AliExpress Lichee Pi Zero ^
<duncan^> It also came with a USB-OTG adaptor
<duncan^> I only bought it because it was the easiest way to get hold of a v3s board.
<BenG> yeah that is the new design
<BenG> I´ll get a S3 prototype of the CUBE board
<BenG> which is more or less the new V3(s)
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<duncan^> What is the new CUBE board? Does it have v3s?
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<BenG> it has S2
<BenG> *S3
<BenG> which is basically V3s in a smaller package and more RAM internally
<BenG> CUBE is a prototype for a camera board
<BenG> that PINE might release if there is interest
<BenG> it was originally using V3s but now has an S3
<BenG> but should be fully V3(s) compatible
<BenG> I didnt see any differences from the datasheets really
<BenG> wrt memory map and other details
<BenG> just another package and more RAM
<BenG> and the GMAC interface is routed to pins
<plaes> ah. PoP means Package on package
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<BenG> Tl posted a photo yesterday of a prototype https://app.box.com/s/b6a58aq4dnw8p6ewn6yj6uwy9qmkmfj7
<plaes> o_O
<plaes> all I would need is something with HDMI + eMMC + PoE ethernet + 2G RAM :)
<BenG> I think he said he could make a S3 breakout
<BenG> if people are interested/need one
<BenG> in the Feather form factor
<plaes> oh, nice
<plaes> yeah
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<plaes> ah.. I need few USBs too :S
<BenG> S3 has only one OTG port afaik
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<duncan^> It has USB host which is pretty nice compared to the V3S
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<duncan^> although more SPI and more I2C would be really nice..
<BenG> it has three I2C
<BenG> and two SPI
<BenG> ah wait
<BenG> one SPI and three I2C
<duncan^> It says it has 2 TWI like the V3S
<BenG> just making myself a pinout table for S3
<duncan^> I'm really confused :/
<BenG> the MIPI interface has a TWI too
<BenG> not sure if that can be used independently
<duncan^> OK, I see what you mean now.
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<karlp> Kamilion: the wireless on the zero plus is full of fail unfortunately. it sort of works with the orangepi provided ubuntu image, but the one linked from http://linux-sunxi.org/Wifi#RTL8189FTV is pretty failful.
<karlp> hauke (iirc) in openwrt world tried it there too, and it's completely incompatible with some expected api usages: https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2018-March/011517.html
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<heatfanjohn> anarsoul: Success! Using your kernel and sightly modified config I got gdm to start and I can now remotely launch X sessions!
<anarsoul|2> heatfanjohn: cool
<anarsoul|2> congrats
<heatfanjohn> I don't know if my modifications to your config were required. I changed your SUN4I-DRM tags from "y" to "m" so I could try to load the modules individually and the resulting kernel worked. It could just be a coincidence.
<heatfanjohn> The only error message I get now is not loading /usr/lib64/dri/sun4i-drm_dri.so and then later Failed to initialize glamor, falling back to sw
<buZz> did you install the modules you compiled after that aswell?
<buZz> make modules_install
<buZz> (just a hunch)
<heatfanjohn> I did discover that U-Boot does not like the symbolic link from /boot/dtb to the required dtb directory to be an absolute link ... U-Boot started throwing all sorts of invalid file system errors
<heatfanjohn> buZz: I might have missed doing a `make modules`
<heatfanjohn> I redo that
<buZz> heatfanjohn: ah :) that could be it aswell
<buZz> make modules modules_install
<buZz> i think modules_install always pull in 'modules' aswell
<BenG> should I make new pages/columns for S3 or just put everything under V3s ?
<BenG> in the wiki
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<heatfanjohn> I found a Mesa patch that says sun4i-drm_dri.so is a part of Mesa and was committed in 17.2 - I don't understand why this so isn't in package mesa-dri-drivers
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<anarsoul|2> heatfanjohn: it's not part of mesa
<anarsoul|2> mesa doesn't support hw accell on your platform yet
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<Kamilion> karlp: thanks for the heads up, I'll stick to gigabit.
<karlp> I-d really like them to make one with the ap6212 like they have on someo of their other boards
<karlp> itð's much better supported.
<karlp> can't have it all :)
<karlp> I'd definitely prefer them to just use one wifi chip that worked on all their boards for wifi though, not the current schizophrenci combination of xr819, rtl8189ftv/etv _and_ ap6212 modules
<karlp> or even just one of the well tested/known usb modules, there's enough spare usb host ports unused...
<karlp> annnnyway
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<Kamilion> Eh, I've got lots of ESP32 boards; and someone wrote a kernel driver for 'em less than half a year ago
<Kamilion> and worst case I can just hand it a USB wifi dongle
<Kamilion> I've got a huge amount of minipcie radios, but most of 'em are unlabeled.
<Kamilion> place I work for in california does WEEE processing for european companies; I get a lot of neat "junk" out of it
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<karlp> if I'm just going to have to add wireless to it anyway, I'd rather they didn't put it on the board
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<kilobyte> any idea if A64 (got Pine64 and a Pinebook) is supposed to handle HDMI 1.4 (needed for 2560x1600)?
<anarsoul|2> kilobyte: it works for me in 2560x1440
<anarsoul|2> not sure about HDMI 1.4 though
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<kilobyte> anarsoul|2: the monitor has a DVI connector, dual-link (both 3x4 sets of pins) (and DP, but that's unrelated). Both cables I tried also have pins for dual link on the DVI side, ordinary looking HDMI on the other.
<anarsoul|2> kilobyte: well, I don't have 2560x1600 monitor to test
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<anarsoul|2> my 2560x1440 monitor uses HDMI connector
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<kilobyte> I read that HDMI 1.3 can do up to 2560x1440, 1.4 up to 2560x1600
<anarsoul|2> it says HDMI v1.4
<BenG83> I don't know what it really does, but the BSP driver had a
<BenG83> disp_dvi_compat=1
<BenG83> option in the fex
<BenG83> that makes most HDMI-to-DVI adapters work
<BenG83> if test "${disp_dvi_compat}" = "on"; then
<BenG83> fdt set /soc@01c00000/hdmi@01ee0000 hdmi_hdcp_enable "<0x00000000>"
<BenG83> seems it disables HDCP on DVI links
<anarsoul|2> I don't think we have HDCP in mainline
<BenG83> that was my next question ;)
<BenG83> that goes straight into the libhdmi blob I think
<BenG83> ret = disp_sys_script_get_item("hdmi", "hdmi_hdcp_enable", &value, 1);
<BenG83> }
<BenG83> hdmi_core_set_hdcp_enable(value);
<BenG83> if (1 == ret) {
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<karlp> hrm, duo2 with some norflashsoldered down might be super.
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<kilobyte> farthest I get is text on green lined background (not clear enough to see if it's 1280x800, the monitor's fallback mode) during u-boot, then nothing once the kernel takes over
<kilobyte> not even get-edid works
<kilobyte> HDMI work being really new -- I'm using icenowy's tree atop v4.19.0, is there anything better?
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<anarsoul|2> kilobyte: ask jernej
<kilobyte> sounds good; he's on this channel but it's midnight in his timezone
<anarsoul|2> yeah
<anarsoul|2> so you'll have to wait to ask him
<kilobyte> nothing but blackness on BSP
<kilobyte> (not a regression compared to my other monitors -- they're all 1280x1024 which SoCs I own notoriously hate; this includes not only Allwinners but also Exynos and Mediatek)
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